GUILTY Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #220

[Boxer]

Actually he TOLD her that she knew he couldn't do the crime. He never asked, he told her what to believe.

So, given this MO she would attach to the next available gaslighters

 

[Megnut]

So, given this MO she would attach to the next available gaslighters

Iirc they met in high school. Before she was the age of consent. She probably practically encoded to him. She may well not know herself, apart from him.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

Actually he TOLD her that she knew he couldn't do the crime. He never asked, he told her what to believe.

He was waiting every time, it seemed to me, for her to validate what he was saying and she didn't...so he had to say it again, sneak a peek at his wife hoping for a vocal and demonstrative echoing that never came. He wanting her avid support on camera...nada. MO

 

[sunshineray]

Iirc they met in high school. Before she was the age of consent. She probably practically encoded to him. She may well not know herself, apart from him.

JMO

I heard low key zingers being said by KA, followed by RA's very loud "what?", because he was very tuned into her wall of doubts. I heard a wait a minute-ness a couple times from KA, about him being on the bridge and that not being what he told her. It shut RA right up, like a clam, mid-sentence. He wasn't sooo ticked off at Holeman for abusing his wife, it was for talking sense to his wife and making her doubt him. AJMO

 

[Sabex]

I'm just catching back up with this one as I've been away.

IIRC, Allen said he killed the girls with a boxcutter because a white van startled him and interrupted his plans to rape them.

At that stage, he probably could have just fled, assuming that at that point he had only marched the girls towards somewhere secluded where he could do the deed. Why didn't he just scarper? It would have at worst come down to a 'he said/she said' and he'd have probably gotten away with it without having to perform a double homicide.

I hate this case and everything about it. As a father of a teenage girl I just can't comprehend what those poor girls suffered.

 

[iamshadow21]

I'm just catching back up with this one as I've been away.

IIRC, Allen said he killed the girls with a boxcutter because a white van startled him and interrupted his plans to rape them.

At that stage, he probably could have just fled, assuming that at that point he had only marched the girls towards somewhere secluded where he could do the deed. Why didn't he just scarper? It would have at worst come down to a 'he said/she said' and he'd have probably gotten away with it without having to perform a double homicide.

I hate this case and everything about it. As a father of a teenage girl I just can't comprehend what those poor girls suffered.

I think killing them was always part of the plan, part of his fantasy. He brought both a gun and a knife. You only need one weapon to control. You bring two if you think the gun will get them where you want them, and the knife is what you actually want to use to kill them.

He had a LOT of knives at home. Like, nobody would ever need that many.

IN v. Richard Allen: Delphi Murders Trial

Richard Allen was sentenced to 130 years in prison for killing Abigail Williams and Liberty German just outside Delphi, Indiana.

www.courttv.com

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

I think killing them was always part of the plan, part of his fantasy. He brought both a gun and a knife. You only need one weapon to control. You bring two if you think the gun will get them where you want them, and the knife is what you actually want to use to kill them.

RSBM

I also feel the killing was always part of the plan. This wasn’t just a spur of the moment thing. His confession to Wala likely was just more minimizing what a monster he was, claiming the van startled him. He wanted her sympathy as well IMO, so he tells her a lie to make it seem more of a spur of the moment decision.

Always seems to be a mixture of lies with some truth with this guy.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

He was never going to let them go.

From the sounds of it, IMO he attempted to obscure his face and for sure his chin bramble from the group of juveniles.

Not so when approaching Abby and Libby. He was committed.

If it's true he had no foreknowledge they'd be there, it's possible he left the platform to follow BB but encountered the girls and then hatched his sick strategy.

RA said he thought they were older. NO, HE DIDN'T. Baby faces, baby voices. Instead of growing some DECENCY, he plowed forward, knowing they were little girls. Forced them to undress, fast and under threat.

About twenty minutes he was alone with them, that's a lot of time, and dreadful to consider. I don't doubt for a second the girls didn't plead -- for their lives. Let us go, we don't tell. Let Abby go.

Negotiating with a mad man. But he's also a raging coward. That Abby was dressed again tells me he was either considering letting her go or was using the fake promise of saying he'd let her go to control the situation, knowing full well he wouldn't. That Abby had Libby's pants on tells me that Libby and Abby were were working together, probably with just their eyes, because they had a phone. It was their only hope, their lifeline, and I don't think it was accidental that Abby was wearing Libby's pants and had the phone. I think they were working out a plan, outsmarting RA.

We will never know what the creek washed away, if there's even more to this already awful story, but I do think the arrival of BW's truck was significant. Is it why they crossed the river? I can't say for sure, but it was a panicked, chaotic event, with a lot happening, especially between 2:28 and 2:32. If RA saw/heard the truck, so did the girls. Only RA knows what happened and when, but it's also entirely possible he doesn't remember exactly. I think the truck snapped some reality into RA's day and he knew he couldn't let anyone go --

Horror.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

He was never going to let them go.

From the sounds of it, IMO he attempted to obscure his face and for sure his chin bramble from the group of juveniles.

Not so when approaching Abby and Libby. He was committed.

If it's true he had no foreknowledge they'd be there, it's possible he left the platform to follow BB but encountered the girls and then hatched his sick strategy.

RA said he thought they were older. NO, HE DIDN'T. Baby faces, baby voices. Instead of growing some DECENCY, he plowed forward, knowing they were little girls. Forced them to undress, fast and under threat.

About twenty minutes he was alone with them, that's a lot of time, and dreadful to consider. I don't doubt for a second the girls didn't plead -- for their lives. Let us go, we don't tell. Let Abby go.

Negotiating with a mad man. But he's also a raging coward. That Abby was dressed again tells me he was either considering letting her go or was using the fake promise of saying he'd let her go to control the situation, knowing full well he wouldn't. That Abby had Libby's pants on tells me that Libby and Abby were were working together, probably with just their eyes, because they had a phone. It was their only hope, their lifeline, and I don't think it was accidental that Abby was wearing Libby's pants and had the phone. I think they were working out a plan, outsmarting RA.

We will never know what the creek washed away, if there's even more to this already awful story, but I do think the arrival of BW's truck was significant. Is it why they crossed the river? I can't say for sure, but it was a panicked, chaotic event, with a lot happening, especially between 2:28 and 2:32. If RA saw/heard the truck, so did the girls. Only RA knows what happened and when, but it's also entirely possible he doesn't remember exactly. I think the truck snapped some reality into RA's day and he knew he couldn't let anyone go --

Horror.

JMO

Add to your post, there is psychopath element, in that he slit Abbys throat first and made Libby watch it happen.

 

[Megnut]

Add to your post, there is psychopath element, in that he slit Abbys throat first and made Libby watch it happen.

Sadistic that he stood there and watched them bleed out. That's next level evil.

 

[Gemmie]

He had a LOT of knives at home. Like, nobody would ever need that many.

IN v. Richard Allen: Delphi Murders Trial

Richard Allen was sentenced to 130 years in prison for killing Abigail Williams and Liberty German just outside Delphi, Indiana.

www.courttv.com

MOO

It borders on Aichmomania. (An obsession with knives and other sharp pointy things)

 

[INfisherman]

Sadistic that he stood there and watched them bleed out. That's next level evil.

Talk about next level…..his wife went through the interviews on 26OCT22 & then sat through the entire trial, saw all the brutality & evil, some of which no one will likely ever see, yet she stood by him & those pieces of garbage who support his lying & gaslighting. I just don’t see how a person ultimately decides that’s the route to go.

EM is a perfect fit for them.

MOO

 

[Megnut]

Talk about next level…..his wife went through the interviews on 26OCT22 & then sat through the entire trial, saw all the brutality & evil, some of which no one will likely ever see, yet she stood by him & those pieces of garbage who support his lying & gaslighting. I just don’t see how a person ultimately decides that’s the route to go.

EM is a perfect fit for them.

MOO

Iirc she chose not to be in the courtroom for the crime/scene autopsy photo.

Ignorance by choice. Intention denial.

Which IMO is the same as knowing.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

Iirc she chose not to be in the courtroom for the crime/scene autopsy photo.

Ignorance by choice. Intention denial.

Which IMO is the same as knowing.

JMO

Weasel...

 

[shonyakay]

I have now seen the Blue Carthartt coat found in the search of Allen's home. I do not think that is the jacket he wore that day. Where is the dark canvas type dark blue jacket RA was wearing in the November 2016 Facebook videos that his wife Kathy uploaded? I believe that is the jacket he had on when he committed these crimes.

I am now convinced he got rid of that jacket just like he got rid of his phone.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I have now seen the Blue Carthartt coat found in the search of Allen's home. I do not think that is the jacket he wore that day. Where is the dark canvas type dark blue jacket RA was wearing in the November 2016 Facebook videos that his wife Kathy uploaded? I believe that is the jacket he had on when he committed these crimes.

I am now convinced he got rid of that jacket just like he got rid of his phone.

Agree it makes sense to get rid of the muddy. bloody (DNA) clothes. I wonder if anyone in the family noticed that particular jacket missing?

 

[INfisherman]

Iirc she chose not to be in the courtroom for the crime/scene autopsy photo.

Ignorance by choice. Intention denial.

Which IMO is the same as knowing.

JMO

Precisely. She didn’t want to be reminded of what her precious monster had done. She knew on 26OCT he’d done it. Pitiful excuse for a human let alone a parent.

JMO

Weasel...

Putting it lightly, yes.

JMO

I have now seen the Blue Carthartt coat found in the search of Allen's home. I do not think that is the jacket he wore that day. Where is the dark canvas type dark blue jacket RA was wearing in the November 2016 Facebook videos that his wife Kathy uploaded? I believe that is the jacket he had on when he committed these crimes.

I am now convinced he got rid of that jacket just like he got rid of his phone.

Agree it makes sense to get rid of the muddy. bloody (DNA) clothes. I wonder if anyone in the family noticed that particular jacket missing?

KA likely recognized the clothing in the initial BG image. She’d have to put her head in the sand not to have somewhat recognized him.

Yes, everything but the gun was probably discarded. The only things he probably kept were the missing items from the girls & that round found in the keepsake box. IIRC KA even mentioned it briefly, as if she’d heard about for the first time. Admittedly, I could be biased in my thoughts about the round though.

JMO

 

[ClearAhead]

Interesting! Well RA surely would’ve been informed about this by his defense team - according to this below, his wife wouldn’t be allowed to testify about any “private communications” with him unless he gave consent for her to do so which certainly wouldn’t happen.

BBM

https://www.justanswer.com/law/j25b2-loophole-spousal-privilege-law-police.html

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I am here to help and will do my best to help you resolve your issue or determine what to do next. Please give me a moment to look into your question in order to provide you with the best and most accurate response.

There is no loophole. Spouses cannot be forced to testify against each other regarding private communications made during their marriage. The only way out is consent from the person accused of the crime. The spouse cannot choose on their own to testify, only the accused spouse can allow them to in spite of the spousal privilege.

 

[vls12345]

I have a different impression.

He is a practiced stone waller. We saw him do it with KA. Deny, deny, deny. Answer with questions.

That takes zero skill. Zero wits. 4 years olds do it. Did you take a cookie? Did I? No, I didn't. Are you sure? I'm sure. I didn't take a cookie. Chomp. Chomp. Swallow. I think you took a cookie. I didn't, you did.

RA could prattle on about every topic and time frame, at length and in great detail, until that pesky 2pm to 5pm span. Then he got very boring. Wasn't me. I didn't. I wouldn't. Anyone who knows me knows I wouldn't (even if I wanted to <----wha huh?). You say that, I didn't. I'm not going to say it again (while proceeding to say it again), I didn't do it.

Only difference was LE isn't KA so they weren't about to let him wear them out, wear them down, AND RA didn't have the benefit of 30 years conditioning them to say, "yes, dear". And hugs and 'I love you, Babe' wasn't going to work on them.

So he just kept repeating himself. Offered NOTHING that would lead toward trying to figure out what happened, no attempt even to sell another story. He just broken recorded it.

I suspect, on a good day, RA only has a couple cylinders firing.

Not the brightest mushroom in the forest

JMO

"Even if I wanted to."

I feel like RA fell back so securely into his gaslighting mode that he didn't even pay attention to his own prattle (even though the stakes were higher for him in front of LE). And, so, the words just rolled out, on & on, including "even if I wanted to" because (& I would place a bet on this) he likely slipped that phrase in routinely when gaslighting KA through the years.

JMO.

 

[Willow Knight]

I heard low key zingers being said by KA, followed by RA's very loud "what?", because he was very tuned into her wall of doubts. I heard a wait a minute-ness a couple times from KA, about him being on the bridge and that not being what he told her. It shut RA right up, like a clam, mid-sentence. He wasn't sooo ticked off at Holeman for abusing his wife, it was for talking sense to his wife and making her doubt him. AJMO

Yes! This hit me spot on. Exactly, the killer wasn't upset about his wife being abused, how dare someone other than him control her! Good insight!