Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

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Sounds like the bodies were not there until after 10 imo. Moo.
Only if you rank a phone known to be malfunctioning even before it went through a creek and a former FBI now working as a PI's testimony above all the forensic evidence of the crime scene and the bodies. There's a big difference in postmortem changes between someone deceased for nearly a day versus thirteen or fourteen hours. There's no evidence the girls moved after they were killed there, in the early afternoon. Their bodies, the blood evidence, and the lack of evidence of them being removed or placed at the scene all adds up to one thing. They died there. And they died there not long after they were walked down the hill by a man holding them at gunpoint.

MOO
 
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How is having an objection sustained without even fighting to get the question allowed a BAM moment? Clearly they were not serious about third party perpetrators if they felt this was actually a solid piece of information and just let it get suppressed.

JMO
It seemed to me she wasn't too worried about it because she planned to introduce it at trial.
 
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How does a phone get from the car to the murder scene without steps, but is always turned on?

This is not possible
 
  • #404
I hope they assert the van was something only the killer would know because I think that would then allow the D to show how prevalent this was online where Wala likely saw it years ago and in turn could have (likely did imo) provide it to RA.
I'll respectfully ask you once again for a link to support your repeated allegation above about this white van being at the scene of the crime was public domain information for years please??

I'll note the Defence actually did bring up the white van from the social media gossip the other day in court ... and it turned out to be an alleged attempted child luring white van 30 miles outside of Delphi. Even the Defence didn't provide any such information ... and they certainly would have during ther opportunity to do so IMO.

No where near the crime scene at the time of the crimes (2:30pm OR 3:30pm - take your pick for the link I've requested above) and certainly not on the private driveway to interrupt Abby &Libby's killer.

You are accusing Dr Wala of 'feeding' that information to RA ("likely did IYO"); I'd like a link to support your allegation of fact that this van information of being on that private driveway at the time of the crime was publicly known.

Thanks in advance.

IMO.
 
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It seemed to me she wasn't too worried about it because she planned to introduce it at trial.
But the whole premise of that hearing was to get their pet theory allowed. That they’re still fighting to get allowed. It makes no sense that if it’s such a solid, irrefutable, massive piece of evidence that they wouldn’t have used it right then and there to try and push the needle over to getting odinism admitted.

If their strategy was they needed to drop this as a surprise in court, that should be pretty telling IMO.

JMO
 
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But the whole premise of that hearing was to get their pet theory allowed. That they’re still fighting to get allowed. It makes no sense that if it’s such a solid, irrefutable, massive piece of evidence that they wouldn’t have used it right then and there to try and push the needle over to getting odinism admitted.

If their strategy was they needed to drop this as a surprise in court, that should be pretty telling IMO.

JMO

Yes. I've made this argument as well. If you felt 3rd parties were so critical, why would you hold back? Unless it was always a hoax.

MOO
 
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First, this is the witness's opinion....
Second how does anyone know how long or short it takes for water, debris and blood to move in and damage a headphone jack?
And just from googling I learned it's a sensor in the headphone's port that gets corrupted. So you've got water, possibly blood and dirt under the weight of Abby's body. Sounds like a perfect recipe for something to happen with the phone. Wonder if there was there a frost that night too?
 
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#BREAKING: the defense in the #Delphi murders trial rests its case after several days of testimony.

@FOX59 | @CBS4Indy

That was it!!? Well I think the Prosecution should be next with some rebuttal testimony...maybe not as there's not a lot to rebut. So no inmates testifying on the stand? What was that all about then? Ridiculous, MO
 
  • #416
I don't understand. They haven't shown that RA wasn't there? He has no alibi. Have they poked a lot of holes in the prosecutions case?
They've not really said much IMO. Even the confessions... he could have still done it and prison and guilt just exasperated the confessions.
 
  • #417
I wonder if KA ever got on the stand.

Makes sense that they don’t want to give the prosecution too much time to come up with a solid rebuttal witness for the cell phone stuff.

Not trying to start any rumors but did KA ever return to the courtroom when it was noted she left?
 
  • #418
I’ve been following the case pretty closely on various forums for over 7 years and never heard of the white van until trial. I don’t doubt it’s out there, but I doubt it was prevalent.

jmo
I agree. There were many rumors about this case in 7 years and people throwing everything into the wall, dolls, stuffed animals at the crime scene, a car/van under the bridge, etc but no one knew that the reason for the girls and the killer had crossed the creek was because the kidnapper/killer was interruped by a white van and now we know that BW arrived in a white van in that time! That checked perfectly with Libby's phone. That's one thing only the killer would know IMO. I am tired of people make it seem like this it's not very important. It is IMO.
 
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But the whole premise of that hearing was to get their pet theory allowed. That they’re still fighting to get allowed. It makes no sense that if it’s such a solid, irrefutable, massive piece of evidence that they wouldn’t have used it right then and there to try and push the needle over to getting odinism admitted.

If their strategy was they needed to drop this as a surprise in court, that should be pretty telling IMO.

JMO
Nick objected.
She said she had what she needed.
Defense worked it in yesterday.
 
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