Accident or Intentional; Evidence and Debate(MERGED)

Do you think ICA killed Caylee on purpose or by accident?

  • On purpose...

    Votes: 230 87.8%
  • It was an accident..

    Votes: 32 12.2%

  • Total voters
    262
Do you feel this being a DP case actually hinders the State? I wonder if the jury will be scared to vote Murder 1 fearing a DP from the judge. I think they may be more apt to go for stronger charges if DP wasn't on the table. It's something I ve been thinking about but haven't found a thread on.

I know one juror doesn't believe in judging, she didn't take notes or took very few during the prosecutions case, but Jean Casaraz says she has been taking notes a lot during the defense case. I think she is going to be a hold out, for the DP I don't know about the rest of the charges.
 
I am not convinced by any of the evidence that Casey intentionally killed Caylee and some of the evidence that was allowed into the trial doesn't seem to be fair. An example is the heart shaped residue that was noticed by an FBI witness which she showed to a supervisor but neither one of them photographs this piece of evidence. She is allowed to testify about it but the jury is expected to take her word that the heart shaped residue was there and it was from a heart shaped sticker that links back to Casey. That seemed to me to be no kind of evidence at all. Another piece of evidence that the prosecution used was the picture of Caylee AND Casey in which the witness made an animation (my word, I'm not sure what word to use here)of Caylee's skull to move over her little face and then put the duct tape over her face (beside the picture of Casey) to show the what they thought must have happened. This witness said he pulled a picture of Caylee off the internet to use. But he chose to use a photo of both Caylee (morphed into a skull with duct tape over her mouth and nose)and Casey side by side. It just didn't "sit right" with me because I felt that animation was not required at all to show their theory of what happened.

I just don't see anything that tells me that Casey planned and murdered Caylee Marie Anthony. I think that Casey caused Caylee's death (truthfully, who else was there?) but I don't believe she meant to kill her. I think she loved Caylee. I also think that if she wanted rid of her child, she would have just given her to Cindy and George.

I don't believe in the death penalty and it shocks me that so many people are so positive that they know that this woman is guilty of premeditated murder and that she should have her life terminated by the state.

Just my opinion



To address the heart shaped sticker...2 people from the FBI saw the sticker residue on the end of the duct tape...they informed the LE of this find, at that time LE returned to the scene and found the sticker...if the FBI had not informed LE of this they would not have gone back to look. The FBI found the residue before LE found the sticker...

I don't believe KC loved Caylee enough not to put her in a situation that was dangerous, I don't believe KC was molested and I think her so hideously vain and jealous the last thing she wanted was to give away her position in the family to her daughter.

There is little to redeem this woman, I think she caused the death of her child while using chloroform as a sleep agent, it was so unimportant to her she went out and partied with her friends and slept with her TL, I don't believe in ugly coping either.

She murdered her daughter, she would not have died if KC had not tried to assist her in getting to sleep, she put her life in danger and knew a possible outcome was death, she did it anyway.

That makes her guilty.

Oh, I also do not believe in the death penalty, I do believe in LWOP though and I think that is what she should get.
 
I did not vote yet because I think it is a combo of the two choices. I think it was 'accidentally on purpose.' I think she was angry at her folks for threatening to take custody. That would end her life as she knew it. All of her friends, including Tony, would know her secrets and lies. The parents were going to kick Casey out and choose Caylee over her. They wanted and loved Caylee more. That made Casey really angry. All of the love and attention was being lavished upon Caylee Marie, and NOT Casey marie.

Casey is lazy. But for years her parents have stressed how dangerous it was to leave the ladder up when Caylee is home. So all Casey had to do is pull out the ladder, leave the sliding door open, and then go in her room and get on her lap top. Simple really. Caylee did the rest herself.

But by then Tony had called and invited her to a movie dat night. Casey did not want to call 911 and start this ugly ball rolling. She decided to stall for awhile. Maybe she could set up a different scenario. Maybe she could set up a murder/suicide with her folks and she could throw the baby into the mix.

But first things first. On to her date night, then the next day, sleep in and hang out 'in bed' with her new boyfriend. Why spoil a good thing?

I always thought that's why the gate was open and the ladder up, she wanted it to look like Caylee drown in the pool but she realized that would take time and she'd be stuck in that house if she made it look like an accident.....couldn't have that, Tony was waiting so she throws Caylee in the trunk or in her playhouse in the yard to deal w/later. I remember the guy who owned the computer store said he say them that day, don't know if it actually happened that very day but he saw KC walking ahead of Caylee and she had to push the door open herself. I have wondered if KC was hoping Caylee would get snatched up by someone and that's why she wasn't helping Caylee get out the door.
 
I don't want her to die, I want her to spend the rest of her sorry life behind bars with NO CHANCE FOR PAROLE! The DP is too easy, not enough suffering, IMO. I want her to know the things she's missing out on. I want her to feel the heartache of not being loved, never to be married, never to have another child..I think a LWOP would be the best for this party hearty gal..JMHO

Justice for Caylee

I agree and I think the fact that George and Cindy will make a lot of money with book and movie deals (and rightfully so)... I think it will drive Casey INSANE while she sit's in prison and knows her family is getting money from this nightmare... that will be the best revenge.
 
31 days. That's the salient issue for me. In our culture, we bury our loved ones or even complete strangers, in timely and respectful manner. We (most of us) do the same for our beloved animal family-members

31 days during which, she claims, she believed her very young daughter had been kidnapped by a non-existent nanny. 31 days during which she concealed the truth from her parents. 31 days during which she exhibited non of the usual signs of grieving or distress and instead was photographed shopping with stolen money and generally behaving like a carefree, childless party-girl

Deliberate murder, premeditated murder, deliberate accident - I don't know. I simply want to see her removed from society and the gene pool
 
31 days. That's the salient issue for me. In our culture, we bury our loved ones or even complete strangers, in timely and respectful manner. We (most of us) do the same for our beloved animal family-members

31 days during which, she claims, she believed her very young daughter had been kidnapped by a non-existent nanny. 31 days during which she concealed the truth from her parents. 31 days during which she exhibited non of the usual signs of grieving or distress and instead was photographed shopping with stolen money and generally behaving like a carefree, childless party-girl

Deliberate murder, premeditated murder, deliberate accident - I don't know. I simply want to see her removed from society and the gene pool

Me too, the other day my dog went missing for 10 minutes. I was frantically looking while crying hysterically. If I was so worried about my dog I'll never understand why Casey wasn't upset about missing Caylee.
 
Right now, I'm leaning towards Caylee's death not having been intentional. Not an innocent accident, of course, but a death that occurred during a commision of a crime (aggravated child abuse).

Having said that... I'm also not convinced she didn't murder this child outright.

Innocent accidental drowning? I'm still waiting to see some evidence of that in court. So far, I've seen nothing.

One thing I AM certain of, is that Casey Anthony didn't give a rat's you know what about this precious child. Of that, I am thoroughly convinced.

JMO
 
Right now, I'm leaning towards Caylee's death not having been intentional. Not an innocent accident, of course, but a death that occurred during a commision of a crime (aggravated child abuse).

Having said that... I'm also not convinced she didn't murder this child outright.

Innocent accidental drowning? I'm still waiting to see some evidence of that in court. So far, I've seen nothing.

One thing I AM certain of, is that Casey Anthony didn't give a rat's you know what about this precious child. Of that, I am thoroughly convinced.

JMO

Here is why I just cannot take myself to a place to consider this death as an accident OR even consider death resulted due to a drowning of any nature.

At ANY point......2 mos in jail......6 mos in jail....1 year in jail....etc...

Casey could have said:

"I am ready to talk. Caylee died in an accident....Caylee drowned in the pool....."

Casey would STILL face the charges of lying to LE....and depending on her story, possible charges involving neglect....BUT NOT MURDER!

She could have even done this IF IT WASNT TRUE.....

Instead, she has chosen to continue to play "Catch Me If You Can...."

EVERY case involving MURDER where the perp has played this "Catch Me If You Can" has resulted in conviction....because they committed the crime.
 
You know, I used to maybe be able to think that what happened WAS an accidental drowning (but I always forget to think about the duct tape and computer searches) UNTIL I heard yesterday that ICA probably got her "story" from another inmate. Now I know without a doubt it was pure, unadulterated murder. All of the stories and theories the DT has tried to put out there over the past three years. Think about it, if it was TRULY an accident, why all the stories? Why all the trying to put the blame on others? NOPE - premeditated murder.
 
I could almost believe an "accident on purpose" with the ladder being put up or with KC just leaving Caylee in the pool while she texted her buddies. The big "BUT" for me is the duct tape on the baby's face. I do not believe that duct tape would stick to wet hair or to a wet, purging face.

Also, the chloroform in the air sample has convinced me that she really used it to sedate Caylee. I think KC had been sedating Caylee for a long time and keeping her in the trunk while she attended to KC business, hence the "nanny named Zanny". She may well have switched to chloroform only recently, after her research, because she realized the tranquilizers can leave telltale signals for a pediatrician or perhaps her source dried up.

She most likely didn't know how long the chloroform would keep Caylee asleep. How would any untrained person know how much chloroform to administer, aspecially to a child? I would think it was applied to a rag and held over Caylee's little face. The trouble is, I think that that kind of inhalant, quickly loses efficacy when the rag is removed. So she duct taped her mouth, thereby assuring that Caylee could not cry out if she awoke.

Do I think that she premeditated to kill her daughter? I think this is a blatant case of depraved indifference. It's the absolute epitome of child neglect, thus Felony Murder. I can be quite satisfied with LWOP.
 
I could almost believe an "accident on purpose" with the ladder being put up or with KC just leaving Caylee in the pool while she texted her buddies. The big "BUT" for me is the duct tape on the baby's face. I do not believe that duct tape would stick to wet hair or to a wet, purging face.

Also, the chloroform in the air sample has convinced me that she really used it to sedate Caylee. I think KC had been sedating Caylee for a long time and keeping her in the trunk while she attended to KC business, hence the "nanny named Zanny". She may well have switched to chloroform only recently, after her research, because she realized the tranquilizers can leave telltale signals for a pediatrician or perhaps her source dried up.

She most likely didn't know how long the chloroform would keep Caylee asleep. How would any untrained person know how much chloroform to administer, aspecially to a child? I would think it was applied to a rag and held over Caylee's little face. The trouble is, I think that that kind of inhalant, quickly loses efficacy when the rag is removed. So she duct taped her mouth, thereby assuring that Caylee could not cry out if she awoke.

Do I think that she premeditated to kill her daughter? I think this is a blatant case of depraved indifference. It's the absolute epitome of child neglect, thus Felony Murder. I can be quite satisfied with LWOP.

Wouldn't chloroform result in vomiting afterwards and wouldn't CA and GA have noticed this as well as the other after effects, such as very bad breath ?
 
Wouldn't chloroform result in vomiting afterwards and wouldn't CA and GA have noticed this as well as the other after effects, such as very bad breath ?

Not only that, but chemicals and duct tape applied to a child's face like that would probably leave a pretty noticable rash. MOO
 
Here is why I just cannot take myself to a place to consider this death as an accident OR even consider death resulted due to a drowning of any nature.

At ANY point......2 mos in jail......6 mos in jail....1 year in jail....etc...

Casey could have said:

"I am ready to talk. Caylee died in an accident....Caylee drowned in the pool....."

Casey would STILL face the charges of lying to LE....and depending on her story, possible charges involving neglect....BUT NOT MURDER!

She could have even done this IF IT WASNT TRUE.....

Instead, she has chosen to continue to play "Catch Me If You Can...."

EVERY case involving MURDER where the perp has played this "Catch Me If You Can" has resulted in conviction....because they committed the crime.

Even if Casey had come forward with a drowning story, I can't see the state letting her off on only child neglect charges. It would be an interesting question for the legal experts, but I still think they would have pushed for an aggravated manslaughter conviction. MOO
 
IMO, this is an intentional murder and this latest drowning theory is insulting to all who have to hear it. No one, NO ONE, is going to stay in jail three years and never say anything - unless they put DUCT TAPE around the child's mouth.

So how is KC going to tell LE anything when SHE KNOWS that if she tells them where Caylee is, they will find DUCT TAPE TIGHTLY WOUND AROUND HER FACE.

She held on to the Nanny story until there was no room left to support it and then went with the sexual abuse theory. She was angry at Lee during Frye hearings when he said he might have been lying to KC during the interviews. This justified her latest bs. George testified in front of Grand Jury so that justified whatever she wanted to say.

She cannot stand Cindy for NOT BACKING up her "story" and she displayed that by cryin in court afterwards - saying She never protected me and she is not going to now.

KC is going to go away for the good part of 60 years or forever. I don't think the death penalty will result.
 
I have always really hoped that Caylee's death was an accidental drowning. I have tried to interpret the facts in such a way that would support an accidental drowning and have tried to convince myself. In the end, it hasn't worked. There is just NO way around certain evidence, IMO. The duct tape is the main indicator of intentional murder, IMO. Plus... the 31 days and not calling 911. The thing that totally put me over to the side of intentional murder, though? ICA's own demeanor and actions in court. She does not come across as an innocent, AT ALL. She is GUILTY. And I'd be willing to bet that a REASONABLE jury sees the same thing that I do.
 
IMO there was way too much covering up and cleaning up and lying by family members ,code talk,no lie detector test wanting to be taken, to ever think this started as an accident. I want justice for Caylee and I don't care which family members get thrown under the bus because they all made their own bed as I see it, but maybe being thrown under the bus will break one of them to just tell the whole truth, which would include why they did what they did not just what KC did. Caylees memory needs the truth to be told and not in a book by someone getting money off it.
 
I voted for accident... :truce:

I don't think Caylee drowned in the pool! Nor do I believe GA was involved in any way. My thought (as i posted on another thread) is ICA used the duct tape to hold in place a cloth/rag soaked in chloroform over Caylee's nose and mouth to keep her from waking up. When ICA returned she found Caylee dead. ICA murdered her daughter due to negligence, but I do not think it was premeditated. I believe she just wanted her "asleep" so she could have her fun. I pray she is found guilty on all charges! LWOP works for me! JMO
 
I say on purpose.
Why would a person spend the last three years in a jail cell over an accident? Yeah I know that she has said she is affraid of her mother but she could have been placed in a safe house. Seeing and hearing the way she spoke with any and all who were investigating what happened to Caylee in the beginning, nope she isn't affraid of anyone or anything IMO.
Placing 3 strips of duct tape over anyones nose and mouth is on purpose period. Plus there is just no good explaination for any average person having chlorofrom.
 

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