Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[INfisherman]

I'm thinking it was self-pleasuring, poop smearing, paper eating, Bible wrecking, and toilet-water drinking. And that's all the thought I'm putting into it.

The jury members sure had a tough job handed to them with this case.

jmo

Gotta love the reaction from D team member Auger, who’s had to have seen the video many times already still putting on her show for emphasis to the jury.

JMO

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Good let’s not let in fictional rubbish with absolutely zero proof.

I think they were going to use it to explain the sticks and the blood for Libby at the scene but I personally think they don’t need it. The psychosis is enough to defend against the confessions plus the testimony of people at the scene, lack of bullet testing results, and DNa will be enough. The lost testimony and general LE issues are evident. But we aren’t done yet for me to try and predict how a jury would respond.

 

[justtrish]

Maybe it was the incident with the spork?

Or the singing one..

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Interesting. If I understand this correctly this could be grounds for an appeal.

My question is even if judge Gull allowed the Odinist theory which seems like nonsense to me couldn't that be ineffective counsel and also grounds for appeal?

If so then no matter what there is grounds for appeal.

I have to be missing something because just by the 6th defense could guarantee an appeal in all trials if so inclined. But that is an ethics question.

Correct me please!
Moo

I didn’t see effective counsel but think they have some grounds for appeal should they need it.

 

[BUF]

Sounds like there was nudity.

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Unfortunately we can on speculate on what we have read previously.

No doubt these jurors will be discussing this when excused….as they seem to be allowed to do that.

 

[shonyakay]

Seems he may not have been faking it going by some of their reactions, but that is just my opinion.

Does this mean they won't be made public at all?

The main thing is - the jurors saw them at that is what is most important!

JMO MOO JMT

Possibly. It has been said that he had mental health issues and was given psychotropic drugs at 25.
I have no problem believing or accepting those issues resurfaced after his arrest and confinement. However, that being the case as it may, it doesn't change my opinion on his guilt.

 

[Inthedetails]

This is the most frustrating trial to try and follow- the lack of transparency is bizarre - and not just these videos-
moo

I'm frustrated it's not broadcast too, but I don't think that means there is not transparency. Journalists and the public to have access to the courtroom, so there is transparency.

jmo

 

[INfisherman]

This is the most frustrating trial to try and follow- the lack of transparency is bizarre - and not just these videos-
moo

I do understand from where you’re coming, however, it’s all already been described through testimony, no need to leave a human with no dignity at all or his family for that matter. Just sayin.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm thinking it was self-pleasuring, poop smearing, paper eating, Bible wrecking, and toilet-water drinking. And that's all the thought I'm putting into it.

The jury members sure had a tough job handed to them with this case.

jmo

It will be a disturbing visual memory for the jurors. As were the photos of the victims with their throats slashed open. Can’t be unseen.

jmo

 

[MiniMoo]

Possibly. It has been said that he had mental health issues and was given psychotropic drugs at 25.
I have no problem believing or accepting those issues resurfaced after his arrest and confinement. However, that being the case as it may, it doesn't change my opinion on his guilt.

The jurors are asking a lot of questions it seems and have been engaged and paying attention to everything.

It is up to them to determine guilt or innocence despite what everyone else might think.

All I know is - I don't want an innocent person to be imprisoned or a guilty one to walk free.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[INfisherman]

Or the singing one..

That one will forever be implanted into many minds & I expect resulting in many liquids being snorked out of the nose.

JMO

ETA clarity

 

[MassGuy]

Seems he may not have been faking it going by some of their reactions, but that is just my opinion.

Does this mean they won't be made public at all?

The main thing is - the jurors saw them at that is what is most important!

JMO MOO JMT

Whatever he’s doing is likely disturbing regardless of if he’s faking it or not.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I'm frustrated it's not broadcast too, but I don't think that means there is not transparency. Journalists and the public to have access to the courtroom, so there is transparency.

jmo

It’s the fact that the general public can’t see it and getting filtered information from limited media without transcripts- and that then gets filtered through all the YT and podcasts …

It feels like a bad game of “telephone” at times when a typo or mistake hearing something results in speculation and rabbit holes… (man? Or van? For example)

No streaming, no transcripts and just a few reporters taking notes is more veiled than transparent than I’m used to seeing- moo

 

[shonyakay]

In the 3 day hearings, Dr. Wala testified that RA told her that he wanted to go to a mental health facility. She told him to talk to his attorney's. Doesn't seem anything was done in that regard.

It made me think he possibly up'd the antics to try and get into a mental health facility.

 

[shonyakay]

The jurors are asking a lot of questions it seems and have been engaged and paying attention to everything.

It is up to them to determine guilt or innocence despite what everyone else might think.

All I know is - I don't want an innocent person to be imprisoned or a guilty one to walk free.

JMO MOO JMT

I hope and pray they make the right decision.

 

[shonyakay]

Or the singing one..

"Mama's don't let your babies grow up to be..."

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I do understand from where you’re coming, however, it’s all already been described through testimony, no need to leave a human with no dignity at all or his family for that matter. Just sayin.

Oh evidence is kept from the public all the time- for good reasons- and I have no idea if everything in those videos falls into that category or not- perhaps it does and should be for the reasons you stated above- it just triggered my overall frustration with the case-

They let the media see violent autopsy pictures of the girls and that bugged me too - I’d prefer those hadn’t been shown to the media for their dignity- moo

 

[INfisherman]

In the 3 day hearings, Dr. Wala testified that RA told her that he wanted to go to a mental health facility. She told him to talk to his attorney's. Doesn't seem anything was done in that regard.

It made me think he possibly up'd the antics to try and get into a mental health facility.

…or was advised to up the antics by his attorneys. Must not forget that being noted by both guards & Dr. Wala concerning when his behavior would increase. I hope little things like that don’t get lost in the distractions being put up by his team.

JMO

 

[Kudzuu]

The choices for “bullets in the chamber” are 1) zero, and 2) one. Other rounds inside the weapon would be in the magazine. RA at some point identified that he preferred not to have the chamber empty when carrying. That saves time if you need to get off a quick shot.

I misunderstood. One bullet with zero in the magazine.
Thx for the correction.

 

[ClearAhead]

It will be a disturbing visual memory for the jurors. As were the photos of the victims with their throats slashed open. Can’t be unseen.

jmo

I wonder why the D would choose to play these disturbing videos to the jury on the 1/2 day Saturday session, leaving them with lingering memories on their few precious hours of time off? Or they had nobody else available to take the stand after JG denied that third party motion?

I’m feeling great empathy for the jurors. I don’t think they realized what they were signing up for. JMO