Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[NoeticSoul]

I’m not a psychiatrist but a licensed one decided he needed to be forcibly given this medication, MOO

I would too at first sight of someone eating their own poo and playing with their willy randomly at my visit!

moo

 

[MiniMoo]

SBM


He unfortunately had five years to clean up and throw away evidence before he was identified.

Yet one crucial piece of evidence WAS found at his home…his gun that matched the bullet at the crime scene, and which he declared he’d never loaned to anyone else.

My opinion but based on the evidence.

Richard Allen said he didn't have a gun that day and that when he did carry one - it always had one bullet.

Some guns haven't been ruled out (inconclusive) and the gun model he used was never used in any of the tests done.

Also, I think an unspent bullet would be very different to a spent bullet and am not sure why fired bullets were used at all unless unspent ones being ejected and put back in the chamber didn't make the cut.

I have no idea about guns and bullets, but I do wonder about the difference between a fired bullet and unspent one and I also question or wonder about the testing that was performed.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Teche]

After removing the one juror last week, how many men vs women are there?

After removing the one juror last week, how many men vs women are there?

Why was the one juror removed? I missed that.

 

[SouthEnd]

finals updates for today: Mullin again and Leazenby

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

Dozens of interviews were lost, according to Mullin’s testimony, though some video was recovered but without audio. Mullin agreed with the attorneys that an interview without audio wouldn’t be very helpful.

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Prosecution cross-examined Mullin. Not only did the police chief deny feeding Weber information about the van, but Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work.


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Gull denied the request to allow Pohl to remotely testify.

Thank you for sharing! The loss of videos is just ridiculous, but there is nothing to be done.

But here we have it, freaking phone records. What's next, AT&T being on in the conspiracy?

All MOO

 

[KSwizzle]

Well I would hope a licensed practicing psychiatrist would be able to use their education and working knowledge to decide whether someone was faking an illness or not, and I have no reason from this trial so far to say this psychiatrist was wrong in their assessment that RA needed to be put on Haldol, I guess it could be a misdiagnosis but once again I’m not a doctor or pyschaitrist, MOO

 

[Inthedetails]

Why was the one juror removed? I missed that.

Family emergency.

jmo

 

[photographer4]

Is this the same video where she called a witness someone straight out of deliverance with a meth mouth? Or is that a different video of hers? Not my opinion - just asking a question.

I have no idea - if she has, I didn't get that far.

 

[SouthEnd]

Why was the one juror removed? I missed that.

It was an alternate juror, family emergency, got excused -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849925884318450163

 

[flashy09]

Why was the one juror removed? I missed that.

A family emergency

 

[MrsWatson]

One of our very own WS members has a signature or a tagline, I forget which member or if its a tag or signature line, but if I recall rightly, it's a quote by Edmond Locard, a French Criminologist who I believe said: "every contact leaves a trace". - here is a link should you wish to learn more: Trace Evidence: Principles

The bullet, imo.

 

[MassGuy]

There’s an argument to be made he was not of sound mind, maybe still isn’t? It’s a fact he was forcibly given anti psychotic drugs after a state psychiatric spent some time with him, and it wasn’t just one injection

Mind you the state is saying he has always been of sound mind so I don’t know go figure, MOO

That’s what those prison confessions come down to. Do you believe he was of sound mind and they are legitimate? Or do you believe he was not of sound mind? The latter has a caveat though, he could not be of sound mind yet still provide details that were true, in which case it wouldn't matter what his mental health condition was.

Allen saying he did it over and over didn’t do it for me, because I do believe he was in a horrible mental state.

That phone call to his mom was incredibly compelling though, as it read like he was of sound mind (very lucid). Reporters in the courtroom confirmed as much.

Allen saying he skipped lunch with his parents, bought a 6 pack, drank 3, went home and bundled up, hit the trails, encountered the girls, planned to rape them, and killed them, does ring true to me. It is possible the got the part where he covered them with sticks from discovery, but that doesn't move the needle for me.

 

[MiniMoo]

Does it matter? Libby, Abby, and Richard Allen (by admission, with witness) are on, or near, the bridge at the time that the girls are kidnapped. This is direct evidence. Eliminate the witnesses who testified to seeing a man (bridge guy or Richard Allen) heading to the bridge that day. They aren't relevant.

We're left with:

• an adult female witness placed Richard Allen on the first platform of Monon bridge
• Richard Allen confirmed that he was on or near the first platform of Monon bridge at that time looking at his phone and fish
• the adult female witness said that Libby and Abby walked past in the opposite direction, towards the bridge, as she walked to her car
• this places Richard Allen and the murdered girls on or near the Monon bridge at the time of the kidnappings

Does it really matter whether the other witnesses saw bridge guy on the trails heading toward the bridge?

Question: Was that the witness that saw someone young with a beautiful face?

 

[photographer4]

Question: Was that the witness that saw someone young with a beautiful face?

SC I think... 'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

 

[photographer4]

SC I think... 'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Saw "feminine eyes"

"Baldwin said that during the interview, Carbaugh said the "bridge guy" had curly hair and "very feminine" eyes." From above link

 

[gremlin444]

Well I would hope a licensed practicing psychiatrist would be able to use their education and working knowledge to decide whether someone was faking an illness or not, and I have no reason from this trial so far to say this psychiatrist was wrong in their assessment that RA needed to be put on Haldol, I guess it could be a misdiagnosis but once again I’m not a doctor or pyschaitrist, MOO

I wish I could find any clarification as to whether the Haldol injections he was given were the immediate action kind or the ones that last 3-4 weeks. Because if he was given the immediate action kind, that can also be given in psychiatric institutions and penal institutions when someone is exhibiting sustained or numerous (and separated only by short periods of time, like every few hours) incidents of violence and aggression.

 

[photographer4]

https://www.wane.com/top-stories/delphi-native-reflects-on-abby-libbys-legacy-in-town/

'Andrew Baldwin also called into question the description of the man Blair said she saw on the bridge not aligning with the “bridge guy” in the photo. Baldwin said Blair told police the man was in his 20s or 30s with brown poofy hair and called the man “boyish looking.”

NOTE: Edited a quote I had initially that didn't include a link. However, I'd like to point out that BB told the court the man she saw was boyish looking. RA has never seemed boyish looking to me. mooo.

Anyhow... we're never going to agree on this case... I'd describe us as a hung jury at this point. LMAO. Sure hope the jury has an easier time of this. mooo

 

[MiniMoo]

SC I think... 'I don't know' | Investigator describes unexplained gap in data from Libby's phone | Day 5 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

So, it must be the puffy hair witness or is it poofy.

I think she is the strongest one as she saw two girls and someone on the bridge, but it doesn't mean it was Richard Allen.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Teche]

It was an alternate juror, family emergency, got excused -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849925884318450163

Thanks.

 

[Spartygirl]

finals updates for today: Mullin again and Leazenby

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-former-fire-chief-recalls-nighttime-search-for-girls-and-lack-of-sightings/

Dozens of interviews were lost, according to Mullin’s testimony, though some video was recovered but without audio. Mullin agreed with the attorneys that an interview without audio wouldn’t be very helpful.

.....

Prosecution cross-examined Mullin. Not only did the police chief deny feeding Weber information about the van, but Mullin stated phone records backed up Weber’s account of driving straight home after work.


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Gull denied the request to allow Pohl to remotely testify.

Good-- I thought if you are subpoenaed, you have to appear in person.
That's the way it has always been, at least in my state.

I did not hear if he was subpoenaed or not, and if his FBI job takes precedence over that and testifying in court.

 

[MiniMoo]

I don't even care what they collected. Nothing they did collect and test linked RA to the scene or the kids. This is shocking imo after Wala testified that he stated:

"Allen then told Wala he covered Abby and Libby’s bodies with tree branches. He said he exited the area by keeping off the trail to not be seen. He said he returned to his vehicle...." -

Link to above: Allen: ‘I laid in wait’ - Carroll County Comet

Aside the lack of substance here, I noticed he didn't say he changed clothes, got rid of what he wore, washed at the creek or with a water bottle etc... he simply returned to his vehicle? And yet... NO EVIDENCE - not dna, not a single shred of transfer evidence could tie this man or that car to the murders?? That is absurd in my opinion!

Supporting link to no DNA ties RA or anyone else to the crime scene: Delphi murder trial: No DNA ties suspect or anyone else to crime scene, expert says

One of our very own WS members has a signature or a tagline, I forget which member or if its a tag or signature line, but if I recall rightly, it's a quote by Edmond Locard, a French Criminologist who I believe said: "every contact leaves a trace". - here is a link should you wish to learn more: Trace Evidence: Principles

What areas could be used off the trail I wonder.

Checking out a van is one thing, but what about the exiting part of that confession.

I want to know where someone could exit off the trail on the North side.

JMO MOO JMT