AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[mks762]

Pearl Motors has to be looking for the car too. Someone comes buys a car then the car disappears and it's not paid for. A few years ago my ex teenage brother in law got a Ford Ranger from a car lot in Texas. He came to visit us a few states away for a couple weeks wakes up and it's just gone! Call the police and it was repossessed and not stollen. They found it like 3 states away! We are talking about an old Ford Ranger that was financed for around 2 thousand dollars. I know her car was more. The fact that they haven't found it means it's hidden somewhere very well!

BBM I hadn't even thought about that. I'm super focused on the disabled/damaged GPS but I wonder what lengths Pearl Motors would go to to locate a missing vehicle. I wonder if they have "private investigators" of sorts (repo men??) trying to track it down. She obviously still owed a good amount on it considering she had JUST purchased it. Maybe after this amount of time Pearl Motors just write it off as a loss??

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Pearl Motors has to be looking for the car too. Someone comes buys a car then the car disappears and it's not paid for. A few years ago my ex teenage brother in law got a Ford Ranger from a car lot in Texas. He came to visit us a few states away for a couple weeks wakes up and it's just gone! Call the police and it was repossessed and not stollen. They found it like 3 states away! We are talking about an old Ford Ranger that was financed for around 2 thousand dollars. I know her car was more. The fact that they haven't found it means it's hidden somewhere very well!

This is why I believe the statement that Pearl Motors indicated the last GPS ping was at the Shell Station. They would want to know where the car was. Not saying they are not concerned about a missing person but it would also be beneficial for them to help find the car.

 

[mks762]

Great point. I did not think of this. If car 3 is innocent they would have come forward. Why would't they? CAR 3 knows the LE has them on video, not coming forward can only mean they were some how responsible.

Do we know car 3 hasn't come forward? Maybe LE knows who car 3 is and car 3 doesn't want to come forward publicly because they see what's happened to DW and don't want their name everywhere as a suspect on SM.
OT sort of- has LE really not officially cleared ANYONE as a suspect still???? That just seems crazy this far into her disappearance right? I really wish we could get a PC

 

[Mauig’ma]

We’ve been told her car has onstar, correct? So I’m assuming it’s not a device that was added to the vehicle upon purchase. The vehicle already has onstar (on rear view mirror)and was just gps activated?

 

[3dzer0]

We’ve been told her car has onstar, correct? So I’m assuming it’s not a device that was added to the vehicle upon purchase. The vehicle already has onstar (on rear view mirror)and was just gps activated?

All of that is still up for debate.

We have heard OnStar but then it was a device that Pearl added to the car. So all we know factually now is that it was GPS and disabled, but nothing definitive on what system it was.

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Do we know car 3 hasn't come forward? Maybe LE knows who car 3 is and car 3 doesn't want to come forward publicly because they see what's happened to DW and don't want their name everywhere as a suspect on SM.
OT sort of- has LE really not officially cleared ANYONE as a suspect still???? That just seems crazy this far into her disappearance right? I really wish we could get a PC

You are correct. We do not know. And anything is possible.

LE has not made any public statements stating anyone has been cleared. I would hope if they cleared people they would make a statement. LE has done this in other cases.

 

[Mauig’ma]

All of that is still up for debate.

We have heard OnStar but then it was a device that Pearl added to the car. So all we know factually now is that it was GPS and disabled, but nothing definitive on what system it was.

I wish we knew for sure. It matters which kind. My dealership friend says some are easier than others. And some need to be disabled in the trunk of the vehicle.

 

[adot0902]

True, the article states that Pearl Motors, rather than police, confirmed the GPS pings at the Dublin and the Shell station.

Do you think that the car did not have GPS, that the GPS was not pinged at those locations, that the GPS did not stop transmitting at the Shell station, that Pearl Motors did not confirm this information?

I think there was no GPS and no GPS ping.... Until I hear it from Law Enforcement directly, it's a game of telephone that I put zero stock in, the story changes consistently especially when people figured out it was impossible for DW to be Car #3, if the facts never changed it would be so different. But the fact is the story changes to fit the narrative trying to be pushed. I don't really believe Pearl Motors told anyone other than the police anything. And furthermore we have NO idea if Pearl Motors is looking for the car or not, she could have put money in a savings account and had the payments pull from there, then Pearl Motors wouldn't care whatsoever. I 1000000000000% do not believe the GPS was disabled or destroyed, I think that is so foolish, if it were true the police most likely would have confirmed it, and if they didn't there would have been searches.

 

[Vail]

I’m sorry but how do we know she smoked pot again? Was it stated somewhere that I missed?

Casual perusal of her social media/social media circles, her patronage of Mellow Mushroom (clothing of which she was also wearing when she disappeared), past reports, admission from JDT and her court docs. We do not know for sure she was smoking it recently or at all on Jul 17, the "what were they really doing at the Shell" scenario is mostly a constructive speculation exercise.

 

[Keyedin]

I still stand by DW could have been Car 3. Being car 3 doesn't mean that he had anything to do with her disappearance, it doesn't mean his story as told isn't less true, and it doesn't mean there was a voluntary disappearance.

11:24 leaves gas station, assumes she's behind him. Estimated travel time 12-14 minutes.

11:37- 13 minutes later- gets to Dublins- whether he was already there or not is unknown- to retrieve phone. He could have realized at any point along the way she was not behind him. The text confirming the Dublins at 11:37 was in response to the question of "what time did he get to Ollies". It looks suspicious because it makes it look like he didn't go to Ollie's at all if the response was he was at Dublins at 11:37. I assume it's because that was a hard-fast fact that could be confirmed via phone records. Alleged that DW waited about 20 minutes at Dublins before heading to Ollies, getting there around midnight. Unknown whether 20 minutes waited was from the time he got there or time he retrieved the phone.

11:57- Using the 20 minutes from the time he got to Dublins, includes retrieval of phone- heads to Ollies. I'd think probably he would have waited until Dublins closed at 12 honestly and then headed to Ollies thinking the wires were crossed. Estimated travel time at that time per Google maps is 7 minutes.

12:04/12:07- Arrives at Ollies. Hangs out for a while. Unknown what time he left.

1:00 AM- returns rental car and goes home.

I think the Shell station cluster could be- he pulled in and she couldn't find her phone. Offered to go look for it, realizes before actually leaving- hey this is a closed gas station with poor lighting off of the main highway- maybe I should wait while she looks. Seems odd it would take that long to look for a phone in a new car that probably had little to no clutter in it and confusing as to why he wouldn't have just called the phone to determine whether it was in the car- or maybe he did. Maybe they were trying to get RC/MK to go look before he went all the way back. There's a lot of reasons- whether they make sense to us or not- it took that long.

The drug theory has hung around because there was evidence of her using marijuana over the years and there are some indications that TT was also at some point a user/dealer. Whether she did anything harder than marijuana or not is unknown, but it doesn't change the fact that it's still illegal here. It doesn't change that there have been numerous drug busts/raids over the last several months, so dealers/users are likely more careful. It has hung around because the timeline as told felt questionable. I think most people felt like DNV/DW had a plan- whatever it may have been- and that he was not just driving along completely clueless to the fact that she was behind him. It has hung around because the state of the GPS was questioned- there doesn't seem to be any confirmation as to what happened to it. Did it malfunction? Did it get disconnected? Was it manually, intentionally powered down? Onstar can track cars regardless of a subscription, but if the dealership was the one that tracked the car did they use OnStar or did they use an aftermarket GPS?

Day 11: Mobile mom still missing, few answers .."no GPS, ti was turned off. No pings."

Candlelight vigil for missing Mobile mom "the company where Vian purchased her car confirms the car's gps pinged at the Dublin and then at the Shell gas station.."

Also, based on this article, I'm not sure that OnStar would have been able to release location information to the dealership for privacy reasons since they are not the registered owner and/or LE. OnStar Tracks Your Car Even When You Cancel Service They state that they can maintain the connection post-service cancellation, UNLESS, the customer says otherwise. If it were OnStar, could it have been maintained up to the point that Vian purchased the car and at that point cancelled because the dealership had their own way to locate vehicles? If it was a dealership GPS- what triggers a ping? I still have this feeling that the ping is triggered by some event and I keep leaning towards the car being started. If the ping occurs upon ignition then, IMO, it only serves in support of the DW story/timeline. Car pinged when she started the car at Dublins, pulls into the Shell and out of habit or just because, turns the car off. Car pings again when she starts it to leave at the gas station. They head towards Dublins- depending on the route, there are plenty of red lights in which something could have happened.

Again- did she tell him she needed gas or needed to swing back by her apartment before heading to Ollies? Is there a reason he would have expected her to be longer getting to Dublins? It would be helpful to know what time the car pinged at the Shell- was it when she first got there or just at some point during the duration of the stop?

Just a few stories of interest- https://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2017/10/mobile_teen_convicted_of_shoot.html- This lady was in her car on her way home from Mellow Mushroom in Midtown. While stopped at a red light, a group of 7 attempted to break in her car. When they couldn't get in, one shot her, hitting her in the face.
https://www.fox10tv.com/news/female...le_81cab531-43c3-58a3-a909-477334bf1a5d.html- Woman driving on Cody Road around 10:30 pm when two vehicles passed her and began shooting at her vehicle.
Man shot in vehicle in Mobile, car crashes into tree Man shot in his vehicle at an intersection causing him to crash into a tree.

 

[mks762]

Casual perusal of her social media/social media circles, her patronage of Mellow Mushroom (clothing of which she was also wearing when she disappeared), past reports, admission from JDT and her court docs. We do not know for sure she was smoking it recently or at all on Jul 17, the "what were they really doing at the Shell" scenario is mostly a constructive speculation exercise.

BBM just FYI Mellow Mushroom is a really delicious pizza chain. Has literally zero to do with smoking pot. In fact it's a very family friendly restaurant.

 

[cedgison]

In Alabama? Many people in here have searched and couldn’t find any sort of evidence to back that...

Not to question you.. it just seems like TT whereabouts are hear-say when an alibi such as jail is so easy to search online.. and we’ve all come up empty handed.

This isn't going to help and it won't clarify anything, but he didn't say where; only what for.

 

[3dzer0]

I think there was no GPS and no GPS ping.... Until I hear it from Law Enforcement directly, it's a game of telephone that I put zero stock in, the story changes consistently especially when people figured out it was impossible for DW to be Car #3, if the facts never changed it would be so different. But the fact is the story changes to fit the narrative trying to be pushed. I don't really believe Pearl Motors told anyone other than the police anything. And furthermore we have NO idea if Pearl Motors is looking for the car or not, she could have put money in a savings account and had the payments pull from there, then Pearl Motors wouldn't care whatsoever. I 1000000000000% do not believe the GPS was disabled or destroyed, I think that is so foolish, if it were true the police most likely would have confirmed it, and if they didn't there would have been searches.

Whether if you believe it or not, there was in fact GPS on her car. I'm not sure why this is such a sticking point for you, regardless if the GPS was on or off, it is obviously not working now and her last known whereabouts is the Shell Station.

All in all it makes no difference at this point.

 

[Vail]

Why is the GPS disabled at the Shell station?

1. She did it herself on purpose
2. A perp did it while executing a pre-mediated crime
3. Spider

My recollection was that most people on thread 2 believed there was a reason for her to stay at the shell vs DW. If she knew Car 3 vs DW not knowing Car 3 and this was important for whatever reason then what happened made some sense given that Car 3 pulled in shortly after DW left and stayed for a good while. Are you implying that at the time DW left the Shell that she was incapacitated and unable to go get the phone herself? Is your theory that one person from Car 3 drove DNV car out Shell with DNV in passenger seat and the car headed in the direction of Midtown/Downtown?

My theory is that Car 3 is involved in Danni's disappearance. Now I'm trying to figure out who they might be and how they fit into her life.

car#2 (assumed to be Danni) and car #3 are together at the shell for 20 minutes, correct? Is this a typical amount of time for a prearranged drug buy, say, of marijuana?

If you know the dealer, you might sit there and smoke one with them before parting ways. Nowadays I can only imagine this kind of deal happening because it was spur of the moment and was the most convenient/fast way to exchange.

I came late to this discussion, so the first thing I did was read from the beginning - one thread over two months.

I'm glad you did, you're perspective is valuable.

That is the problem with DW choosing to stop at the Shell station because of Danni's phone - what was the other car doing there? The most obvious answer is that Danni was followed from the Dublin. If Car 3 was innocent, that person would have come forward by now. Instead, Car 3 is a mystery, Danni and her car are missing. Even if it was a cannabis deal, a small personal use drug sale is nothing compared to a missing woman and stolen car.

She could have arranged the meetup right before leaving Dublin's, leaving the phone behind by accident. Any potential drug buy is just scene-setting - I believe the motive there would still be robbery. There are some very interesting scenarios in which being followed can make a lot of sense though...

 

[cedgison]

Do we know car 3 hasn't come forward? Maybe LE knows who car 3 is and car 3 doesn't want to come forward publicly because they see what's happened to DW and don't want their name everywhere as a suspect on SM.
OT sort of- has LE really not officially cleared ANYONE as a suspect still???? That just seems crazy this far into her disappearance right? I really wish we could get a PC

They have not publicly cleared anyone; however, people have been cleared.

 

[Vail]

They have not publicly cleared anyone; however, people have been cleared.

Thank you of your tolerance of us continuing to grind away at them until LE informs the media

 

[Chelly]

This isn't going to help and it won't clarify anything, but he didn't say where; only what for.

It will clarify a lot. Seeing official documentation of TT detention during time of JDV's disappearance will substantiate his alibi.

 

[cedgison]

BBM Disagree. It will clarify a lot. Seeing official documentation of TT detention during time of JDV's disappearance will substantiate his alibi.

You may have misunderstood. What I said was that my statement/TTs statement won't clarify anything as it doesn't give where he was incarcerated; only what for.

ETA: In other words, I still have no way to prove it/where. However, I do have a screen shot of him telling someone that he was incarcerated at the time of DNVs disappearance.

 

[Cmpeezy251]

Could it be possible that the gps pinged other places after Shell before being disabled, but Pearl Motors was instructed not to say where. Seeing as LE has not stated that they have any additional CCTV showing DW & DNV parting ways or the direction she might have been heading. JDT knew she was at the Shell station because she was told by DW so they just decided to give out that info... if only LE knows which way she was headed and they got a tip that corroborated they would know how how credible it was... I keep wondering here lately if she wasn't taken as a message to someone else, maybe that's why nobody has spoke up.

 

[SuziQ]

We’ve been told her car has onstar, correct? So I’m assuming it’s not a device that was added to the vehicle upon purchase. The vehicle already has onstar (on rear view mirror)and was just gps activated?

IMO, the dealer would not have access to on star info. But they would have access to a finance related gps kill switch type system. It appears that is what Pearl Motors does with the low credit customers.

I still think it's odd that the car was near Pearl motors when the GPS stopped sending a signal.