Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #212

[Davemac1]

Am I correct in remembering correctly that it was after the video image of BG was released that RA called in to LE to report he was on the bridge?

That is correct. Yes

 

[Seattle1]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854180801371361423

 

[Davemac1]

RA provided the information himself.

Not at specific times. His memory changed after he became a suspect.

 

[rickstyles84]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854180801371361423

Holy crap the defense kicked off the day resting?

We are close. Finally.

 

[MassGuy]

Not at specific times. His memory changed after he became a suspect.

Funny how that happens.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Not at specific times. His memory changed after he became a suspect.

He changed up again and told us in his confessions where he was.
Jury will have to decide which version of RA to believe.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Why didn't prosecution call her as a witness?
Of all the witnesses she is probably most qualified to articulate his actions and disposition in a reasonable timeframe before and after the murders occured.
They were still living together right?

Just guessing, the prosecution didn’t call her simply because they didn’t need to.

 

[katydid23]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854179618124620209

If the state, judge and jury was caught off guard about the D resting so soon, that's kind of unusual----usually they'd be updating every morning about how many witnesses remain, so the judge has a way manage the time. If it was a surprise, that could be one of two things.

Maybe the D purposely pretended to keep going---then suddenly quit so the P would not be ready for their rebuttal?

OR maybe the D just ran out of witnesses or decided to just quit while they felt they were on a high note?

 

[BUF]

If KA had made any questionable remarks about RA to LE, maybe they can be introduced by detectives in rebuttal? That way they could get them in without putting her on the stand?

 

[AugustWest]

Why didn't prosecution call her as a witness?
Of all the witnesses she is probably most qualified to articulate his actions and disposition in a reasonable timeframe before and after the murders occured.
They were still living together right?

Spousal privilege.

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[scapa]

Holy crap the defense kicked off the day resting?

We are close. Finally.

Yep.

This has been such a strange trial. Like soft night-music after all the noise of the investigation and pre-trial preparations.

I expect a guilty verdict, which will hopefully provide some limited relief to family and friends, but I wonder how that will be taken by those who've followed the case for years.

Setting aside whatever it was the D were trying to accomplish, was the state's case conclusive? Did it show that BG must = RA, and that only BG/ RA could have committed these brutal murders? Did it provide an account of a careful, meticulous investigation that correctly identified the perpetrator and then assembled and presented irrefutable evidence of those claims? Are we now satisfied BARD that RA is the murderer of A and L?

IDK. I've followed this case for a while, though not nearly as intensively as some here. I don't have any stake in the D zealous advocates /D scoundrels debate and just want to see justice done. Not sure how I feel about the trial we've watched unfold over the past weeks.

Soz for the real-time ramble -- still digesting today's events.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Yep.

This has been such a strange trial. Like soft night-music after all the noise of the investigation and pre-trial preparations.

I expect a guilty verdict, which will hopefully provide some limited relief to family and friends, but I wonder how that will be taken by those who've followed the case for years.

Setting aside whatever it was the D were trying to accomplish, was the state's case conclusive? Did it show that BG must = RA, and that only BG/ RA could have committed these brutal murders? Did it provide an account of a careful, meticulous investigation that correctly identified the perpetrator and then assembled and presented irrefutable evidence of those claims? Are we now satisfied BARD that RA is the murderer of A and L?

IDK. I've followed this case for a while, though not nearly as intensively as some here. I don't have any stake in the D zealous advocates /D scoundrels debate and just want to see justice done. Not sure how I feel about the trial we've watched unfold over the past weeks.

Soz for the real-time ramble -- still digesting today's events.

How are we feeling?
Me - mentally exhausted.
I cannot begin to imagine what the families, the jury, the media, are feeling at this point.

 

[arielilane]

@localguydonnie

Closing statements will take 2 to 2 1/2 hours in #Delphi. Special Judge Fran Gull will give a “gentle reminder” if it goes past 2 1/2. Defense has until end of today to submit its proposal for jury instructions on “how to judge #RichardAllen’s incriminating statements.”

Rebuttal witnesses from the prosecution and then closing statements likely tomorrow because the defense is working on its proposal for jury instructions. Since the State was caught off guard, they’re literally waiting for State witnesses to show up to the courthouse.


Okay, seriously have to put down the phone and mute notifications. It’s dentist time. But I imagine the concept of reasonable doubt in #Delphi will be a consistent theme in our discussions this afternoon on WIBC.

 

[Davemac1]

Amazed the defense didn't call any of Allen's friends or work colleagues to testify what a stand up fella he is?

Maybe he isn't?

 

[Snoop Sister]

Amazed the defense didn't call any of Allen's friends or work colleagues to testify what a stand up fella he is?

Maybe he isn't?

I wondered that as well.

 

[ClearAhead]

Trying to imagine being a juror - the D has tried to shape-shift the timeline but without knowing anything about RA’s activities later that same day, what’s the point? How does this create doubt of RA’s guilt?? Maybe he was up all night?

I’m left feeling the D decided some defense was better than none, even though it wasn’t really a defense at all.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

Amazed the defense didn't call any of Allen's friends or work colleagues to testify what a stand up fella he is?

Maybe he isn't?

And CVS time sheets for Feb 13th and several days following. Vacation/called in sick, instead we know nothing.

 

[somequestions]

Yes. Photo of BG was released on February 15, and RA tipped himself on February 16.

This was a strange element of the case. If the confession about Richard Allen seeing the man driving the van is true, it makes it even stranger. The confession makes it seem like he did not want to be seen by the man in the van.

What is even more interesting is that if Richard Allen had seen the photo of BG put out on February 15th, I am surprised he was so confident that coming forward would not lead to law enforcement looking into him. At that moment in time, how would Richard Allen know that there was no way the photo could be enhanced to see the person's face or determine the person's height in the photo? He had to suspect the still photo came from the phone of one of the girls based on his walking across the bridge. My guess is that he was trying to get ahead of being questioned. That would make some sense.

It was a very strange risk to take that seemed to work for about 5 and a half years. The only reason it took 5 and a half years was because the tip got misfiled and lost.

 

[ClearAhead]

This was a strange element of the case. If the confession about Richard Allen seeing the man driving the van is true, it makes it even stranger. The confession makes it seem like he did not want to be seen by the man in the van.

What is even more interesting is that if Richard Allen had seen the photo of BG put out on February 15th, I am surprised he was so confident that coming forward would not lead to law enforcement looking into him. At that moment in time, how would Richard Allen know that there was no way the photo could be enhanced to see the person's face or determine the person's height in the photo? He had to suspect the still photo came from the phone of one of the girls based on his walking across the bridge. My guess is that he was trying to get ahead of being questioned. That would make some sense.

It was a very strange risk to take that seemed to work for about 5 and a half years. The only reason it took 5 and a half years was because the tip got misfiled and lost.

RA couldn’t know for sure if he was recognized and he might’ve felt somewhat relieved that LE hadn’t come knocking at his door right away.

I suspect RA drank fairly heavily following Feb 13th. Isn’t that how every alcoholic copes with stress and makes their troubles go away?

I agree with others that it was his wife who urged him to report his whereabouts that day, especially if she thought he might’ve been the guy on the bridge. Dependent personality disorder and all, he’d do what she wished.

I can accept there’s many details of this case that we’ll never know for sure.

JMO

 

[steeltowngirl]

Amazed the defense didn't call any of Allen's friends or work colleagues to testify what a stand up fella he is?

Maybe he isn't?

I recall some discussion about character witnesses a few threads back. Are there legal conditions under which they can be admitted? I can't recall what we learned in the discussion.