Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[girlhasnoname]

RA, the man who has confessed and dressed like the killer and has no alibi and his gun ejected a bullet which ended up under the victims' bodies. As much as some shout conspiracy, which is absolutely ridiculous, that's what this all boils down to.



IMO

Yes @Salah11, despite the smoke and mirrors it really does come down to those simple facts. Even though this Defense would have you be a contortionist to fit all the pieces of their conspiracy puzzle into place, it just doesn't work. Common sense tells us that.

RA was not a drooling, psychotic, fragile egg on Feb 13, 2017 when he murdered Abby & Libby. That is what this trial is about and the Defense has done everything to try and make it about poor RA, instead of the 2 dead, young girls he left laying on the ground bleeding out with their throats cut.

Meanwhile RA goes home and continues his pathetic life for 5+ years before the hammer fell. I'd say RA was lucky, LE made mistakes in their investigation, but that luck ran out on Oct 26th, 2022. That was THE DAY and I'm thankful for it.

What happened to RA leading up to his trial is nothing compared to what the innocent victims Abby & Libby suffered, they're dead. I'm sick of hearing the Defense trying to blame everyone but Allen and painting him as the victim here.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

JMO

 

[Megnut]

The main reason is that it makes far more sense than a group of ninja odinists deciding to plug in headphones into their victim’s phone that they also left at the crime scene?

I think the prosecution did a horrible job on cross, but that doesn’t mean the witness actually gave credible answers. The prosecution could have easily countered this with:

- Was the phone unlocked at any point after 2:14?
- Was the screen on at any point after 2:14, aside from turning on as a result of an incoming call or notification?
- Was there any audio actually played from the phone after 2:14?
- Did you check the moisture sensor in the headphone port to see if there could have been a false reading due to water exposure?
- Do you hold a current Cellebrite certification?

JMO

Fortunately there's rebuttal ahead. Where the State can present a cohesive picture, bringing it all together in a powerful closing argument.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

Fortunately there's rebuttal ahead. Where the State can present a cohesive picture, bringing it all together in a powerful closing argument.

JMO

I'm hoping and praying they can tie up some of these loose ends and unanswered questions during rebuttal and closing.

 

[MassGuy]

The main reason is that it makes far more sense than a group of ninja odinists deciding to plug in headphones into their victim’s phone that they also left at the crime scene?

I think the prosecution did a horrible job on cross, but that doesn’t mean the witness actually gave credible answers. The prosecution could have easily countered this with:

- Was the phone unlocked at any point after 2:14?
- Was the screen on at any point after 2:14, aside from turning on as a result of an incoming call or notification?
- Was there any audio actually played from the phone after 2:14?
- Did you check the moisture sensor in the headphone port to see if there could have been a false reading due to water exposure?
- Do you hold a current Cellebrite certification?

JMO

lol, your questions make me so mad. It really would have been that simple.

 

[Warwick7]

@otto said earlier: "...but a white van drove by, so he was interrupted and forced the girls to cross the creek. He then asked: "Gotta wonder - was the sexual moment ruined for Richard Allen? He no longer felt the urge to rape the teenagers. Instead, he killed them to eliminate witnesses?"

I was thinking about this. It sounds very plausible.

If he killed them right away, what was he doing for an hour before he left? Or maybe I don't want to know.

 

[Warwick7]

So.. is it's junk science when the State's expert physically examines and makes a ruling on the evidence?... now scientific fact because the D has their expert up? This must be the magic bullet they've been screaming about.

Oh my word I needed that laugh!!

 

[Warwick7]

Wow, sometimes it seems like this jury is asking tougher questions of the witnesses than the attorneys have been!

Exactly!! I luv it!!

 

[Warwick7]

Or like in Murdaugh, where the defense did not have their experts write reports so they wouldn't have to turn them over as discovery to the prosecution before trial. I hope that's not what happened here, because I think Baldwin and Rozzi are better than Harpootlian.

@gremlin444 moo this is spot on!! This makes perfect sense to me, that the defense did not have their experts write reports so they wouldn't have to turn them over as discovery to the prosecution before trial.

 

[girlhasnoname]

"Somebody removed that cable from the phone at 10 p.m.," Eldridge told jurors, adding later: "I cannot think of any explanation that does not involve humans."

OMG are you kidding me? What is this person's specialty again? A FBI digital evidence instructor.
Ugh...

1. The answer that many of us gave up above when a phone gets wet.

2. Libby's phone was connecting with a cell tower in the area on Feb. 13 but stopped at 5:44 p.m.
Baldwin said Libby's phone, which was found, somehow connected to a cellphone tower at 4:33 a.m. on Feb. 14.
So the defense states the girls were removed and then brought back, thus why her phone allegedly reconnected to the tower.

No.

A stationary cell phone can automatically reconnect to a cell tower after losing signal on its own, as long as there is a tower within range and the phone is actively searching for a signal; it will periodically attempt to re-establish a connection with the nearest available tower.

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Former FBI, she's now a Private Investigator in Nebraska. Not a leap to see how that big career change happened in my mind.

JMO

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

That seems like a LOT of hours. I can’t imagine spending 15 hours prepping for testimony.

Gotta get that money, I'd guess the pay for a PI in Nebraska isn't raking in the $$$$. JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

Source:
Eldridge says Libby’s phone last connection time was Feb. 14 at 4:33 a.m. and before that, 5:45 p.m. on Feb. 13.

She says the phone was not using date in between those times. Cecil’s report said there were messages coming through during that time frame. Eldridge says there is evidence that the phone did not have messages delivered in between those times.

Eldridge says that some of those messages did have time stamps in between the two times, but they weren’t delivered. She says voicemails between the two times were not delivered until Feb. 17.
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Voicemails were not delivered until the 17th, 3 days after the girls were found and three days since the last connection time. Why? Did the Odinites have the girls until the 17th? We know they didn't.

I'm seeing online that water and moisture can result in damage to internal components of the phone. (Right, I know this from working even just casually with electronics for the past twenty years.) I saw this specifically: Damaged components might affect calls while allowing texts to go through. Yes, I Googled!

 

[shonyakay]

The defense is serving up nothing burgers that I am not consuming.

 

[mrjitty]

The main reason is that it makes far more sense than a group of ninja odinists deciding to plug in headphones into their victim’s phone that they also left at the crime scene?

I think the prosecution did a horrible job on cross, but that doesn’t mean the witness actually gave credible answers. The prosecution could have easily countered this with:

- Was the phone unlocked at any point after 2:14?
- Was the screen on at any point after 2:14, aside from turning on as a result of an incoming call or notification?
- Was there any audio actually played from the phone after 2:14?
- Did you check the moisture sensor in the headphone port to see if there could have been a false reading due to water exposure?
- Do you hold a current Cellebrite certification?

JMO

I wonder why this was not done though?

Did they not have this report and see this testimony was coming?

 

[snooptroop88]

And if the crossing of the creek didn't cause water damage to the phone, the blood may have. This (should be) verbatim of Cicero's testimony, pp 16-17:

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Q What does the blood evidence on her body tell you?

A The blood stains on her body, observed flow patterns on A.W.’s face which were not consistent with her final resting, meaning that either her head was turned to the side at one point, maybe her body was turned at one point. The stains were limited really to the back and the clothing where saturation occurred and saturation is where blood accumulates and soaks into absorbent material: carpeting, clothing, and whatnot. The saturation—the sweatshirt was so saturated in blood, also went onto the forest floor, trickled to the right of her, as well, where a pooling or accumulation occurred, as well.
This is Fox59 citing Olehy confirming there was a pool of blood beneath Abby:
Olehy described how Abby was wearing Libby’s sweatshirt and jeans, how one of Libby’s shoes was found under Abby’s body along with a pool of blood.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-day-3-of-testimony-includes-graphic-crime-scene-photos/

 

[shonyakay]

I wonder why this was not done though?

Did they not have this report and see this testimony was coming?

Did the state have access to a report? It was mentioned upthread that a report may not have been written by this witness.

 

[shonyakay]

"But under cross examination by prosecutor Nick McLeland, Eldridge's confidence crumbled, and she was forced to admit that water damage or even dirt could have caused the audio output 'activity' to register in error.

She also admitted that the most likely explanation for the phone being in and out of reception was that it simply dropped service as it had done intermittently throughout the day due to the remote and wooded location in which it was found."

Delphi murder defense tells jury to ignore 'smoking gun' evidence

As the highly-anticipated trial of Richard Allen in Indiana entered its sixteenth day in Carroll County Courthouse the court heard a wealth of expert testimony brought by the defense.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Warwick7]

And if the crossing of the creek didn't cause water damage to the phone, the blood may have. This (should be) verbatim of Cicero's testimony, pp 16-17:

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Q What does the blood evidence on her body tell you?

A The blood stains on her body, observed flow patterns on A.W.’s face which were not consistent with her final resting, meaning that either her head was turned to the side at one point, maybe her body was turned at one point. The stains were limited really to the back and the clothing where saturation occurred and saturation is where blood accumulates and soaks into absorbent material: carpeting, clothing, and whatnot. The saturation—the sweatshirt was so saturated in blood, also went onto the forest floor, trickled to the right of her, as well, where a pooling or accumulation occurred, as well.
This is Fox59 citing Olehy confirming there was a pool of blood beneath Abby:
Olehy described how Abby was wearing Libby’s sweatshirt and jeans, how one of Libby’s shoes was found under Abby’s body along with a pool of blood.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-day-3-of-testimony-includes-graphic-crime-scene-photos/

I was looking for this but couldn't find it!
Thank you!!

 

[shonyakay]

"But under cross examination by prosecutor Nick McLeland, Eldridge's confidence crumbled, and she was forced to admit that water damage or even dirt could have caused the audio output 'activity' to register in error.

She also admitted that the most likely explanation for the phone being in and out of reception was that it simply dropped service as it had done intermittently throughout the day due to the remote and wooded location in which it was found."

Delphi murder defense tells jury to ignore 'smoking gun' evidence

As the highly-anticipated trial of Richard Allen in Indiana entered its sixteenth day in Carroll County Courthouse the court heard a wealth of expert testimony brought by the defense.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It is another nothing burger afterall.

 

[Warwick7]

I wonder why this was not done though?

Did they not have this report and see this testimony was coming?

A report was never written.

 

[Warwick7]

"But under cross examination by prosecutor Nick McLeland, Eldridge's confidence crumbled, and she was forced to admit that water damage or even dirt could have caused the audio output 'activity' to register in error.

She also admitted that the most likely explanation for the phone being in and out of reception was that it simply dropped service as it had done intermittently throughout the day due to the remote and wooded location in which it was found."

Delphi murder defense tells jury to ignore 'smoking gun' evidence

As the highly-anticipated trial of Richard Allen in Indiana entered its sixteenth day in Carroll County Courthouse the court heard a wealth of expert testimony brought by the defense.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Exactly!! Just like we thought!!