Again: Where was Casey going for two years?

[songline]

If someone is pretending to be working and the work is not a job she can tell her parents about the lies begin,
and so does the cover up.
I still think she was wrapped up with some escort service / brothel.
she wrote about that on her my space and that is no longer available for us to view.
I think that is where the baby hung out with her too.
Just hope someone will talk but thier fear would be of being discovered too, doubt we will get anything.

IF ANYONE in her family knows about this it MAY be Lee, he was out there trying to find information
in the beginning.

 

[songline]

OK. Put yourself in GA's shoes. Your little granddaughter lives with you daily. One day you ask her about her day. Asking about Zanny the Nanny and she just gives you a blank look. Would you just let it drop, never to be mentioned again, or would raise a RED flag with you, perhaps the topic of conversation with the child's mother later in the night??????????? DUH!!!! How STUPID does GA think WE are???????????????????

I am sure it did start arguments, and I am sure that is one reason she did take Caylee with her so that they can not question her again.
IMHO Georges stupidity was staying with cindy, and also letting Casey out of the house everyday with Caylee.
If they were questioning Caylee, they knew something is wrong.

 

[marla]

Good grief ..
Casey was NOT an escort / hooker / "entertainer" / prostitute ..

IF she were, we'd have heard about it long ago ..

 

[Mind student]

IMHO, KC has had control over the entire family for years. Her
power increased once Caylee was born. KC knows the fear triggers
of each person in the family. It is much easier to give money and
put up with her abuse, than take a chance she might destroy the
family life as they knew it.
Mind Student

 

[Chilly Willy]

I think the big difference is Cindy/George were the main caretakers of Caylee and they all lived in the same house. There was no father in the picture so Cindy/George were next of kin. Let's say Casey got into a car accident and was hospitalized, Cindy/George would need a contact for the nanny. Cindy of all people (being a nurse) would know the importance of having an emergency contact number/residence of the nanny. After all, Cindy discussed having legal documents written to ensure they would get Caylee in the event of Casey's death....but never thought...hmmm how do we contact the nanny in an emergency. :waitasec: It doesn't make sense.

Just curious Chilly, if you had been in an accident when your children were young did anyone have a number or residence of your babysitter to contact?

Actually, other than my employer, no. My babysitter had contact numbers though, in case I didn't show up when I was supposed to after work.

I really don't see it as being all that astonishing that Cindy and George didn't have a number to reach Zanny. Caylee was rarely with the nanny, and when she was she always came home safe and sound. They may have asked repeatedly for the number, we don't know. Casey kept so much of her life secret from her parents, they were probably used to it and accepted it as normal.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Exactly!! My sister and I knew each other's daycare providers because we often had to drop off/pick up each other's kids. Grandmas sometimes came with to pick up the kids as well. As for KC dropping Caylee off to Cindy's work on the way to her imaginary job - didn't Cindy ever just say "I'll pick Caylee up when I get off work" ??

When Casey dropped Caylee off at Cindy's work, it was just for the last half hour or so of Cindy's work day. Why take Caylee to Zanny just to have Cindy pick her up there 30 minutes later? I think Cindy probably enjoyed showing Caylee off to her co-workers.

 

[essies]

Good grief ..
Casey was NOT an escort / hooker / "entertainer" / prostitute ..

IF she were, we'd have heard about it long ago ..

Marla, you're right-KC wasn't any of those things! KC was just using these guys to try to get out of her situation cause she was too lazy to go to school, work even a part-time job and miss a minute of partying! But, not to say that down the road she might have made the leap from HO to PRO!

 

[miimaa]

When Casey dropped Caylee off at Cindy's work, it was just for the last half hour or so of Cindy's work day. Why take Caylee to Zanny just to have Cindy pick her up there 30 minutes later? I think Cindy probably enjoyed showing Caylee off to her co-workers.

I'm sure Cindy did. The point is that no family members met the supposed daycare provider nor knew where she lived. I think it out of the norm that neither grandparent ever WONDERED or ASKED or OFFERED to pick up/drop off Caylee to daycare (see as how KC worked all those late shifts!).

There was no Zanny... but I sure wonder why G&C thought there was? Just because KC said so? Seems odd to me they wouldn't have had some questions of their own long before any of this happened.

 

[jeepgirlva]

OK. Put yourself in GA's shoes. Your little granddaughter lives with you daily. One day you ask her about her day. Asking about Zanny the Nanny and she just gives you a blank look. Would you just let it drop, never to be mentioned again, or would raise a RED flag with you, perhaps the topic of conversation with the child's mother later in the night??????????? DUH!!!! How STUPID does GA think WE are???????????????????

I think George was afraid to confront KC about anything he didn't want to ruffle the feathers of the high strung women in his house...NO balls that one..

 

[suspicious1]

Where was Casey going for two years?

My answer, she was going absolutely nowhere! She was doing everything she could do do nothing but sit on her butt stagnating, trying to keep herself a teenage girl who had nothing better to do than play on her computer, text on her cell and daydream about the new "hot" boy in her life. She was spinning her wheels getting nowhere while she saw friends make the transition into adulthood, they did things like have a real job, an apartment of their own, yet there sat Casey who built herself up with tales of her job, complete with make-believe co-workers and the pain of demands from her fake job.
The highlight in her miserable life was to pose for a camera so she could post news pictures of herself on-line. Wow- wasn't she just the coolist!!!!!!

I'm getting myself to worked up just thinking about what Miss Thang did so I better quit before I get a time-out.

VB

And that right there was the absolute truth!

 

[Chilly Willy]

I'm sure Cindy did. The point is that no family members met the supposed daycare provider nor knew where she lived. I think it out of the norm that neither grandparent ever WONDERED or ASKED or OFFERED to pick up/drop off Caylee to daycare (see as how KC worked all those late shifts!).

There was no Zanny... but I sure wonder why G&C thought there was? Just because KC said so? Seems odd to me they wouldn't have had some questions of their own long before any of this happened.

Being that we don't know what, if anything, the A's ever wondered or asked about Zanny, I can't comment on that part of your post.

It appears that when Casey 'worked' late shifts, Caylee was generally in the care of Cindy and George.

 

[Tracey276]

I can't agree more with the person who posted about claiming KC on the A's tax returns. KC would need to give her parents her w-2. And if KC wouldn't give it to them for them to claim her in the last year, I'm sure at least when Caylee was born, CA insisted on claiming her because she paid for ALL of Caylee's birth and their hospital charges. CA and KC at least fought about it, I'm sure.

That's interesting I wonder how KC got around that whole thing. UGH!

And I'm sorry it would get "way exhausting" to pretend to go to work all the time for that long.

I think it really was a combination of three things. !. Kc was very good at blowing up when her parents asked question. So, they'd drop it.

2. Ga and CA didn't want her to leave and take Caylee

3. Finally, Ga and CA really had their heads in the sand, as they do now. They're just not too bright either
Ok, that's kind of FOUR things. LOL!

 

[diz39]

Actually, other than my employer, no. My babysitter had contact numbers though, in case I didn't show up when I was supposed to after work.

I really don't see it as being all that astonishing that Cindy and George didn't have a number to reach Zanny. Caylee was rarely with the nanny, and when she was she always came home safe and sound. They may have asked repeatedly for the number, we don't know. Casey kept so much of her life secret from her parents, they were probably used to it and accepted it as normal.

I guess we all do things differently. When my girls were little, I had to list emergency contacts, aside from my husband and myself, as well as who would be permitted to pick up my children in the event that we could not. I listed both my mom and my sister in law, and gave them all the daycare information: name, address, administrators name, etc so that if there was an emergency, they would be permitted to get my girls. It seems counterintuitive that close relatives would not have such basic information.

As for the bold above, I don't understand that "Caylee was rarely with the nanny". Based on what KC was telling eveyone, Caylee was always with the nanny.:waitasec:

 

[Sundance]

OK. Put yourself in GA's shoes. Your little granddaughter lives with you daily. One day you ask her about her day. Asking about Zanny the Nanny and she just gives you a blank look. Would you just let it drop, never to be mentioned again, or would raise a RED flag with you, perhaps the topic of conversation with the child's mother later in the night??????????? DUH!!!! How STUPID does GA think WE are???????????????????

Ummmmm . . . . as stupid as they are?

Ridiculous isn't it, the cr*p they expect us to believe?

:bang:

 

[Sundance]

I can't agree more with the person who posted about claiming KC on the A's tax returns. KC would need to give her parents her w-2. And if KC wouldn't give it to them for them to claim her in the last year, I'm sure at least when Caylee was born, CA insisted on claiming her because she paid for ALL of Caylee's birth and their hospital charges. CA and KC at least fought about it, I'm sure.

That's interesting I wonder how KC got around that whole thing. UGH!

And I'm sorry it would get "way exhausting" to pretend to go to work all the time for that long.

I think it really was a combination of three things. !. Kc was very good at blowing up when her parents asked question. So, they'd drop it.

2. Ga and CA didn't want her to leave and take Caylee

3. Finally, Ga and CA really had their heads in the sand, as they do now. They're just not too bright either
Ok, that's kind of FOUR things. LOL!

Hi Tracey . . . I don't have a link handy, but Casey had actually been working when she got pregnant with Caylee, and had insurance when she was born.

It wasn't until around April 2006 that she was terminated for never coming back to work after Caylee's birth.

You know, I've been thinking about it, and during one of the jail visits, Casey is telling her parents about how she's going to get a good job when she came back home. Cindy's reply was "You don't have to work sweetheart".

I wonder if that's not what happened, if Cindy told Casey that at some time after Caylee was born, possibly meaning 'don't worry about work right now, just take care of Caylee'.

As in a temporary thing, just for a while, and Casey took her up on it, liked that setup, and hence, :innocent: the lies about a job began.

I wouldn't put it past her - looks to me like she pretty much dominated that household anyway.

I know this: If my daughter had stood at the trunk of my car, that she drove, in my driveway, at my house, where she and her child lived and were supported, and shoved my gas cans that she had stolen from my shed at me, and said "Here's your f*ckin' gas cans' to me, she would have had to pick her little butt up off the driveway before she said anything else.

You can take that to the bank - and therein lies a large part of the problem with LittleMissPantsOnFire - she lacked proper parenting that taught her what was acceptable and what was not.

By feeding and buying into her 'mistruths' her parents only strengthened the concept that she could do anything she wanted.

IMO of course.

Sundance

 

[Steely Dan]

I guess we all do things differently. When my girls were little, I had to list emergency contacts, aside from my husband and myself, as well as who would be permitted to pick up my children in the event that we could not. I listed both my mom and my sister in law, and gave them all the daycare information: name, address, administrators name, etc so that if there was an emergency, they would be permitted to get my girls. It seems counterintuitive that close relatives would not have such basic information.

As for the bold above, I don't understand that "Caylee was rarely with the nanny". Based on what KC was telling eveyone, Caylee was always with the nanny.:waitasec:

You're comparing apples to dirt. Your family IS functional!

 

[Jolynna]

IMHO, KC has had control over the entire family for years. Her
power increased once Caylee was born. KC knows the fear triggers
of each person in the family. It is much easier to give money and
put up with her abuse, than take a chance she might destroy the
family life as they knew it.
Mind Student

I agree.

Plus, it is not very hard to plant thoughts into a two year old mind. It isn't hard to plant words either.

I didn't find out unil after my divorce was final that my daughter's imaginary new friend "cousin JoEllen" was actually daddy's very real friend, Linda.

Casey could have told Caylee, "Let's go see Zanny" every time they headed for Ricardo's apartment. Casey could have told Caylee that ZANNY says to "color a picture" and given Caylee crayons and paper. Every piece of candy Casey gave Caylee could be from Zanny. So could little dolls and toys.

Cindy DID think Zanny had drums. She found out while Casey was in jail that Ricardo had drums, too.

IMO

 

[kageykaren]

I always keep in mind that silverback GA was a homicide cop! I don't ever want to look at him as being clueless and give him that satisfaction. When GA stated on LK that LE didn't let him help out in the investigation I wanted to scream you weren't stable 3 wks. into the investigation. You took the focus off of Caylee with your suicide talk. How selfish & manipulative. GA wasn't working, so did he just not care enough about the everday life of his grandaughter. Something just keeps eating at me that a homicide cop has instincts and his silencse addressing Caylee's babysitter if in fact he was silent showes he was apathetic towards Caylee and KC's whereabouts. GA wants us to believe Caylee had a special bond with him but his actions for the last 2 and a half years show a different picture of his behavior within the family unit. What kind of grandpa imbezzles from his own family. A sneaky as a fox one! Why do you think he feels more comfortable with Kid Finders verses a reputable missing children organization. I say birds of a feather flock together. It appears to me by GA's staement of following KC but she was too fast shows he new and probably for along time KC was hanging out in less than scrupulous places. We haven't heard of any of GA's close Orlando male friendships he may have had before KC killed Caylee, but we did here he enjoyed beer pong with the younger crowd. I can only go on what I seen and read but I don't buy GA was just and onlooker between to hard headed women(His words when being interviewed by LE. I'm sure he didn't play dead dog during their heated arguments. I'm sorry to rant on ga but I think he knows more about kC's activities over the last to years, he was a HOMOCIDE COP for gosh sakes. We have heard Kc was A shot girl but I found on a website that she worked as a Product Promotions Regualer for Bud Select Beer and Captain Morgan assigned to promo events to promote products. These jobs usually start about happy hour time into the evenning and your paid on spot. This is a legitimate job that she could have shared with the family even if mom and dad looked down on it. At this time I can't see from what we have learned that this type of job would upset GA then or now. After his last suicide remarks of wanting to put blame on darkveiled people tells me he has been wondering about some of the people KC involved herself with from moonlighting. I feel GA and LA are holding the clues to KC's life the last two years, and they never thought her actions and behaviors would lead to the murder of her daughter.

 

[sua_sponte]

It doesn't appear that Casey and Caylee spent many nights with (the imaginary) Zanny prior to Caylee's disappearance. She was not a full-time babysitter, just someone who filled in occasionally when Cindy and George were unavailable to watch Caylee. Cindy may very well have asked for her number or to meet her. We don't know. I think the "Zanny has a key" thing is something Casey told Cindy after Caylee disappeared.

I really have to question this opinion people have of Cindy as being controlling. It appears to me that her family walked all over her. :waitasec:

Chilly - I'm just curious. Do you still reject the idea that Cindy was controlling after hearing Annie's statement and learning more of the dynamics in that household?

To me, the issue is settled.

 

[cecybeans]

I noticed something in the latest document dump that makes me want to revisit this subject. It was in the interviews with Cindy's co-workers.

They said that Casey OFTEN come by Cindy's office to drop Caylee off when she (Casey) was "on her way to work". They said she was dressed "as if she was going to work" - whatever that means. I guess meaning not in shorts or jeans, flip-flops, etc. I believe someone said this would happen at least once per week or so.

Now, according to other information Cindy's normal work hours were usually until around 5 or 6 PM. So if Casey is dropping Caylee off at Cindy's office, it was BEFORE 5 or 6 PM, unleass Cindy was working late. And how late would Cindy be working with a 2 1/2 year old there with her?

So, was Casey going out partying and clubbing at 5 - 6 PM? Hardly, since the clubs don't get going until much later, say 9 - 10PM. And if she was going out partying, would she not need to change clothing somewhere? Work clothes are not club clothes.

This went on for TWO YEARS???? And neither George nor Cindy had ANY CLUE
that Casey did not have a job? I do NOT believe that at all!

Also, Cindy made statements to LE that Casey never was away from home overnight until right before she went "missing". Yet Ricardo stated that Casey AND Caylee stayed at his place numerous times. Wasn't that in March?

I still think Casey was "working" during those two years. I do not believe that Cindy and George fully supported all of Casey's financial needs for two years. She was getting money from somewhere and I do not believe she was stealing it for two years.

Any thoughts or input?

Depending on if and when the alleged credit card frauds took place, KC might have just opened credit cards, charged things, opened new ones to pay for the old, etc. That could account for at least half if not more of the supposed $45K or so that was supposedly incurred. I imagine that if she came home with groceries every once in a while and toys for Caylee, maybe G and C didn't look too closely at first and just assumed they were from money she had actually earned.