Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[Vern]

True. I feel the same way. The trial isn’t decided by who sits in the gallery or not. However, it’s just another below the belt tactic being employed that frustrates some followers of the trial.

Seems to me like more planning & effort has been put into what goes on in the public rather than with a particular individual who’s charged with murder. If I were the fragile egg, I’d be boiling if I were aware of it.

Correct, it isn't about who sits in the gallery or not, but it has been noticed and brought up in these threads that there has been a noticeable change within the courtroom.

And the jury sees that.

Those left move over to sit behind the Defence ... Interesting tactic. I'm wondering if that's having a psychological effect upon the Jurors?? I wonder if that was/is the intent of this obviously coordinated effort? I wonder where this sugestion and effort originated?

In any case, it's not a good look for those who profess "to just want the truth".

I hope Judge Gull notices ... and does something about it.

Now, we really have seen just about everything in this trial.

 

[photographer4]

Have you seen how complicated those Cellebrite extraction reports are?

How long did it take whoever did the first extraction to do it in 2017? Why, was she able to find this and he was not if the ability to do so was there back then?

2. Why is the data about power logs not available at all? Did the first guy miss a step or? Not write something down???

Not moo. Trying to understand so asking.

 

[photographer4]

It's still just an opinion because the Cellebrite extraction is basically a notification saying the audio port is being used---but that does not mean it's accurate. It could be something besides headphones---like mud or water

Well, we might know if this was an issue if the first guy ever checked for it. He said there wasn’t water and he didn’t know about dirt. See one my posts from last night where I quoted a linked him saying exactly this.

IMO, it clearly wasn’t water or dirt that caused this. I can’t believe the guy didn’t check for water and didn’t know about dirt in the device or how it could affect his own findings until 7.5 years later thanks to…. Google. Mooo

 

[photographer4]

It changes nothing. The bodies were laying where they were killed. They never moved. The phone never moved. No one had headphones on at 10 pm.

Sounds like the bodies were not there until after 10 imo. Moo.

 

[INfisherman]

Correct, it isn't about who sits in the gallery or not, but it has been noticed and brought up in these threads that there has been a noticeable change within the courtroom.

And the jury sees that.

Those left move over to sit behind the Defence ... Interesting tactic. I'm wondering if that's having a psychological effect upon the Jurors?? I wonder if that was/is the intent of this obviously coordinated effort? I wonder where this sugestion and effort originated?

In any case, it's not a good look for those who profess "to just want the truth".

I hope Judge Gull notices ... and does something about it.

Now, we really have seen just about everything in this trial.

I don’t disagree with your concerns. It may impact the jury, it may not. They’re sharp people & I have faith they will pay more attention to evidence versus the sideshow. Maybe the fact that JG had to admonish the gallery for talking will have the opposite desired effect. Hard to definitively say. To me it’s just senseless mindgames that indicates a lack of confidence by the perpetrators.

ETA JMO

 

[susane7]

I hope the prosecution get a rebutall case. IMO I think they need to explain the timeline better, that the CPS bulding is an abandoned building (from the juries questions to Betsy, some juries didn't understand that), need a better expert to explain the phone thing, explain that the van is something only the killer would know and as the defense presented RA as a "fragile egg" and passive, they can try to see if Judge Gull now let them use the video of RA threatening the guards in Cass County.

 

[photographer4]

I don't know if it made a notification about the headphones or not. Screen was too glitchy. But it did start working again the next afternoon after it has dried out. But it never really worked correctly again.

So what. That officer was just downloading texts and pictures. He had no known reason to look at the audio port at that time. Lesson learned.

Her pants were wet and the phone was in the pockets when they crossed the creek.

On a double child homicide as horrific as this, lesson learned is not ok. I’m astonished at the idea that this glaring mistake is to be forgiven. Moo.

 

[shonyakay]

Do we know which of these events came first?

RA told KA he’d been at the trail.
BG photo released.

Not that I am aware.

 

[arielilane]

9 A.M.: COURT IN SESSION FOR WEDNESDAY​

Delphi Murders trial: Day 17 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering 13-year-old Abigail Williams and 14-year-old Liberty German in 2017, is on trial in Carroll County, Indiana. The defense rested their case at the start of Day 17, and are expected to give closing arguments soon.

wishtv.com

 

[Tortoise]

I think this jury has demonstrated a lot of common sense by their questions.

 

[photographer4]

Yes. Hundreds of them. Do you have a specific question about them?

I do. What’s your training and background in them pls and thanks? I didn’t think you were a verified expert here so I’m wondering how and why you’d have seen any let alone hundreds of them? Thanks in advance.

 

[arielilane]

The State will rebuttal. jmo

 

[photographer4]

I hope the prosecution get a rebutall case. IMO I think they need to explain the timeline better, that the CPS bulding is an abandoned building (from the juries questions to Betsy, some juries didn't understand that), need a better expert to explain the phone thing, explain that the van is something only the killer would know and as the defense presented RA as a "fragile egg" and passive, they can try to see if Judge Gull now let them use the video of RA threatening the guards in Cass County.

I hope they assert the van was something only the killer would know because I think that would then allow the D to show how prevalent this was online where Wala likely saw it years ago and in turn could have (likely did imo) provide it to RA.

 

[FrostedGlass]

MOO
After learning of Stacy Eldridge's testimony, now we know why Nick jumped all over the mention of the Knowledge C database. Of course he saw the relevance.
The D got it in anyway. That's another one of those BAM things!

[snips from the 3-day hearings]

Q Now, what is your – can you tell the Court about knowledgeC, the
database?

A So, Your Honor, knowledgeC is a data –

MR. MCLELAND: Judge, I’m gonna object again. I just – I’m not
sure what – she can make an offer to prove. I don’t see what the relevance is of
talking about knowledgeC in terms of third-party perpetrators.

MS. AUGER: Your Honor, we’ll withdraw it. I think we have what we need.

10-7.30.24 8.1.24 Three Day Hearing - Google Drive

drive.google.com

New testimony reveals headphones were plugged into, removed from Libby German's phone

A former FBI forensic examiner also took the stand Tuesday.READ MORE:Forensic consultant on bullet evidence testifies in Delphi double murder trialREAD MORE: D

www.wsbt.com

 

[INfisherman]

ZERO cell phone extraction training in the past FIFTEEN YEARS. That goes back to the iPhone 3G.

ETA extraction

 

[m00c0w]

How long did it take whoever did the first extraction to do it in 2017? Why, was she able to find this and he was not if the ability to do so was there back then?

2. Why is the data about power logs not available at all? Did the first guy miss a step or? Not write something down???

Not moo. Trying to understand so asking.

The full file system extraction had all of the relevant information, but the forensics software was lacking. KnowledgeC wasn’t discovered until mid-2018, so its inclusion in Cellebrite Physical Analyzer or Magnet Axiom or whatever forensics software (to be able to process the database) didn’t happen until late 2018-early 2019. It was considered a massive breakthrough at the time. Probably why they went back and re-analyzed the phone in 2019.

JMO

 

[FrostedGlass]

ZERO cell phone training in the past FIFTEEN YEARS. That goes back to the iPhone 3G.

No worry, she uses this:

https://cellebrite.com/en/glossary/knowledgec-database-knowledgec-db/

 

[m00c0w]

MOO
After learning of Stacy Eldridge's testimony, now we know why Nick jumped all over the mention of the Knowledge C database. Of course he saw the relevance.
The D got it in anyway. That's another one of those BAM things!

[snips from the 3-day hearings]

Q Now, what is your – can you tell the Court about knowledgeC, the
database?

A So, Your Honor, knowledgeC is a data –

MR. MCLELAND: Judge, I’m gonna object again. I just – I’m not
sure what – she can make an offer to prove. I don’t see what the relevance is of
talking about knowledgeC in terms of third-party perpetrators.

MS. AUGER: Your Honor, we’ll withdraw it. I think we have what we need.

10-7.30.24 8.1.24 Three Day Hearing - Google Drive

drive.google.com

New testimony reveals headphones were plugged into, removed from Libby German's phone

A former FBI forensic examiner also took the stand Tuesday.READ MORE:Forensic consultant on bullet evidence testifies in Delphi double murder trialREAD MORE: D

www.wsbt.com

How is having an objection sustained without even fighting to get the question allowed a BAM moment? Clearly they were not serious about third party perpetrators if they felt this was actually a solid piece of information and just let it get suppressed.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

I hope they assert the van was something only the killer would know because I think that would then allow the D to show how prevalent this was online where Wala likely saw it years ago and in turn could have (likely did imo) provide it to RA.

I’ve been following the case pretty closely on various forums for over 7 years and never heard of the white van until trial. I don’t doubt it’s out there, but I doubt it was prevalent.

jmo

 

[m00c0w]

I do. What’s your training and background in them pls and thanks? I didn’t think you were a verified expert here so I’m wondering how and why you’d have seen any let alone hundreds of them? Thanks in advance.

I never claimed to be verified or an expert in anything. I answered a question that was asked of me. If you have any specific questions about Cellebrite extraction reports, I’ll be glad to entertain them and provide relevant allowed sources since I am not verified.