AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[AtticusFitz]

BINGO. This is my theory.

Theory of what?

 

[AtticusFitz]

That's my experience as well. As long as DW was the primary target, the story about where he was, when he was there, and what he did remained the same. When we looked more closely at whether he could have been at The Dublin at 11:37 with the phone, and at the Shell at 11:24, the story changed quite a bit. Suddenly no one was at Ollies, and instead of DW stopping to talk to 2 of the four at Ollies for a few minutes, suddenly he had several drinks at Ollies.

I too will rely on the original information.

@otto I think this observation is very interesting in and of itself. Its easier to see the narrative switch happen when tracking how the narrative changes for a particular person (in this case DW) over a period of time based on other people doing the analysis of whether something is possible or not. I think so many have been so frustrated here with the changed stories or the theories that are presented just to see if they can stick to the wall IMO while others believe that we were being manipulated for whatever reason. But it was harder to pinpoint exactly how the narrative shifts were happening just by looking at the bigger picture as it was hard to see the trees from the forest. But by just focusing on the DK narrative it makes this just a bit clearer about what is happening IMO. So, thanks for the observation as it helped clear things up for me! I had two pages of track backed statements that went nowhere and then changed for whatever reason and this partially explains the why.

Following the narrative shifts for DW is so interesting I think as it makes what we have experienced with this case easier to see. DW was for whatever reason and early target by the FB Groups and he seemed to be a target up until the point that the timeline didn't support the theories.

When misdirection and narrative switches happen it usually makes sense to ask the simple question of WHY? LE and MSM confirmed information for me ONLY.

 

[theides]

Just got home from another Tuesday night out and about in Mobile (it is now 12:53 AM Mobile time). Plenty of people on the road on Hwy 90/Government Blvd in the area that she was last seen (tonight at least). I implore anyone out that night to think long and hard about if they saw DNV's vehicle. Check your dash cams. Check your home surveillance. Somebody, somewhere along the road had to have seen her. It would be crazy to me that nobody passed her in the time after she left the Shell with the way Mobile traffic is. All it takes is that one person to remember. Where are you, Danniella?

As a 25 year old woman in Mobile, this case hits me hard. It could be me. It could be any of my friends. Somebody knows something. Somebody has the key. Where are you, DNV?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Just got home from another Tuesday night out and about in Mobile (it is now 12:53 AM Mobile time). Plenty of people on the road on Hwy 90/Government Blvd in the area that she was last seen (tonight at least). I implore anyone out that night to think long and hard about if they saw DNV's vehicle. Check your dash cams. Check your home surveillance. Somebody, somewhere along the road had to have seen her. It would be crazy to me that nobody passed her in the time after she left the Shell with the way Mobile traffic is. All it takes is that one person to remember. Where are you, Danniella?

As a 25 year old woman in Mobile, this case hits me hard. It could be me. It could be any of my friends. Somebody knows something. Somebody has the key. Where are you, DNV?

It is great to have someone from Mobile, the same age as DNV to give perspective! Thank you very much!

 

[3dzer0]

Travel time plus park and retrieve phone is not doable in less than 13 minutes.

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Keep in mind that he sent a text at that time "saying" he was at Dublin's. We do not know where he was when the text was sent. He could have been 10 minutes away. Just a thought

 

[3dzer0]

Just got home from another Tuesday night out and about in Mobile (it is now 12:53 AM Mobile time). Plenty of people on the road on Hwy 90/Government Blvd in the area that she was last seen (tonight at least). I implore anyone out that night to think long and hard about if they saw DNV's vehicle. Check your dash cams. Check your home surveillance. Somebody, somewhere along the road had to have seen her. It would be crazy to me that nobody passed her in the time after she left the Shell with the way Mobile traffic is. All it takes is that one person to remember. Where are you, Danniella?

As a 25 year old woman in Mobile, this case hits me hard. It could be me. It could be any of my friends. Somebody knows something. Somebody has the key. Where are you, DNV?

I have driven this area 100s of times and the more I think about the events of that night the more convoluted everything becomes.

Try and follow along to understand my thoughts. Of course all of this is based on LE comments, JDT comments, DWs comments to JDT.

DW and DNV leave Dublin's and heads to run and errand. (drug buy, date night what have you.) They are driving down I-65 when DNV flashes DW to pull over. (This to me is a random non-planned event) DW pulls off at Government Street Exit and pulls into the first gas station. They discuss their options briefly and he leaves to go look for DNVs phone. (If we believe his story)

Now because this was a random stop, we shouldn't expect another vehicle to pull up and spend 20 minutes with DNV. DNV did stay there for a bit longer after DW left, maybe she was continuing to look for her phone?

To me this rules out a planned meeting. Because DNV does not have her phone to call the contact and tell them they are some place else.

So who is this third car? Someone that was following DNV and DW? The individual waited until he saw DW pull away and he pulled up. Maybe a jealous ex, or a stalker? Maybe this individual was under the impression that DW and DNV were going to hook up ..

This theory could help explain why the GPS was disabled *Shrug .....

I am so far out of ideas on this case, with zero information to work with it is near impossible to formulate a true workable theory.

 

[3dzer0]

So here is MOO on those involved with the case.

JDT - I have no reason to doubt what she is saying, she has given no indication that she is trying to hide anything. All I have seen from her is working tirelessly trying to find DNV.

JV- I am not sure about, regardless if she is DNVs mother or not her actions suggest she isn't that close to her. As a parent of 4 daughters myself, I can promise you my name would be all over the news looking to find information. She has gone weeks without lifting a finger (Even simple posts about her daughter missing) or making any attempt to help find her. I do not think she is involved in DNVs disappearance but isn't a caring helpful individual. Her public attacks on JDT and her family seem to be very misplaced. As much as I don't like someone I would be happy if they were helping to find my daughter.

TT - He most certainly has something to hide or appears to have something to hide. To this day we have heard numerous excuses as to where he was, Jail, Rehab, in a facility. I do not think JDT even knows the truth herself, but she needs to follow up on it and stop being secretive. We have all tried to investigate TT and have found zero supporting evidence he wasn't out and about that night. It amazes me that a simple comment from him about his location would clear him with the public anyway.

RC - I do not think is involved at all, just caught in a bad situation.

MK - I can't say for sure, but I do not think she was involved. There are still some questions about her but nothing major.

DW - He most certainly could be involved, but there is no way to be sure at this point. Comments that have come from him about the incidents of that night have come through JDT. I don't blame JDT if she didn't get all of the facts straight on what was shared with her. The information that was shared is most certainly suspicious, although it is known that he told LE much more than he told JDT. So possible ...

Again just my thoughts on this ... I really can't think if I left anyone out.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

I have driven this area 100s of times and the more I think about the events of that night the more convoluted everything becomes.

Try and follow along to understand my thoughts. Of course all of this is based on LE comments, JDT comments, DWs comments to JDT.

DW and DNV leave Dublin's and heads to run and errand. (drug buy, date night what have you.) They are driving down I-65 when DNV flashes DW to pull over. (This to me is a random non-planned event) DW pulls off at Government Street Exit and pulls into the first gas station. They discuss their options briefly and he leaves to go look for DNVs phone. (If we believe his story)

Now because this was a random stop, we shouldn't expect another vehicle to pull up and spend 20 minutes with DNV. DNV did stay there for a bit longer after DW left, maybe she was continuing to look for her phone?

To me this rules out a planned meeting. Because DNV does not have her phone to call the contact and tell them they are some place else.

So who is this third car? Someone that was following DNV and DW? The individual waited until he saw DW pull away and he pulled up. Maybe a jealous ex, or a stalker? Maybe this individual was under the impression that DW and DNV were going to hook up ..

This theory could help explain why the GPS was disabled *Shrug .....

I am so far out of ideas on this case, with zero information to work with it is near impossible to formulate a true workable theory.

I think this is a very possible theory. Once @Alethea and @otto have brought this up a few times. Someone following DNV not realizing she was following DW. When DW left, they pounced. If the road way is busy as @theides indicates, DW probably did not realize she was not behind him.

 

[adot0902]

This is what we know about when the GPS was disabled:

"The company where Vian purchased her car confirms the car’s gps pinged at the Dublin and then at the shell gas station on Government and I65 that night."​

Candlelight vigil for missing Mobile mom

I'm not believing that as 100% fact, if you look further down it looks like they were talking to "a source close to the investigation".... That was the next paragraph but NO where in the article is that confirmed by law enforcement, it's another round of this game of telephone. I'm sorry I just don't believe that happened either.

 

[otto]

car#2 (assumed to be Danni) and car #3 are together at the shell for 20 minutes, correct? Is this a typical amount of time for a prearranged drug buy, say, of marijuana?

Car 2 and 3 were together at the Shell station for 16 minutes.
It takes one minute to buy cannabis, however, we are not living in the dark ages where people go to closed Shell stations on the "shady" side of town to buy cannabis. There is no evidence that Danni used any hard drugs.

Danni's GPS was disabled at the Shell station. That could take 16 minutes.

 

[otto]

@otto I think this observation is very interesting in and of itself. Its easier to see the narrative switch happen when tracking how the narrative changes for a particular person (in this case DW) over a period of time based on other people doing the analysis of whether something is possible or not. I think so many have been so frustrated here with the changed stories or the theories that are presented just to see if they can stick to the wall IMO while others believe that we were being manipulated for whatever reason. But it was harder to pinpoint exactly how the narrative shifts were happening just by looking at the bigger picture as it was hard to see the trees from the forest. But by just focusing on the DK narrative it makes this just a bit clearer about what is happening IMO. So, thanks for the observation as it helped clear things up for me! I had two pages of track backed statements that went nowhere and then changed for whatever reason and this partially explains the why.

Following the narrative shifts for DW is so interesting I think as it makes what we have experienced with this case easier to see. DW was for whatever reason and early target by the FB Groups and he seemed to be a target up until the point that the timeline didn't support the theories.

When misdirection and narrative switches happen it usually makes sense to ask the simple question of WHY? LE and MSM confirmed information for me ONLY.

I came late to this discussion, so the first thing I did was read from the beginning - one thread over two months. The message throughout the discussion was consistent: DW and his "party train" were responsible for disappearing Danni and her car.

I initially bought into the idea that DW and friends were responsible for Danni's disappearance, and that DW was Car 3. The more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense.

In the last couple of weeks, when enough information was constructed to really question whether DW was responsible, and whether he could be Car 3, the story shifted. Essentially, 2-3 months after Danni disappeared, information about Danni's three friends shifted significantly in terms of where they were and what they did on July 17. For example, two of the friends who were initially at Ollies were no longer at Ollies, meaning that they could have been Car 3.

This shift seemed to be designed to re-focus on DW, and the modifications to the 'facts' push the theory that Danni, allegedly a regular cannabis user, was buying cannabis at a closed Shell station in the middle of the night. At the same time as buying cannabis, Danni and friends disabled the GPS on her brand new car and then she drove towards a populated area never to be seen again - presumably with the cannabis that she was allegedly buying to continue partying with her three friends. Throughout all of this, she did not have her phone and did not make arrangements to collect her phone.

 

[otto]

Keep in mind that he sent a text at that time "saying" he was at Dublin's. We do not know where he was when the text was sent. He could have been 10 minutes away. Just a thought

Before we question whether he was telling the truth about where he was at 11:37, should we also ask why he would lie to friends about something as simple as where he was and what he was doing - especially if he and Danni were on some sort of shady cannabis purchase where they intended to meet up with the two friends?

 

[3dzer0]

I'm not believing that as 100% fact, if you look further down it looks like they were talking to "a source close to the investigation".... That was the next paragraph but NO where in the article is that confirmed by law enforcement, it's another round of this game of telephone. I'm sorry I just don't believe that happened either.

Law Enforcement will NOT verify any information that they believe will be beneficial to their investigation. As of yet LE has not Officially Verified anything.

 

[otto]

I have driven this area 100s of times and the more I think about the events of that night the more convoluted everything becomes.

Try and follow along to understand my thoughts. Of course all of this is based on LE comments, JDT comments, DWs comments to JDT.

DW and DNV leave Dublin's and heads to run and errand. (drug buy, date night what have you.) They are driving down I-65 when DNV flashes DW to pull over. (This to me is a random non-planned event) DW pulls off at Government Street Exit and pulls into the first gas station. They discuss their options briefly and he leaves to go look for DNVs phone. (If we believe his story)

Now because this was a random stop, we shouldn't expect another vehicle to pull up and spend 20 minutes with DNV. DNV did stay there for a bit longer after DW left, maybe she was continuing to look for her phone?

To me this rules out a planned meeting. Because DNV does not have her phone to call the contact and tell them they are some place else.

So who is this third car? Someone that was following DNV and DW? The individual waited until he saw DW pull away and he pulled up. Maybe a jealous ex, or a stalker? Maybe this individual was under the impression that DW and DNV were going to hook up ..

This theory could help explain why the GPS was disabled *Shrug .....

I am so far out of ideas on this case, with zero information to work with it is near impossible to formulate a true workable theory.

That is the problem with DW choosing to stop at the Shell station because of Danni's phone - what was the other car doing there? The most obvious answer is that Danni was followed from the Dublin. If Car 3 was innocent, that person would have come forward by now. Instead, Car 3 is a mystery, Danni and her car are missing. Even if it was a cannabis deal, a small personal use drug sale is nothing compared to a missing woman and stolen car.

 

[cedgison]

So here is MOO on those involved with the case.

JDT - I have no reason to doubt what she is saying, she has given no indication that she is trying to hide anything. All I have seen from her is working tirelessly trying to find DNV.

JV- I am not sure about, regardless if she is DNVs mother or not her actions suggest she isn't that close to her. As a parent of 4 daughters myself, I can promise you my name would be all over the news looking to find information. She has gone weeks without lifting a finger (Even simple posts about her daughter missing) or making any attempt to help find her. I do not think she is involved in DNVs disappearance but isn't a caring helpful individual. Her public attacks on JDT and her family seem to be very misplaced. As much as I don't like someone I would be happy if they were helping to find my daughter.

TT - He most certainly has something to hide or appears to have something to hide. To this day we have heard numerous excuses as to where he was, Jail, Rehab, in a facility. I do not think JDT even knows the truth herself, but she needs to follow up on it and stop being secretive. We have all tried to investigate TT and have found zero supporting evidence he wasn't out and about that night. It amazes me that a simple comment from him about his location would clear him with the public anyway.

RC - I do not think is involved at all, just caught in a bad situation.

MK - I can't say for sure, but I do not think she was involved. There are still some questions about her but nothing major.

DW - He most certainly could be involved, but there is no way to be sure at this point. Comments that have come from him about the incidents of that night have come through JDT. I don't blame JDT if she didn't get all of the facts straight on what was shared with her. The information that was shared is most certainly suspicious, although it is known that he told LE much more than he told JDT. So possible ...

Again just my thoughts on this ... I really can't think if I left anyone out.

TT, according to himself in a FB message he sent to a friend, was in jail.

 

[otto]

I'm not believing that as 100% fact, if you look further down it looks like they were talking to "a source close to the investigation".... That was the next paragraph but NO where in the article is that confirmed by law enforcement, it's another round of this game of telephone. I'm sorry I just don't believe that happened either.

True, the article states that Pearl Motors, rather than police, confirmed the GPS pings at the Dublin and the Shell station.

Do you think that the car did not have GPS, that the GPS was not pinged at those locations, that the GPS did not stop transmitting at the Shell station, that Pearl Motors did not confirm this information?

 

[whatinthekentuckyhell]

TT, according to himself in a FB message he sent to a friend, was in jail.

In Alabama? Many people in here have searched and couldn’t find any sort of evidence to back that...

Not to question you.. it just seems like TT whereabouts are hear-say when an alibi such as jail is so easy to search online.. and we’ve all come up empty handed.

 

[Sd8503]

Pearl Motors has to be looking for the car too. Someone comes buys a car then the car disappears and it's not paid for. A few years ago my ex teenage brother in law got a Ford Ranger from a car lot in Texas. He came to visit us a few states away for a couple weeks wakes up and it's just gone! Call the police and it was repossessed and not stollen. They found it like 3 states away! We are talking about an old Ford Ranger that was financed for around 2 thousand dollars. I know her car was more. The fact that they haven't found it means it's hidden somewhere very well!

 

[otto]

Just got home from another Tuesday night out and about in Mobile (it is now 12:53 AM Mobile time). Plenty of people on the road on Hwy 90/Government Blvd in the area that she was last seen (tonight at least). I implore anyone out that night to think long and hard about if they saw DNV's vehicle. Check your dash cams. Check your home surveillance. Somebody, somewhere along the road had to have seen her. It would be crazy to me that nobody passed her in the time after she left the Shell with the way Mobile traffic is. All it takes is that one person to remember. Where are you, Danniella?

As a 25 year old woman in Mobile, this case hits me hard. It could be me. It could be any of my friends. Somebody knows something. Somebody has the key. Where are you, DNV?

Thank you for taking the time to drive in the area where Danni was last seen at the time that she vanished. I think you are right - that someone saw something, but they don't realize that what they saw matters. The delay in reporting her disappearance, and the long held position that this was some sort of wild party night gone wrong, may have contributed to people simply dismissing her disappearance as par for the course.

If someone had given a clear strong message on July 18 that a young woman had vanished from the Shell station at 11:24 PM the previous evening, witnesses might have come forward.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

That is the problem with DW choosing to stop at the Shell station because of Danni's phone - what was the other car doing there? The most obvious answer is that Danni was followed from the Dublin. If Car 3 was innocent, that person would have come forward by now. Instead, Car 3 is a mystery, Danni and her car are missing. Even if it was a cannabis deal, a small personal use drug sale is nothing compared to a missing woman and stolen car.

Great point. I did not think of this. If car 3 is innocent they would have come forward. Why would't they? CAR 3 knows the LE has them on video, not coming forward can only mean they were some how responsible.