AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[otto]

It seems like JDT has successfully turned everyone around to focus solely on DW again. I find this interesting, especially since without her recent input, DW seemed to have nothing to do with Danni's disappearance.

 

[Alethea]

This DW must be quite a shady character if he tells a story about Danni forgetting her phone, and indeed her phone was found at The Dublin, but it was all a ruse so Danni could buy pot. Does this sound reasonable? Not to me.

No I think in this scenario she really forgot her phone. He was going with her to buy drugs, she realized she lost her phone, he turned around to go get it (before Dublin's closed at midnight) and she was going to meet him back at Dublin's/Ollie's after the deal was done. I don't think DW is shady. I just think he told LE where he and DNV were going near the Shell Station but didn't tell JDT.

I mean the exact story from him to JDT doesn't make sense either: he was going home, Danni was going to Ollie's, but Danni who works at Ollie's followed him by accident across town? It makes more sense to me that they were running an errand near the Shell Station and Danni never made it back.

 

[Alethea]

It seems like JDT has successfully turned everyone around to focus solely on DW again. I find this interesting, especially since without her recent input, DW seemed to have nothing to do with Danni's disappearance.

The outstanding question for me is why was DNV near the Shell Station period when every version of the story says they were going to Ollie's for dinner. I don't think we can say it doesn't matter if we don't know who Car 3 was. It's either a planned attacker, a random attacker, or an errand, but except for a random attack she's there at that location for a reason.

I don't think DW was involved, but I think he must know why she was across town at the Shell Station.

 

[otto]

The outstanding question for me is why was DNV near the Shell Station period when every version of the story says they were going to Ollie's for dinner. I don't think we can say it doesn't matter if we don't know who Car 3 was. It's either a planned attacker, a random attacker, or an errand, but except for a random attack she's there at that location for a reason.

I don't think DW was involved, but I think he must know why she was across town at the Shell Station.

Does that mean that she didn't flash her lights at him because she forgot her phone? They always planned to go to the Shell station and that's where she told him her phone was left at The Dublin, so he picked up the phone while she bought pot at the Shell station? Regarding pot, is it so dangerous to buy in Mobile that it happens at closed gas stations? Aren't pot sellers laid back users looking to make a little cash on the side?

I'm having a hard time piecing together any scenario where buying pot is so risky that it happens at a gas station and that someone can vanish while buying pot. Surely if Danni smoked pot she knew how to buy it without vanishing.

This whole drug theory just doesn't make any sense to me. DW as a criminal doesn't make sense to me either.

 

[otto]

The outstanding question for me is why was DNV near the Shell Station period when every version of the story says they were going to Ollie's for dinner. I don't think we can say it doesn't matter if we don't know who Car 3 was. It's either a planned attacker, a random attacker, or an errand, but except for a random attack she's there at that location for a reason.

I don't think DW was involved, but I think he must know why she was across town at the Shell Station.

I assumed that DW and Danni were going somewhere together, that it didn't really matter where they were going, but that she flashed her lights to alert him that something was wrong. He pulled off the highway at the next turnoff - which happened to be Shell. They had a 2 minute conversation about the phone, they decided to collect the phone, and he left.

Now it seems to be that he left, she remained at the Shell, he returned, they talked until 11:24, and then with an impossible timeline he was at The Dublin at 11:37 with her phone.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Does that mean that she didn't flash her lights at him because she forgot her phone? They always planned to go to the Shell station and that's where she told him her phone was left at The Dublin, so he picked up the phone while she bought pot at the Shell station? Regarding pot, is it so dangerous to buy in Mobile that it happens at closed gas stations? Aren't pot sellers laid back users looking to make a little cash on the side?

I'm having a hard time piecing together any scenario where buying pot is so risky that it happens at a gas station and that someone can vanish while buying pot. Surely if Danni smoked pot she knew how to buy it without vanishing.

This whole drug theory just doesn't make any sense to me. DW as a criminal doesn't make sense to me either.

I still do not think DW could be car 3. The timeline does not add up. I thought it could have been a planned meet up for pot at the Shell Station, DNV's contact which is why DW went back for the phone and DNV waited. Maybe it was a good central location known by the dealer? But then why would DNV and car 3 have split up after they left? I have not listened to the interview. @Alethea do you think LE did provide all the info JDT stated during the interview? Just your opinion of course.

 

[Mominmi]

Who originally said DV and DW barely knew each other? I personally think DW’s early actions look more like a married man not wanting to be caught with his PYT and his friends trying to cover for him. Now that’s not to say I think any of the three of the table of four group is guilty of disappearing Danniella although I guess they could have for many reasons I could imagine. I think the actions of others involved are more indicative they had involvement although again I’d have to just dream up the scenarios for motive. I’m not sure this is a case WS can have much impact due to so little fact amid so much rumor.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I noticed that too. It was a strange thing to say, but, I still think they were referring to getting drugs. They are 4 responsible hardworking young adults and made this mistake that may have cost one of their lives.

She refers to the 3 that were with DV as males. Everyone here probably already knows who they are, but I don't! Were they ever mentioned by name on any broadcast or article?

People present that evening depends on location we have: MK (female), RC (male) and DW (male). The person that was named this week I believe was also a female. I am not sure where 3 males reference is coming from as it doesn't fit with what we have heard so far from the FB crowd.

 

[AtticusFitz]

It seems like JDT has successfully turned everyone around to focus solely on DW again. I find this interesting, especially since without her recent input, DW seemed to have nothing to do with Danni's disappearance.

Yes. Well said @otto. And sadly this cycle of he said she said starts again.

BTW in this 'interview' TT is no longer in rehab but in jail. JDT says TT/DNV living together as friends at time of her disappearance while his FB page claims she was his girlfriend. This IMO has turned into a circus where the victim has gone missing in both the dialog and the process.

 

[AtticusFitz]

No I think in this scenario she really forgot her phone. He was going with her to buy drugs, she realized she lost her phone, he turned around to go get it (before Dublin's closed at midnight) and she was going to meet him back at Dublin's/Ollie's after the deal was done. I don't think DW is shady. I just think he told LE where he and DNV were going near the Shell Station but didn't tell JDT.

I mean the exact story from him to JDT doesn't make sense either: he was going home, Danni was going to Ollie's, but Danni who works at Ollie's followed him by accident across town? It makes more sense to me that they were running an errand near the Shell Station and Danni never made it back.

In the interview JDT managed to interject the idea that DNV has a history of losing or misplacing her phone. I wonder if any of DNV friends can verify this all to be true. Whether true or not it masterfully gives easy out on choice to have person take the phone to PF Changs vs her or family driving to meet person that has phone.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I'm having a hard time piecing together any scenario where buying pot is so risky that it happens at a gas station and that someone can vanish while buying pot. Surely if Danni smoked pot she knew how to buy it without vanishing.

This whole drug theory just doesn't make any sense to me. DW as a criminal doesn't make sense to me either.

I think the drug buy theory makes sense at the Shell and it didn't have to be pot, it could have been any drug they wanted for that evening. I seriously question DW as Car 3 due to timing/distances needed to be traveled. So, I assume Car 3 is not DW.

But maybe you are correct that the drug buy happened as planned but that what happened to DVN occured beyond the Shell station and not as the result of Car 3? Alternatively, what if Car 3/drug dealer said to DNV that they didn't have the drugs with them and they needed her to follow them to another location and it was at this location that DNV was disappeared? We haven't known from the beginning the role of Car 3. Car 3 could have been simply drugs or it could have been an integral part of a plan to disappear DNV IMO.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Who originally said DV and DW barely knew each other? I personally think DW’s early actions look more like a married man not wanting to be caught with his PYT and his friends trying to cover for him. I’m not sure this is a case WS can have much impact due to so little fact amid so much rumor.

I agree totally about inability of WS to help much with this case as the rumor factor is a very real issue. DV and DW have supposedly known each other for awhile mainly in her role as server but it also appears she may have partied with him in the past. By all accounts DW is an older guy that likes to party with younger women.

 

[AtticusFitz]

More like this?

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Yes. Easy drive from Shell station.

 

[AtticusFitz]

It seems like JDT has successfully turned everyone around to focus solely on DW again. I find this interesting, especially since without her recent input, DW seemed to have nothing to do with Danni's disappearance.

I was also quite stunned with the statement that everyone is a suspect vs. the repeated statements about certain people being cleared. I truly believe that the only person that MIGHT be getting any solid information from MPD is JV. To spend more time on FB/JDT statements of gossip, FB messages, personal opinion to me simply seems to be a fools errand. The reality is that none of these people speaking or being spoken about have been cleared publicly by LE.

 

[Keyedin]

Does that mean that she didn't flash her lights at him because she forgot her phone? They always planned to go to the Shell station and that's where she told him her phone was left at The Dublin, so he picked up the phone while she bought pot at the Shell station? Regarding pot, is it so dangerous to buy in Mobile that it happens at closed gas stations? Aren't pot sellers laid back users looking to make a little cash on the side?

I'm having a hard time piecing together any scenario where buying pot is so risky that it happens at a gas station and that someone can vanish while buying pot. Surely if Danni smoked pot she knew how to buy it without vanishing.

This whole drug theory just doesn't make any sense to me. DW as a criminal doesn't make sense to me either.

Who said they were buying pot? It could have been anything. JDT says surveillance tracked them to the point that DW turned and went towards where he said he was going and DNV went towards a more populated area and suggests midtown. This makes me think they are tracked back to old shell road. DW turns to go to Dublins, DNV goes towards midtown. Midtown itself has since very questionable areas. Robberies, carjacking, assaults, and drugs aren't uncommon or shocking.

JDT's interview gave me the impression LE maybe knows where this is headed with her statement they are building a case. If they've not released known places after the shell or additional witnesses I should think it's because they do not have enough to support their theory. They've likely been watching the area and are gathering enough evidence that a search warrant or arrest would hold up.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I'm going to listen now. I think this raises even more questions than it answers. Who was this boyfriend? Where was he on 7/18? What did TT think about DNV having a child with another man?

I stuggle to understand the TT/DNV relationship dynamic as described by JDT in interview. History of volatile relationship is known to be characterized by DV and drugs, now living together as 'friends' in DNV apt, co-parenting CT with 'no issues', DNV pregnant with ex-BF baby, open adoption happened with no issues. I suppose stranger things have happened but how many people would want to live with an ex while pregnant with somebody elses child while allegedly being 'friends' with the ex? I find this all quite difficult to understand but it seems a bit too 'Ozzie and Harriet' to me to ring remotely true IMO.

DNV worked hard (at times up to 2 jobs) to afford own apt and then a car. Why would she want to support or provide housing for someone who appears to be an unreformed addict and who also appears to have been on their way to prison for repeated drug offenses? Could this just have been the DV cycle being repeated yet again? The 'friends' story just doesn't ring true in my mind. I think its possible to be 'friends' with an ex particularly when co-parenting is involved but then to be living with them in a small apt too? But if the only place TT could afford to live is some homeless shelter then perhaps DNV felt sorry for him as not having housing options, particularly if he is not working or unemployable? Doesn't make sense IMO.

I just don't see how to the DNV goals list picture has a place in it for TT and everything that was still very much a part of his life? Knowing what we know now from the latest JDT interview I wonder if the goals list really was a part of DNV life or if she was going back to the way things might have been in the past? I realize progress isn't always linear but how hard would it be for DNV to accomplish any of those goals with TT living with her even if 'as a friend'. TT for what its worth on FB claimed DNV as his GF as time of disappearance which makes the JDT statements even more confusing and even JDT herself admitted that she wasn't privy to much of anything regarding the TT/DNV relationship. Any ideas?

 

[AtticusFitz]

This new drug theory is interesting, but if Danni ran into trouble with drug dealers that she phoned on July 17, why haven't police gone straight to the drug dealers to find Danni and her car?

Its possible that they might know who but not know where they are IMO. I keep trying to understand why we are seeing none of the things we typically see with a missing case. The only thing that might make sense is that they know who they are looking for but are building their case and waiting to capture them. Or, they have someone in custody on other charges and are looking to build a case against them for DNV disappearance. I keep looking for MPD action in terms of search and have seen nothing other than what happened at Dykes property with JCD. The Chief said they searched around the area of the Shell station and sought out additional CCTV but beyond this we haven't seen much activity consistent with a typical missing case. Yet the Chief said that his best investigators are on the case.

 

[Cmpeezy251]

I agree totally about inability of WS to help much with this case as the rumor factor is a very real issue. DV and DW have supposedly known each other for awhile mainly in her role as server but it also appears she may have partied with him in the past. By all accounts DW is an older guy that likes to party with younger women.

I get the impression he’s a very social guy and is involved in a lot of local groups. He is a captain on a team in the sport league I play on.

Based on what LE is saying I do get the impression it had something to do with drugs, be it marijuana or something harder. Gone are the days of hippy dope dealers. These local guys specialize in the more potent marijuana as well as other drugs. If they see an opportunity to rip someone off they will. Even if you’ve done dealings with them numerous times. They know you aren’t gonna report them. I just keep getting the feeling that she was vulnerable. Beautiful girl all by herself on the not so good side of town. With her car being all over the posters and local news I don’t think it’s anywhere in town. A very credible person told me they have met up at that particular Waffle House (all waffle houses are popular meet up spots).

 

[Keyedin]

Also interesting to me- when giving the timeline of events leading up to the report coming, JDT left out that the reason for DW's call the second time was because TT called DNV's phone.

I also felt there was conflicting statements regarding the emotional state of both TT and CT.

First- CT cried every night, DNV stayed over frequently then CT didn't notice until almost a week later and wasn't as shocked because DNV wasn't there as often.

Second- TT has started strong and is moving on with his life. He's grieving the loss of his best friend and child's mother. She felt he already grieved the loss of the relationship last year. When the comment was made that this is probably worse, JDT said "yeah maybe" then made a statement that, to me at least, implied it wasn't and he was over it because they didn't have that relationship anymore- yet lived together? I think this would be pretty hard. She said she didn't know they'd broken up 6 months ago, so that makes me think they really didn't tell her very everything- even if it was something basic like that. However, she's said multiple times that they are split up and DNV was happy with how things were. So, I'm not sure how you go from knowing they weren't together and were getting along great to I didn't even know they weren't together.

Her statement about CT being out of town to visit family seemed a little unsure- but still on the fence about it. If we believe the YouTube video, TT didn't get home until July 25th, maybe he was somewhere in North AL? She didn't do until much detail in attempt to clear TT's name- which I would be doing if everyone is still a suspect.

ETA: knowing now they lived together, could the cash have been TT's and saying it was DNV's was easier than explaining why he had it?

 

[Jenatlmom]

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