AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[otto]

In the interview JDT managed to interject the idea that DNV has a history of losing or misplacing her phone. I wonder if any of DNV friends can verify this all to be true. Whether true or not it masterfully gives easy out on choice to have person take the phone to PF Changs vs her or family driving to meet person that has phone.

It seems that JDT has an answer for everything, from why she didn't bother to collect the phone and not reporting Danni's disappearance for 3-4 days, to implying that a laid back pot smoker might be responsible for Danni's disappearance. Since when do people meet at a closed Shell station to buy pot? It's not that shady, and clearly Danni knew where and how to buy pot without taking that kind of risk.

 

[Cmpeezy251]

You are amazing!! My favorite post today. And more reason to continue paying rent in the event Danielle returned. Everyone gave up so quickly.

I mean I don’t think anyone would’ve questioned or objected for her apartment to paid up a few months with some of the funds raised.

 

[otto]

Who said they were buying pot? It could have been anything. JDT says surveillance tracked them to the point that DW turned and went towards where he said he was going and DNV went towards a more populated area and suggests midtown. This makes me think they are tracked back to old shell road. DW turns to go to Dublins, DNV goes towards midtown. Midtown itself has since very questionable areas. Robberies, carjacking, assaults, and drugs aren't uncommon or shocking.

JDT's interview gave me the impression LE maybe knows where this is headed with her statement they are building a case. If they've not released known places after the shell or additional witnesses I should think it's because they do not have enough to support their theory. They've likely been watching the area and are gathering enough evidence that a search warrant or arrest would hold up.

We know that Danni used pot during childbirth 4.5 years ago, so pot use is a fact. There is nothing to support any other drug use, and Danni is not here to defend herself - best to stick with facts until we know otherwise.

I think it's unrealistic to suggest that pot sellers arrange for secret meetings at closed gas stations.

 

[otto]

I stuggle to understand the TT/DNV relationship dynamic as described by JDT in interview. History of volatile relationship is known to be characterized by DV and drugs, now living together as 'friends' in DNV apt, co-parenting CT with 'no issues', DNV pregnant with ex-BF baby, open adoption happened with no issues. I suppose stranger things have happened but how many people would want to live with an ex while pregnant with somebody elses child while allegedly being 'friends' with the ex? I find this all quite difficult to understand but it seems a bit too 'Ozzie and Harriet' to me to ring remotely true IMO.

DNV worked hard (at times up to 2 jobs) to afford own apt and then a car. Why would she want to support or provide housing for someone who appears to be an unreformed addict and who also appears to have been on their way to prison for repeated drug offenses? Could this just have been the DV cycle being repeated yet again? The 'friends' story just doesn't ring true in my mind. I think its possible to be 'friends' with an ex particularly when co-parenting is involved but then to be living with them in a small apt too? But if the only place TT could afford to live is some homeless shelter then perhaps DNV felt sorry for him as not having housing options, particularly if he is not working or unemployable? Doesn't make sense IMO.

I just don't see how to the DNV goals list picture has a place in it for TT and everything that was still very much a part of his life? Knowing what we know now from the latest JDT interview I wonder if the goals list really was a part of DNV life or if she was going back to the way things might have been in the past? I realize progress isn't always linear but how hard would it be for DNV to accomplish any of those goals with TT living with her even if 'as a friend'. TT for what its worth on FB claimed DNV as his GF as time of disappearance which makes the JDT statements even more confusing and even JDT herself admitted that she wasn't privy to much of anything regarding the TT/DNV relationship. Any ideas?

If TT had any legal right to live in Danni's apartment, why didn't he pay the rent in August? Why were her things tossed to the curb? If he lived there, he should have paid rent.

 

[Alethea]

I mean I don’t think anyone would’ve questioned or objected for her apartment to paid up a few months with some of the funds raised.

Or for Danni's half of the rent since presumably if TT was living "with Danni" in "their apartment" he was paying half of the rent and expenses. If he wasn't, he was living in Danniella's apartment being supported by Danniella.

 

[otto]

I get the impression he’s a very social guy and is involved in a lot of local groups. He is a captain on a team in the sport league I play on.

Based on what LE is saying I do get the impression it had something to do with drugs, be it marijuana or something harder. Gone are the days of hippy dope dealers. These local guys specialize in the more potent marijuana as well as other drugs. If they see an opportunity to rip someone off they will. Even if you’ve done dealings with them numerous times. They know you aren’t gonna report them. I just keep getting the feeling that she was vulnerable. Beautiful girl all by herself on the not so good side of town. With her car being all over the posters and local news I don’t think it’s anywhere in town. A very credible person told me they have met up at that particular Waffle House (all waffle houses are popular meet up spots).

I hardly think that someone looking to buy $10-20 worth of pot for an evening with friends is a robbery target. They make more money by keeping the customer than stealing $20.

 

[CabinFever]

If DNV and TT were "living together" in "their apartment" as "best friends," then why was Danniella evicted for non-payment of rent 30 days after she missed the first rent payment since she went missing?

Because he had been in jail for the month prior to disappearance and who knows how long after disappearance. So no income there.
I doubt he was released and went straight back to work, if ever.
You never hear anyone, (not even mom), say he is/was getting his life together....

 

[CabinFever]

I hardly think that someone looking to buy $10-20 worth of pot for an evening with friends is a robbery target. They make more money by keeping the customer than stealing $20.

this is why it's more reasonable to believe that it was more than just pot. She may not have been an addict at the time, but who knows what her attitude or thoughts were towards occasional usage. There's just so little to go on concerning who she really was.
MOO.

If (God forbid) I ever turn up missing; my friends and family better be screaming to anyone who will listen to every outlet possible, daily! They are welcome to tell anything about me they feel necessary to find me. My heart goes out to this poor young girl.

Here's something I was wondering; what if LE believes she's being held somewhere and they think if too much attention is drawn to her that maybe they would be more inclined to kill her? Is that plausible? I just don't know what to think at this point.

 

[otto]

I am still confident that DW was Car 1 and dropped what he was doing to go back to Dublins at 11:05 to get DNV's phone. Dublin's closed at midnight on Tuesday. If they both completed their errand near the Shell station before returning to Dublin's to get the phone, it may not have been open and DNV would not have her phone until it opened the next day. It makes complete sense to me that as soon as they realized her phone was missing, one of them would grab it before the bar closed. Particularly if DNV planned to stay out that night, she would need her phone to contact her friends.

It makes sense to me too, that, if they were meeting someone near the Shell for some reason, one person (out of DW and DNV) would go back to Dublin's to get the phone before it closed and one person would complete the errand. If they both turned around to Dublin's they may have stood up someone they were meeting with no way to contact them if they originated contact through DNV's phone before leaving Dublin's.

What if they were planning to meet at Waffle House but DNV flashed her lights to pull over early when she realized she forgot her phone. The person they were supposed to meet (Car 3) saw her across the street pull into the Shell Station so they left WH to pull in after her at the Shell.

I know Otto disagrees but I do think it can be important to know why she was over near the Shell. It would put either specific people or types of people in the vicinity at the time of her disappearance.

I agree that it is important to know why she was at the Shell, but at this time I am still accepting the explanation from DW that the stop is related to the forgotten phone.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Or for Danni's half of the rent since presumably if TT was living "with Danni" in "their apartment" he was paying half of the rent and expenses. If he wasn't, he was living in Danniella's apartment being supported by Danniella.

I believe your latter stmt to be true. TT by all accounts wasn't working, in and out of jail and is an addict. Most likely he was unable to live with JDT due to CT being there and most likely under supervision of some sort by State.

 

[AtticusFitz]

I agree that it is important to know why she was at the Shell, but at this time I am still accepting the explanation from DW that the stop is related to the forgotten phone.

I can see the initial stop at the Shell station being related to the phone situation.

But, what about Car 3?

Do you think:
Someone that knows her is following her from Dublin's/Known Stranger Danger? or
Total stranger danger situation and random - possibly sitting at Waffle House and saw her? or
Car 3 was at Shell because DNV or DW had contacted them to meet/Known Contact turned into Danger?

 

[otto]

I wonder if there was a missed call or text on the home screen of DV phone that shows up even when locked, and yes you can make a call by clicking on that, even with the phone locked. Maybe the pic of the baby/child was the screen saver SO DV had Danni’s phone and called that missed call, even tho he didn’t know who JDT was
As for him not dropping everything to take the phone to PF Chang’s, it’s beleiveable he got busy with his day and didn’t get around to it. He does have a job. So the day ended and he still had the phone so he called that number back.

That is a very good explanation for how he was able to contact JDT, and why he didn't become a delivery service for JDT.

It was more responsible for him to hold onto the phone until he returned it to Danni, or a 'trusted' family member. If the phone disappeared after he left it at the restaurant, would he have some liability (@Alethea) ?

 

[hotsytotsy]

I can see the initial stop at the Shell station being related to the phone situation.

But, what about Car 3?

Do you think:
Someone that knows her is following her from Dublin's/Known Stranger Danger? or
Total stranger danger situation and random - possibly sitting at Waffle House and saw her? or
Car 3 was at Shell because DNV or DW had contacted them to meet/Known Contact turned into Danger?

Having a hard time picturing the liklihood of a stranger danger scenario vs a known person danger scenario. Thinking about who, in DNV’s life, is seeming like the most unstable person, with a known rap sheet. IMO JMO

ETA: We are not hearing LE make announcements about public safety and stranger danger. IMO

 

[otto]

I am about half sick of people implying DNV to be something she wasn’t. Furthermore, as soon as we pretty much established DW’s alibi, something comes out about him and questions start up, but no fear TT was definitely in jail...... yeah about that, don’t believe it for a second.

This is the saddest thing I’ve seen, after that interview people are now back to questioning DNV’s drug use. Now She had a fling with a random guy and a baby was born (bet this story changes and is far less smearing) but her ex stayed in the apt. And they were BFF’s and co-parents.

DNV is a victim and it’s sad as heck to me the people on this forum are quicker to stick up and defend her than the people who “love” her.

It's good to call a spade a spade! Exactly, as soon as it had been demonstrated several ways that DW could not be Car 3, out comes a broadcast casting suspicion on DW with drug deals and all sorts of special effects.

Regarding Danni and drugs, as a victim friendly place, I completely agree with you. We know that Danni had cannabis in her system to give birth 5 years ago. It is possible that she may smoke a joint after 10 months of pregnancy related sobriety. Harder drugs - out of the question. There is not a single fact to support other drug use, and, in my humble opinion, speculation about other hard drug use is not victim friendly.

 

[otto]

Just to clear something up .. the highlighted area would be what is considered midtown. The Southeast side of the highlighted area tends to be a known drug haven. The Red Dot SouthWest is the Shell station. If LE really did see DNV heading towards a more populated area she would have taken Government Street towards downtown.

All of this is fine and good, but it by far does not explain the GPS going dead.

Good Question ! It doesn't explain the GPS, and it doesn't explain TT.

According to JDT, her son TT is mourning the death of Danni. That's odd. She's a missing person per police.

Why does he think that she is dead?

 

[Alethea]

That is a very good explanation for how he was able to contact JDT, and why he didn't become a delivery service for JDT.

It was more responsible for him to hold onto the phone until he returned it to Danni, or a 'trusted' family member. If the phone disappeared after he left it at the restaurant, would he have some liability (@Alethea) ?

I don't think he'd have legal liability in terms of the financial loss of someone's phone if he was acting as a good samaritan but he may have felt uncomfortable just dropping it somewhere based on what DNV said or did the last time he saw her. He may have been concerned that if something happened to DNV, the police would want to talk to him and he could at least say he had her phone and she never called it and no one else had access to it.

 

[Alethea]

I can't get past the suggestion that TT and DNV were together while DNV was dating and pregnant with another guy's child while TT and DNV lived in "their" apartment "as friends."

I feel like if I came home and told my husband I was pregnant with another guy's baby he just wouldn't be ok with it and want to continue living together as friends.

 

[otto]

A good bit, if I had to guess in his 40s. She was the youngest in the group. I’m sure he makes good money but I don’t think he’s extremely well off. I don’t think he is married although he does have a baby. I think she might’ve made a post on SM asking if anyone was going out that night or something along that line is what I read. DW and DNV are friends on FB. How well they knew each other is still unknown.

Yeah it seems like she was getting things in order, if she was working towards getting her daughter back full time it’s odd that she’d be allowing TT to live with her considering he does not appear to be on that same path.

I doubt that TT lived with Danni. Maybe she had some furniture in her house that he considered his, and that's why he was taking "his stuff" from her apartment in early August. Her stuff was tossed to the curb, but he removed his stuff.

Maybe TT's mom says that he lived there to explain him taking his stuff out of her apartment as soon as the rent was unpaid. If he really lived there, he would have taken her share of the rent and paid the full rent on August 1.

 

[otto]

Thank you for saying all this. Totally agree with you. IMO the latest JDT interview was mainly thinly veiled victim shaming while promoting the idea that everything was sunshine and rainbows in the T/D clan household and that TT had moved on with his life and his ex DNV and PS they were living together.

About the only thing I was convinced of in the interview was that JDT knew little about the TT/DNV 'relationship' and if that were the case then why not just say "I don't know"? The TT/DNV relationship appeared at best volitile and complicated and had been going on a good long time and had been characterized by drugs and violence and addiction in a vicious cycle. This story would have more credibility in my mind than the everything has been processed and we're all good statements that seem to characterize the current spin on the relationship. It might be believable that the relationship was on an even keel at the time of disappearance and that both parties had moved on if we weren't dealing with at least one party being an addict IMO. TT himself posted on FB that DNV was his GF when DNV went missing? I guess JDT doesn't follow TT on FB to get the 911 on his relationships?!

Was everything sunshine and rainbows in the T/D family as described by JDT? I'm not seeing how it could be. Down the street from the T/D family home the Dykes house where JCD lived with his father was raided by MPD SWAT throwing stun bombs along with a crew of 40 LE staff and 3 people were removed in handcuffs. How many families deal with something like this in their lifetimes? My guess is not many. Further, TT is a convicted felon with a history of DV and violence as well by all accounts an addict. TT by all accounts was awaiting sentencing following a series of at least 5 drug related charges including parole violations. At no time since this sad case has started has there been any evidence of honesty as to the location of TT. None. We have seen one story after another with zero proof of any information. I hope LE knows where TT was and I will leave it at that. But any family that is dealing with addiction and prolonged litigation with possible long term prison knows that this experience is not characterized by sunshine and rainbows IMO. The DNV ex-BF/recent baby situation couldn't have been easy on the family either as it would have been alot for any family to process especially with an existing 4 yr old child.

Sadly we haven't heard from the friends of DNV to find out how she had been doing with her plans to take custody of her daughter. Was she waiting for TT to go to prison to assert her custody case? We don't know. But looking at her actions she seems to have been heading in a good direction. She had an apartment, She had a car and She was working double shirts to save cash. What else might have been going on in DNV's life at the time she went missing? We don't know.

Can someone grab a copy of that interview please?

Information has gone missing fast in relation to Danni's disappearance. Someone needs to grab that before it disappears.

 

[otto]

Because he had been in jail for the month prior to disappearance and who knows how long after disappearance. So no income there.
I doubt he was released and went straight back to work, if ever.
You never hear anyone, (not even mom), say he is/was getting his life together....

That means that if he lived with her, he as freeloading.
I didn't see that in Danni's June 17 goals - "let convicted heroin dealer freeload while reclaiming custody of daughter"