Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #209

[photographer4]

Thank you so much! That is very helpful. Question: Could the three of them have made it to the final location in 10 minutes? That seems unlikely to me, given the terrain and considering it takes 10 minutes to cross the MHB. I hope someone in the trial has actually determined if that’s possible.

I wonder how they'd manage variables? Stress? Weather conditions? Physical fitness or lack thereof? Terrain... visibility (to possible witnesses), the need to be quiet so as to not draw possible attention... could any determination on this be reliable? RA had a heart attack in his 30's per this link:

Delphi murder trial: Libby's blood was likely mixed with her tears, expert says

A pattern on the body of Delphi murder victim Libby German showed her blood was likely mixed with tears, an officer testified.

abc11.com

How likely is it that this guy traversed the terrain that has been described as difficult by the state when the D wanted to take the jury on a trip to the area? Imo? Not likely imo.

EDITED to include link re: P opposing jury trip: https://fox59.com/indiana-news/delp...efense-request-to-take-jurors-to-crime-scene/

SECOND LINK ADDED WITH QUOTE: ""The terrain where the bodies were found is very difficult to traverse and would be dangerous for the jury to get to," McLeland stated" - Prosecutor doesn't want Delphi murder suspect's jurors to see crime scenes in person

 

[CrocWearer]

I keep hearing people saying that there had to be more than one killer to subdue two girls but I don't believe it's difficult to do at all!

He had a gun!

And 'why didn't they scream' well, for one I'd be thinking 'if I scream he's going to just shoot me!, if I run, he'll just shoot me, if I do as he says maybe I'll get out of this alive at least'

If they screamed, there was no-one near enough to actually help! And who else was there!? Other teenage girls!

And 'why would he tell LE he was there' He had to really, he'd been seen, his phone could have been tracked, his car could've been tracked on CCTV.
He had to admit he was there.

And it's not at all unusual for perpetrators to do that. 'Oh no, it wasn't me officer, look how honest I am telling you I was there'.

It also gives them a chance to try and find out how much LE knows.

My gut (and experience) says he's guilty.

 

[photographer4]

The following things can be all true:

-RA is the murderer
-LE was terrible in their investigation, dismissing the FBI, losing interviews, not writing into notes interviews and evidence, honestly the whole thing was terrible MOO
-RA was inhumanely treated to potentially an egregious point and he was experiencing psychosis during this time

MOO but LE was lucky RA gave all these confessions because if he did not this falls apart to me

These 'confessions' fell apart for me due to lack of actual detail - nothing only the killer would know given Wala was online in all the social media groups discussing the case, reading about it, learning about it... and I'll infer... telling him about it... moo.

 

[BUF]

I double checked. At about 39 min into the recap, they say it is Brad Weber who will be on the stand on Monday. Before that they said Pohl was denied remotely, they didn't mention in person. They said that Gull seemed to be expressing the sentiment that "hey, if you want to impeach Brad Weber, you talk to Brad Weber directly."

So many details for the reporters and all of us to keep track of! I think everyone is exhausted at this point.

Thanks for double checking. I was pretty tired when I was listening to it.

 

[gremlin444]

So what actual reason does JG have then to refuse remote testimony from him? Did she provide a written reasoning we can refer back to or was it just a flat "denied"? Not moo - asking a question.

None of the written reporter's daily updates have said.

The in yesterday's recap video by WTHR, the reporters said their impression was that Gull seemed to be expressing the sentiment that "hey, if you want to impeach Brad Weber, you talk to Brad Weber directly." Brad will be back on the stand on Monday.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I'd agree, but it's not for lack of the Defense Team and their youtube surrogates trying.

Despite the fact that those crime scene photos detailed the Franks' to be exactly the fanfic that it was, we still have the usual suspects in denial of that and some youtubers pushing their own personal agendas for clicks and subs.

That, IMO is neither fair or just to the memory of Abby Williams and Liberty German nor is it in the interest of justice for them.

Agreed- much outside the courtroom has not been fair, right or just for Libby and Abby moo

 

[Kudzuu]

I would wonder if long term alcohol misuse might impact his tolerance of and reactions to psychotropic medications- I don’t know but I’d guess it might

DBM
Might be off topic

 

[Dutch77]

These 'confessions' fell apart for me due to lack of actual detail - nothing only the killer would know given Wala was online in all the social media groups discussing the case, reading about it, learning about it... and I'll infer... telling him about it... moo.

That one that resonated with me was “I think I did it”

 

[jepop]

To the PUBLIC?
As in to the reporters and the spectators who got seats?

NO NO NO NO NO!

That should have been jury and judge and lawyers ONLY!

I have ABSOLUTELY NO WISH to see those girls dead, and especially not nude. Even with the modesty bars, I don’t want to see them like that.

Those reporters, podcasters etc. had best not distribute those to any audience, but IMO someone may for the clicks etc.

A horrid lapse and Mrs. Patty is completely in the right.

IMO

What? Were photos of the dead children at the scene on display to the public and reporters in open court? In televised trials, afaik, the public ( ie those receiving the stream)'are generally blocked from seeing such details for obvious reasons. And though not 100 % sure, I seem to recall in Kaitlin Armstrong and Murdaugh trials, things were managed so that only jury could see scene photos of victims (either through passing photo exhibits directly to jury or using an overhead screen shielded from public gallery view) but ICBW.

In all events, for this case in particular, allowing scene photos of the murdered girls to be seen by the public gallery is so off I don't know what to say. Imo really unacceptable. This a failure on Judge Gull's part to allow such in her court room imo. Am assuming these photographs were never on display as exhibits for reporters during the daily post- court 15 minutes. Obviously they would have to be excepted from general public access rights to trial materials. There mustn't be any general distribution, though surely there can't really be any questions on this point. Computerised models showing position of bodies etc would be appropriate for the public. Moo

 

[MassGuy]

These 'confessions' fell apart for me due to lack of actual detail - nothing only the killer would know given Wala was online in all the social media groups discussing the case, reading about it, learning about it... and I'll infer... telling him about it... moo.

She didn’t know about the box cutter and the CVS parking lot.

He tells us specifics about his day:

• Allen said he saw his parents on the morning of the crime. He bought a 6-pack instead of lunch, drank three beers, bundled up, went to the trail and saw the girls.
• He then followed them to the bridge, did something to his gun and thought that was when the cartridge came out, told the girls “down the hill.”
• He said he planned on a sexual assault but saw a van, “got scared” and decided not to, crossed the creek and “cut necks” before covering the bodies with branches.
• Then, staying off the trail to not be seen, Allen said he returned to the car and had lived his life normally since.

Prison psychologist discusses Richard Allen’s alleged confessions on Day 11 of Delphi murders trial

According to Dr. Monica Wala, Allen confessed to the killing during numerous sessions.

www.wndu.com

 

[photographer4]

That one that resonated with me was “I think I did it”

Yeah... he doesn't seem to KNOW that he did... he'll tell them "whatever THEY want to hear"... He just did the crime then went to his car -- see links - I posted this one a few times upthread so pls search my name. No DETAILS? Right. No dna, no transfer evidence... not even in the car? Ok then. MOOOOO.

 

[Boxer]

Possibly ?

Imo, the only goal for any and all LE and investigators should be justice for Abby and Libby, all else is moot.

FBI

Anyone know what Brad Webber is expected to testify about?

D challenging his time of arrival home.

 

[m00c0w]

I double checked. At about 39 min into the recap, they say it is Brad Weber who will be on the stand on Monday. Before that they said Pohl was denied remotely, they didn't mention in person. They said that Gull seemed to be expressing the sentiment that "hey, if you want to impeach Brad Weber, you talk to Brad Weber directly."

So many details for the reporters and all of us to keep track of! I think everyone is exhausted at this point.

Yeah, I don’t quite understand what the defense is trying to pull with this impeachment nonsense. If they have extrinsic evidence of a prior statement that is at odds with what he testified to, why are they not just impeaching him using the extrinsic evidence? There is absolutely no reason to bring in the writer of the report to impeach BW if what he testified to is substantially different than what is in the report.

What I’m guessing is the report is vague or doesn’t explicitly say what the defense wants it to say, so they have to impeach him in a roundabout way by asking the people that interviewed him about what he said in hopes the jury buys that whatever was said is different enough to actually matter.

Would also explain why JG is kind of over the whole ordeal.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

DBM

 

[MassGuy]

That one that resonated with me was “I think I did it”

This one resonated with me, as it was by far the least ambiguous.

The call from May 17, 2023, was between Allen and his mother.

“Did Kathy tell you I did it?” Allen asked his mother.

“We’re not going to discuss this, okay?” his mother, Janis, replied. “We love you. You know that, don’t you?”

“Regardless?” Allen asked. “I’m just worried you guys aren’t going to love me because I said I did it.”

“Just saying it doesn’t mean you did it,” his mother said.

“It does when I did,” Allen replied.

“Ricky, they’re just messing with you,” she said.

“No, Mom, they’re not,” he said. “So if I said I did it, you wouldn’t love me anymore?”

“I will always love you no matter what. You can count on that,” his mother said.

‘I did it. Do you still love me?’ Jurors hear Allen’s phone call ‘confessions’ in Delphi murders trial

DELPHI, Ind. – Jurors heard several phone calls Richard Allen made to family members during Day 12 of testimony in the Delphi murders trial. Allen is charged with four counts of murder in connectio…

fox59.com

 

[Deleted member 296739]

To the PUBLIC?
As in to the reporters and the spectators who got seats?

NO NO NO NO NO!

That should have been jury and judge and lawyers ONLY!

I have ABSOLUTELY NO WISH to see those girls dead, and especially not nude. Even with the modesty bars, I don’t want to see them like that.

Those reporters, podcasters etc. had best not distribute those to any audience, but IMO someone may for the clicks etc.

A horrid lapse and Mrs. Patty is completely in the right.

IMO


ETA: @BUF Whew, thank you, I just saw your post stating the TV was moved away from the public in court.

The reporters saw the photos - that’s how the one made the sketch/drawing

 

[m00c0w]

So what actual reason does JG have then to refuse remote testimony from him? Did she provide a written reasoning we can refer back to or was it just a flat "denied"? Not moo - asking a question.

From AB’s live last night, she was saying JG didn’t like how the subpoena was only sent to the agent 2-3 weeks ago. So basically, the defense being ill-prepared shouldn’t put an extra burden on the court or something.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I believe what was being described as Libby’s grandmother being upset that the girls naked bodies at the crime scene and autopsy were shown to all, but these videos of RA in custody were only showed to the jurors.

I don’t blame her for being upset.

So RA’s wild hissy fits were not shown to everyone, but naked brutalized dead children are OK.

 

[Mauig’ma]

A man being on a bridge does not make the man a killer. The state has not proven BARD (imo) that a man on the bridge killed the kids, and certainly not that said man is RA. Mooo.

I have to disagree. It absolutely proves RA is bridge guy especially with the video Libby took.

 

[Momofthreeboys]

Is it just me or does the defense’s presentation just seem all over the place? Maybe that’s another strategy in hopes of confusing the jury. Doesn’t lend itself to telling a story which refutes the evidence given by the state. Maybe I’m jumping the gun a bit.

JMO

My thinking from what I can tell is they are knocking off the inconsistencies in prosecution, punctuating the investigation issues and adding the info about the psychosis to explain confessions. Their closing argument should be a summary I would think.