Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[Davemac1]

And I guess they were also able to extract from the phone exactly what was listened to in those 4 or 5 hours?

Thought not!

 

[shonyakay]

I just reddit and googled the subject and you are not alone by far for the same thing happening with iPhones and iPads too. The headphone's jack indication says headphones are plugged in when there are not. This is what the defense team thinks is an important issue? It's laughable

I've had the issue with my phone as well when it fell in the bath. Afterwards, the headphone icon was displaying and there was no sound. Later, the icon went off and the sound returned. It did this a couple of times before it fully dried out and then it didn't happen again.

 

[photographer4]

Respectfully, how can it be "clearly from water damage" when it started exactly at 5:45 pm and ended exactly at 10:32 pm?

“Cecil was asked if he examined Libby’s phone for water damage. He said it did not. He was asked if dirt was on the phone when it was found. He said he did not know.”

Delphi murders: Expert says headphone jack inserted into Libby’s phone, removed in dead of night

DELPHI, Ind. — A computer analysis expert testified on Tuesday and claimed that her findings revealed that a headphone jack was plugged into Libby German’s phone hours after it stopped moving…

www.wdtn.com

So it didn’t have water damage and he didn’t know about dirt?? Really? Once again LE not looking very much like they did a brilliant investigation imo.

 

[photographer4]

I don't know if I am more amazed with the defense's expert saying the water can't affect the port or with the fact that the state's expert had to made a google search to confirm that water can affect the port..

And the states other expert, Bunner didn’t know what audio output was. Really??

“Bunner’s questioning was even briefer as he was asked if he knew what audio output meant.

“No,” he said.”

Delphi murders: Expert says headphone jack inserted into Libby’s phone, removed in dead of night

DELPHI, Ind. — A computer analysis expert testified on Tuesday and claimed that her findings revealed that a headphone jack was plugged into Libby German’s phone hours after it stopped moving…

www.wdtn.com

 

[katydid23]

And do you know how the headphone connection info would show up in a cellebrite extraction report?

Yeah, neither do I.

No, of course I do not know how it shows up. But I doubt it can differentiate between actual headphones being plugged in and dirt or mud clogging up the connection. I think cellebrite downloads data/files/notifications.

My guess is that there was a notification embedded in data file that headphones were connected at that time. JMO

 

[photographer4]

And I guess they were also able to extract from the phone exactly what was listened to in those 4 or 5 hours?

Thought not!

You could plug headphones in and not listen to anything though so not sure how helpful it is if they didn’t show anything was listened to. Mmmoooo.

 

[Vern]

The states witness compared a fired round to an unfired round.

Indeed they did.

And, both fired casings and cycled rounds are 'ejected' from the gun.

They then compared the 'ejection marks' left on the ejected casing and RAs ejected cycled round casing. They did not compare the marks left by the firing pin as it's irrelevent to this case.

The Defense's non-certified, non-credentialled *ahem* expert ... looked at photos. I just about suffered myself some whiplash reading that factoid.

Me thinks Dudley Do Right wins the day on this one.

JMT, IMO, MOO.

 

[Davemac1]

You could plug headphones in and not listen to anything though so not sure how helpful it is if they didn’t show anything was listened to. Mmmoooo.

It would probably help the defense.
Otherwise they are stuck with the possibility that the phone was suffering from a known malfunction.

 

[shonyakay]

I've had the issue with my phone as well when it fell in the bath. Afterwards, the headphone icon was displaying and there was no sound. Later, the icon went off and the sound returned. It did this a couple of times before it fully dried out and then it didn't happen again.

I do want to add that my phone was an Android not an iPhone.

 

[m00c0w]

Respectfully, how can it be "clearly from water damage" when it started exactly at 5:45 pm and ended exactly at 10:32 pm?

Why would you expect it to behave differently? Water entered the port and completed the circuit of the sensor that detects a headphone jack being inserted. The circuit stayed completed until enough water dissipated to break the circuit.

What is curious is the 10:32 time coincides with some piece of data being received by the phone that was talked about during Cecil’s original testimony and his testimony back in August. I don’t recall if it was a text or what, but additional vibrations would explain the water being disturbed enough to break the circuit in the same way it completed it in the first place.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

It would probably help the defense.
Otherwise they are stuck with the possibility that the phone was suffering from a known malfunction.

This investigation was so ridiculously poorly done that I don’t think I could find RA guilty! And that’s not even including what has been suggested as other possible suspects etc. This is gross. Moo.

 

[katydid23]

Just one more thing to obfuscate and confuse.

SMH.

JMVHO.

One of Libby's female relatives must have plugged in the headphones when they left their hair in Abby's clenched fist?

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

I feel like the bit about the headphones is just another example of how sometimes cell phones can be weird or defy logic, like how Libby’s phone could randomly lose and regain signal, the phones of victims of a catastrophic plane crash could still receive calls 24 hours later or even how for some reason turning off and on an iPhone can increase a charge from 3% to 8%. You can’t always read too much into it to reflect a person’s movements or behavior because sometimes it is just shear luck or a coincidental byproduct of the mobile device.

JMO/JMT

 

[katydid23]

This investigation was so ridiculously poorly done that I don’t think I could find RA guilty! And that’s not even including what has been suggested as other possible suspects etc. This is gross. Moo.

There are problems with the investigation, likely because there have been almost ZERO murders to investigate in Delphi area. They were in over their heads, imo.

So they did get off to a rocky start for sure. But I am not going to reward RA for that because there is still enough evidence showing me that RA is BG and committed these brutal murders. IMO

 

[Willow Knight]

On re-direct Eldridge says she “reviewed the most important information in the number of hours she had.”

RSBM

Was she limited to a number of hours by the defense?

She stated she worked a total of 80 hours at $300 per hour. $24,000.00

Guess you get what you pay for.

IMO

 

[Tricia]

I feel like the bit about the headphones is just another example of how sometimes cell phones can be weird or defy logic, like how Libby’s phone could randomly lose and regain signal, the phones of victims of a catastrophic plane crash could still receive calls 24 hours later or even how for some reason turning off and on an iPhone can increase a charge from 3% to 8%. You can’t always read too much into it to reflect a person’s movements or behavior because sometimes it is just shear luck or a coincidental byproduct of the mobile device.

JMO/JMT

Hi @AppleTreeGreen
I agree. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this new cell phone information. It could just be a weird cell phone deal. If the headphone jack thing happened after the girls were dead, it would make no sense. And why did the phone download information in the early morning hours? It's just too weird.

 

[katydid23]

“Cecil was asked if he examined Libby’s phone for water damage. He said it did not. He was asked if dirt was on the phone when it was found. He said he did not know.”

Delphi murders: Expert says headphone jack inserted into Libby’s phone, removed in dead of night

DELPHI, Ind. — A computer analysis expert testified on Tuesday and claimed that her findings revealed that a headphone jack was plugged into Libby German’s phone hours after it stopped moving…

www.wdtn.com

So it didn’t have water damage and he didn’t know about dirt?? Really? Once again LE not looking very much like they did a brilliant investigation imo.

No, they didn't in that instance. That officer was probably just trying to retrieve texts and pictures and things like that from the victim's phone. Looking at the headphone jack didnt occur to them, I suppose.

But in reality, it does not mean anything. The victims were killed right there, the bodies never moved that afternoon, the phone never moved again, the Fitbit never showed movement, so the accusation that someone plugged in headphones at 10 pm is ridiculous, imo. The obvious answer is that headphone notification was an error because of the elements/water/dirt/wind etc.

 

[photographer4]

There are problems with the investigation, likely because there have been almost ZERO murders to investigate in Delphi area. They were in over their heads, imo.

So they did get off to a rocky start for sure. But I am not going to reward RA for that because there is still enough evidence showing me that RA is BG and committed these brutal murders. IMO

The fact that the investigators were inexperienced means they should have known they were in over their heads. What did they do? Kick the FBI off the case and demand their work product be turned over. I can’t applaud them here at all. I wouldn’t be able to put a man away for life just because the investigators say “trust me”, when their own expert doesn’t know what “audio output” means, among other issues. Moo. I’m afraid the state didn’t prove RA as guilty BARD for me given all these investigative issues. Moo.

 

[Myvice]

RSBM

Was she limited to a number of hours by the defense?

She stated she worked a total of 80 hours at $300 per hour. $24,000.00

Guess you get what you pay for.

IMO

I would guess this locks in the timeline from the P all the more though because she couldn't find anything wrong with it.

 

[Willow Knight]

She answered No to the water question.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 16 live blog

Day 16 in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen begins Tuesday at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Follow our live blog for the latest updates.

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At 3:35 McLeland starts cross-examination again. Eldridge says that it takes “a little bit of movement” for a phone to start logging movements.

The jury asked the following questions:

1. Did you ever write your own timeline? Eldridge said “no, not enough time.”

Again, not enough time??

Time is money.