Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[Megnut]

The Delphi Murders: Richard Allen on Trial: Day Seventeen: The Rebuttal

We discuss the seventeenth day of Richard Allen's trial. The defense rested-- and the prosecution offered three rebuttal witnesses. Support The Murder Sheet by...

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[arielilane]

-- The majority of walkers on the trail that day saw BG.
-- Libby felt something wasn’t right and turned video on that day.
--But, RA didn’t see BG on the trail that day.

• October 2023, leaked crime scene photos from the defense office of attorneys BR and AB.
• Both defense attorneys were dismissed from the case.
• RA still wanted this same defense [what does that tell you about him] team to defend him.
• January 2024, defense team reinstated

The defendant’s defense team is not suggesting that RA did not confess to the double murder of Abby & Libby, they’re leading away from the confessions. Deflection.

Defense’s tactics the entire time as been nothing more than smoke and mirrors.


jmo and spitballing - he's guilty

 

[shonyakay]

I'm not very happy about the testimony from the "gun expert". How on earth do you compare a fired round to an unspent round and say they match?

An additional question asked Warren if he was aware that the extractor on Allen’s gun had a “recessed” area that made individual marks that matched the “unspent bullet.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-defense-experts-testify-on-solitary-confinement-impact-unspent-bullet-evidence/

 

[katydid23]

If it was a carpet cutting blade or a long drywall blade, I wouldn't dispute that. A craft knife with little snap-off sections for safety goes a bit into not likely.

Defense didn't argue about the box cutter because they knew the idea was ridiculous. MOO

How is it ridiculous? RA had 15 boxcutters at home.

There are many strong boxcutter blades available.

MANY murders are committed with boxcutters, including slit throats.

How is the idea ridiculous? Certainly less ridiculous than someone plugging in headphones after the girls were dead. IMO

 

[Spartygirl]

Thank you both.

I said this threads ago—-box cutters were all that were needed to slash the throats of four pilots and also co-pilots so the terrorists could fly the planes.

I lost 10 people that I knew there, one on one of the planes, and have been sick ever since thinking of how box cutters were allowed on planes back then, and ultimately brought down 220 stories of buildings.

Jmo but also facts.

So sorry for your loss @Arkay

9/11 was horrific and we will never Forget !!!

 

[shonyakay]

How indeed?

"An additional question asked Warren if he was aware that the extractor on Allen’s gun had a “recessed” area that made individual marks that matched the “unspent bullet.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-defense-experts-testify-on-solitary-confinement-impact-unspent-bullet-evidence/

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Well they’ve tailored their testimony and changed it from prior testimony - this smells like a win-at-any-cost mentality. Either the state’s case is strong enough without having witnesses change their testimony, or it is not. In this case it seems like the states case was not strong enough without massaging witness testimony. JMO

“Well they’ve tailored their testimony and changed it from prior testimony - this smells like a win-at-any-cost mentality.”

—defense expert psychologist testifies she only considered about sixty pages of Wala’s notes, none of those pages containing confessions, because that was all the defense gave her to look at.
—though he had access to the original bullet and permission to perform his own tests, the defense’s ballistic expert only looked at photos of the bullet. He stated the reason for that was because that was all the defense attorneys asked him to do.
—defense team intern goes through hours and hours of prison video to put together a “day in the prison life of RA”, but chooses a couple of hours showing RA’s worse moments. He stated he had free reign from his bosses, but it was not a good look.

So, really?
The prosecution is the problem?

Edit: correcting poorly worded part

 

[shonyakay]

No. I did struggle with why RA would choose victims so close to home. After thinking it over for a couple of days, I realized it’s not at all extraordinary. I have followed a number of cases where women were assaulted and murdered by men who lived nearby. Several were just out jogging or walking on a trail. After all the twists and turns with this case, it has turned out to be like many other cases. A man enacts a random act of violence on a perceived easy target. Probably fantasized about it during other trail walks in the past. For whatever reason, on a warm Monday in February, he turned his sick fantasy into reality.

jmo

RA was familiar with the trails. It was also a popular trail for teens. Railly Voorhies (who was 16 at the time) testified that she would go the trails/High bridge 2 to 3 times a week.

 

[Arkay]

I’m truly sorry for your unfathomable losses.

The very words “box cutter” leave me terminally enraged after 9/11.

They are extra lethal because of their ordinariness— they are sharp, yes, but they are also everywhere and seem to be handy when evil people want to commit crimes.


moo

I had no idea Arkay that the 9/11 attack hit home for you in a personal way. I’m very sorry. We will never forget.

So sorry for your loss @Arkay

9/11 was horrific and we will never Forget !!!

You, my fellow Websleuthers, are the most wonderful and compassionate people.

I did not lose family, although my daughter was trapped in Manhattan a mile away from the WTC.

I did lose friends, neighbors, and several firemen I knew, including the father of the boy my daughter was dating at the time, and my best friend’s brother who was an EMT.

It was a school day and we had hysterical students because they had parents who worked there, and parents and other relatives streamed in all day to take their kids home.

Very many New Yorkers lost people that day.

This act of terror was made possible by hatred armed with nothing but BOX CUTTERS.

So I strongly dispute that BOX CUTTERS weren’t sufficient to cut the throats of two young girls.

I thank you all from my heart, and anyone else I may have missed.

 

[INfisherman]

Interesting that no one questioned how 911 terrorists were able to kill pilots and flight attendants with box cutters.

Just sayin…

Yeeeeaaaahhhhh, but there were conspiracy theories surrounding those events too…

 

[Mitch1]

defense team intern goes through hours and hours of prison video to put together a “day in the prison life of RA”, but chooses a couple of hours showing RA’s worse moments. He stated he had free reign from his bosses, but it was not a good look.

Actually that intern put together a video showing how his mental state changed-essentially taking videos from the beginning when he wasn’t as bad and tried to show a progression to the worst-the state objected

 

[Gigiky]

I think I'm right in that the State of Indiana is prosecuting RA? But at the same time the State of Indiana is defending him because he is being represented by a Public Defender who works for the State. Okay, I'm a little wonky from following this trail.

 

[INfisherman]

I think I'm right in that the State of Indiana is prosecuting RA? But at the same time the State of Indiana is defending him because he is being represented by a Public Defender who works for the State. Okay, I'm a little wonky from following this trail.

Unsure about Rozzi but neither Baldwin nor Auger are public defenders.

 

[shonyakay]

It’s also your friend if you want to see the kinds of injuries a boxcutter can inflict. Pretty gruesome.

Been there. Done that. Did you see how deep and wide that one was on the thenar eminence part of the hand?

 

[detectivewannab]

Time for closing arguments. So wish we could get the transcript.

 

[zh0r4]

I think it would take a lot of pressure to nearly decapitate a person with a craft knife, blades would snap.
Not saying it could never be done but how likely is it?

Can you make the marks like the pathologist showed with your craft knife?

And how likely could you do it with a flimsy box cutter? Whenever I had to work with box cutters I always had to replace them bc of how flimsy they were. JMO.

 

[photographer4]

What irked my tater about him was that it seemed to me like he was disingenuous about how he came to the box cutter conclusion. IIRC, he said there was a box cutter in his workspace and it just dawned on him. (Something like that was the way I took what I read; I know it’s not his exact verbiage.) For me, the timing of it makes it seem pretty likely he was informed of RA’s confession before forming his updated opinion. If that’s what happened, I just prefer the truth. I was also dismayed that the defense only learned of his updated opinion during his testimony, although he had recently been deposed by them.

MOO

That feels *dirty* of him imo. Changing his opinion on the stand from what he told them in the deposition is just plain dirty. Moo.

 

[Warwick7]

Respectfully,
If a couple of guys can divert planes full of people into the World Trade Center with box cutters, surely a guy can murder a couple of girls with them.

This is bordering on ridiculous IMO. The defense did not even argue that a box cutter could not have been used to commit the crime.

MOO

Um...bam!!!!

 

[SterlingArcher]

I cant believe we have actual video of who we think is the killer and no one can say for sure that its RA. Like, its a freaking video.

Imagine it was the teenagers that were there..? Doing the Odinism thing.. Teenagers would have access to box cutters too.. All the kids in the area would mostly go to the same school no? Maybe its like a mean girls thing. With no SA, maybe they just got them to switch clothes to embarrass them.. One of the teenagers "is still traumatized". Whats up with that..

Also tho for real.. If I am looking in that park for 2 missing girls.. near that bridge as their snap put them there. The FIRST place I'm going to look is around that bridge. A vid on youtube says its a popular hangout spot (the bridge specifically - people would take grad pics and wedding pics there) and that everyone knew it was dangerous.
I would have made sure they didnt fall off.. I'd look in the river to see if they had drowned.
How many ppl were out looking for the girls that night? Have they looked for someone before?

 

[Gigiky]

I cant believe we have actual video of who we think is the killer and no one can say for sure that its RA. Like, its a freaking video.

Imagine it was the teenagers that were there..? Doing the Odinism thing.. Teenagers would have access to box cutters too.. All the kids in the area would mostly go to the same school no? Maybe its like a mean girls thing. With no SA, maybe they just got them to switch clothes to embarrass them.. One of the teenagers "is still traumatized". Whats up with that..

Also tho for real.. If I am looking in that park for 2 missing girls.. near that bridge as their snap put them there. The FIRST place I'm going to look is around that bridge. A vid on youtube says its a popular hangout spot (the bridge specifically - people would take grad pics and wedding pics there) and that everyone knew it was dangerous.
I would have made sure they didnt fall off.. I'd look in the river to see if they had drowned.
How many ppl were out looking for the girls that night? Have they looked for someone before?

I have thought about the Shanda Sharer case that happened in Madison Indiana in1992 more than once while following this trail over the years.