AL AL - Danniella Vian, 24, Mobile, 17 Jul 2018 #4

[Keyedin]

Information on black boxes and how they work:

Automobile Black Box Laws | LegalMatch Law Library

 

[otto]

3/8/93 is correct.

[Edited because I typed incorrect info. My apologies!]

3/8/93
month/day/year, or
day/month/yar
March 8 or August 3?

 

[cedgison]

3/8/93
month/day/year, or
day/month/yar
March 8 or August 3?

March 8 1993

 

[cedgison]

Good question. Regardless, Danni's GPs was transmitting from The Dublin to the Shell station. I wonder if they have tracked any other OnStar customers taking the same route and the GPS not being disabled at the Shell station.

Yes, that black box thing that was in Danni's car when she drove it off the lot earlier that day was not in her vehicle at 11:24 PM on July 17.

Who knew that she had a new car? Who knew that the new car had a GPS?

Who could have been in Car 3?

I, truly, am not asking in relation to Danni’s car; it was a curiousity I had. LE has told JDT that the GPS that was disabled was the one for OnStar.

 

[cedgison]

The black box in an airplane does continue transmitting, even from the bottom of the ocean for a time. The OnStar GPS in Danni's car should have tracked her car from the Dublin, to the Shell station, and then to the next destination. Even without an OnStar subscription, the car dealership could track the car.

There's something about disabling her car on the spot at the Shell station between 11:08 and 11:24 that is somewhat spectacular in terms of on-the-spot knowledge and skill.

The problem is that a signal from Danni's car was transmitted until she was at the Shell station at 11:08, and between then and 11:24, it stopped working.

Who was with her at the Shell station after DW returned to The Dublin to collect her phone? Who would have a reason to follow her from The Dublin until she was vulnerable and alone?

Could that 15-20 minutes have been spent reading the manual for the car, though? There are 3 places in the manual (chapters 7, 10 and one other place towards the back) that, when you read them & out the info together, would make disabling the OnStar GPS easily understandable. I don’t own a GM vehicle but I have read those parts of her manual and bet that, if I had a car like hers, I could disable it fairly quickly. And I’m not mechanically inclined at all.

 

[cedgison]

I mean, we have no right to the information if it's not public. And that's fine. But I work based on evidence. I shared the custody litigation because I thought it provided us with more evidence about possible areas of strain in DNV's life. I looked for some remand or sentencing document so I could prove TT was in jail or a court-ordered secure facility and we could all move on but I do not see anything in the public record. I mean he was arrested for another crime while in a halfway house so I think it should be pretty obvious why we are asking if the "rehab facility" was secure and court-ordered or not.

My heart goes out to TT as he's obviously struggling with addiction. It is a disease and it takes a village to stay clean and sober when you have addictions. I hope he can continue to put his sobriety first and become the parent his daughter needs.

I hope it's clear that no one here is asking these questions to be a jerk. Many of us have our own struggles and we understand the hell substance abuse can be.

I’ve never struggled with substance abuse but I can see where knowing for sure/having proof would ease everyone’s minds. But we wouldn’t be able to have the rehab admission/release dates per HIPAA. JDT may not, either, unless he signed a document stating that she could be given that info.

 

[otto]

I mean, we have no right to the information if it's not public. And that's fine. But I work based on evidence. I shared the custody litigation because I thought it provided us with more evidence about possible areas of strain in DNV's life. I looked for some remand or sentencing document so I could prove TT was in jail or a court-ordered secure facility and we could all move on but I do not see anything in the public record. I mean he was arrested for another crime while in a halfway house so I think it should be pretty obvious why we are asking if the "rehab facility" was secure and court-ordered or not.

My heart goes out to TT as he's obviously struggling with addiction. It is a disease and it takes a village to stay clean and sober when you have addictions. I hope he can continue to put his sobriety first and become the parent his daughter needs.

I hope it's clear that no one here is asking these questions to be a jerk. Many of us have our own struggles and we understand the hell substance abuse can be.

And you absolutely succeeded in exposing the strain in Danni's life in relation to the father of her daughter. The father accused her of being an unfit mother on the basis that she tested positive for cannabis during childbirth. Since that is not normally tested during childbirth, I'm going to guess that she confided in him and he used it against her.

The question of motive is still in the air. Was this about custody, the car, a young mother, a drug deal? So many questions.

 

[cedgison]

It seems to be more than addiction. Perhaps someone can correct me, but I thought this was something like dealing heroin

He has dealt & used in the past; I’m not sure if he still does. His charge in June 2018 was not drug related.

 

[AtticusFitz]

It seems to be more than addiction. Perhaps someone can correct me, but I thought this was something like dealing heroin

Correct. @Alethea alluded to this issue in comment above about TT being arrested for another offense while in a halfway house.

The overall annual cost of maintaining a habit to even a relatively cheap drug like meth is substantial and so most non employed addicts resort to theft and other means from generally those around them until that doesn't work any longer and then they branch out into other types of crime according to the articles I've read on the topic. Dealing is also another income opportunity for addicts especially to support addiction to more expensive drugs.

 

[AtticusFitz]

And you absolutely succeeded in exposing the strain in Danni's life in relation to the father of her daughter. The father accused her of being an unfit mother on the basis that she tested positive for cannabis during childbirth. Since that is not normally tested during childbirth, I'm going to guess that she confided in him and he used it against her.

The question of motive is still in the air. Was this about custody, the car, a young mother, a drug deal? So many questions.

I think your range of possible motives is spot on. I keep going back to the Chief PC and how he almost seemed to be speaking to someone specific in his commentary. I wonder if someone or a gang possibly carjacked DNV because of a debt owed by someone close to her that for whatever reason wasn't getting paid? Maybe drugs or Maybe gambling? Pure speculation on my part. But I keep going back to your original idea that someone was either meeting her at the Shell or had been following her from the Dublin and so thought she might have been carjacked for something that someone else did? IDK. Just a theory.

 

[otto]

I’ve never struggled with substance abuse but I can see where knowing for sure/having proof would ease everyone’s minds. But we wouldn’t be able to have the rehab admission/release dates per HIPAA. JDT may not, either, unless he signed a document stating that she could be given that info.

Proof of what?
Proof that after TT was released from jail in mid-June he was not in communication was anyone until 2.5 weeks ago when he was release from "rehab"?

In his rehab (where is that?), are there uncontrolled incoming and outgoing phone calls? JDT called TT on July 18 early morning, and TT called DW right away?

Apparently TT knew on the morning of July 18 that Danni is missing, and according to his mother, he is in mourning.

I wonder why he thinks that she is dead.

 

[AtticusFitz]

Proof of what?
Proof that after TT was released from jail in mid-June he was not in communication was anyone until 2.5 weeks ago when he was release from "rehab"?

In his rehab (where is that?), are there uncontrolled incoming and outgoing phone calls? JDT called TT on July 18 early morning, and TT called DW right away?

Apparently TT knew on the morning of July 18 that Danni is missing, and according to his mother, he is in mourning.

I wonder why he thinks that she is dead.

This situation is turning into a farce IMO. The idea that basic facts such as those you mention in your post cannot or will not be confirmed by the Mobile 'family' lead me to seriously question whether they want DNV found? None of these questions are particularly difficult if the top priority is finding the missing person IMO.

Given what we have experienced on the entire topic of additional information on TT, to me it just makes sense to move forward with the idea that he had access to communication tools/phone and so far as we know had zero alibi. We have kindly asked the same questions any number of ways and have received next to no information that is useful. This is all absolutely ok as sharing information is clearly a choice by the Mobile 'family'. I believe LE has researched this issue completely and we just might have to put trust in them doing the due diligence as I don't think anyone here has been able to demonstrate an alibi for TT.

 

[cedgison]

Proof of what?
Proof that after TT was released from jail in mid-June he was not in communication was anyone until 2.5 weeks ago when he was release from "rehab"?

In his rehab (where is that?), are there uncontrolled incoming and outgoing phone calls? JDT called TT on July 18 early morning, and TT called DW right away?

Apparently TT knew on the morning of July 18 that Danni is missing, and according to his mother, he is in mourning.

I wonder why he thinks that she is dead.

Deleted because the emoji didn’t work.

 

[cedgison]

I’m going to bed. Y’all have fun continuing think I’m withholding info. I’ve given you what I have and then some and it’s not enough.

 

[Alethea]

I’m going to bed. Y’all have fun continuing think I’m withholding info. I’ve given you what I have and then some and it’s not enough.

We have asked one question from the very beginning: when was TT released from jail?

You either do not know the answer, or you do not want to answer the question. HIPPA and rehab have nothing to do with when TT was released from police custody. Maybe even JDT doesn't know. Maybe no one wants to know.

That's fine. But we don't have to just believe what you say when it is contrary to public court records. If you are going to keep "correcting" us that what we are discussing isn't true, you are going to have to provide the evidence or a simple answer to a direct question. Otherwise, you'll continue to just talk at us instead of having any real conversation.

JDT stated that TT called DW on 7/18. If that is true, he was not in jail.

 

[Alethea]

The thing is, I'm a defense lawyer. The best thing that happens to me in my job is when I have a concrete piece of irrefutable evidence that shows my client could not have committed the alleged crime. That doesn't really happen that often but it's really great when it does. From that point on, it doesn't matter what my client says, because I know he was in another city at a board meeting and could not have possibly been in his office making a trade from the office's IP address. It doesn't matter if he's a jerk and unlikeable and everyone else really wants him to be the perpetrator because he's just such a jerk and it seems like something he would do. It wouldn't matter because it would be physically impossible for him to be two places at once and I have proof.

When that happens, I don't argue to prosecutors that he's a really good guy, trust me, he would never do something like trade on inside information. I don't argue about how sad he is that someone else in his company may have violated a rule. I don't cheekily proffer that he may have been eating a Chicago Style Hotdog, wink wink.

I say directly that from March 10 - March 13 he was in Chicago giving a live-streamed presentation to shareholders with these named colleagues and a replay of which can be viewed at this web address. And by the way here's his plane tickets, hotel receipt, and credit card showing all of his purchases in Chicago.

If, instead, my client was hanging around the office and totally could have executed the trades, we're back to arguing he's a family guy, look at this honest face, do you think this hard-working guy looks like a cheater? He rescues kittens! He thinks he was getting a pretzel at the time the trades were executed but oh sorry that pretzel vendor is no longer on that corner so I guess no one can verify it but I swear he was getting a pretzel- he loves pretzels! Who doesn't love pretzels?

 

[ChiCubs2016]

Also I believe he was at the first vigil, very early on. I will go back and look. But if anyone remembers, please confirm.

Proof of what?
Proof that after TT was released from jail in mid-June he was not in communication was anyone until 2.5 weeks ago when he was release from "rehab"?

In his rehab (where is that?), are there uncontrolled incoming and outgoing phone calls? JDT called TT on July 18 early morning, and TT called DW right away?

Apparently TT knew on the morning of July 18 that Danni is missing, and according to his mother, he is in mourning.

I wonder why he thinks that she is dead.

 

[Cmpeezy251]

Also I believe he was at the first vigil, very early on. I will go back and look. But if anyone remembers, please confirm.

You’re right, I’m pretty certain I read that he got special permission to leave so he could be there

 

[adot0902]

For me it is a matter of likelihood. @Alethea pointed out it would be quite a coincidence if DNV's GPS malfunctioned around the same time she disappeared. Not saying this is impossible, just saying it is unlikely. I am not a detective but I try to think of what makes the most sense when you look at the different options. So for me it seems more likely the GPS was purposefully disabled. The question for me is who did this.

@adot0902, I'm trying to understand your point better about the GPS as I'm a bit confused. You are saying that the GPS pinged for the last time at the Shell station. Right? Is your point that we simply don't know what happened to the GPS at the Shell station or even after the Shell station? Or is your issue that we don't know which system was pinged? Is what is bothering you all the various assumptions that have been made in thread 2 and 3 as to what could have happened to the GPS at the Shell station?

There are many problematic issues with the GPS issue in general. IMO the most basic is which GPS system are we talking about? In my mind the only thing we know for sure is that OnStar was factory installed on her car. Whether it was activated we don't know but the Pearl website and the GM website talks about 6 months of free service for used car purchases. But, even if the OnStar wasn't activated by Pearl/DNV the possibility exists that LE working with OnStar might have been able to access the OnStar system to confirm the ping location that was supposedly made by Pearl Motors.

Even though we have the Pearl Motors statement about the ping as reported in MSM we don't know if Pearl installed another system to track the car as this question was never asked by MSM and LE never articulated which system was pinged in order to get the last location as being the Shell station. In thread 2 I mentioned looking at many comments by Pearl Motors customers about GPS that was added to their car to track it for repo purposes (so, it seemed a reasonable assumption to think that Pearl added a system to DNV car but we never knew anything had been added based on a LE statement). We also never knew if Pearl Motors installed a separate system to track DNV car as it had OnStar.

This entire discussion was frankly quite frustrating as it would be quite easy to simply pick up the phone and call Pearl Motors and ask about the GPS system. As far as I know this was never done by JDT/FB Group and we simply got a series of random statements about GPS/LoJack (I tremble as I type this word as it was a huge waste of time IMO)/OnStar. IMO the entire GPS question could have been resolved weeks ago but along with so many other basic facts we simply have the very basic statement from LE about the last ping location as the rest of the GPS comments were frankly not usable.

It seems like post-Shell station we sadly don't have much info: Even though we have MSM reporter that saw the video say that DNV left driving from the Shell station we have no LE confirmation of this fact and LE stated that 3500 Block of Government Blvd was where DNV was last seen. I cannot enter the fray on discussion of FB comments about additional information of DNV direction heading toward midtown/downtown etc. as there is no LE confirmation and so falls in the category of a waste of our time IMO.

You hit the nail on the head, when you typed in LoJack. I'm mostly frustrated with the fact that is definitive that the GPS was disabled or somehow tampered with when we have 0 evidence that happened. Law Enforcement could have pings elsewhere, and not be telling people as it was suggested a little further back, which I never thought of but is an excellent point. I just think we wasted so much time on a disabled GPS when that is in no way been confirmed. It's just frustrating being told something as a fact then it turns out to be entirely untrue. I just don't want to get stuck on the fact this happened when it's entirely possible it didn't happen. I don't claim to be an expert on "pinging GPS" but to my knowledge from all of our great sleuths OnStar doesn't track your cars exact location unless you have the new OnStar family plan, so what events cause a ping? Is there a reason other than disabled that it stopped pinging, could the car just have been left somewhere?
Disabling the GPS makes it sound so nefarious, when in all actuality we don't know that that happened.

To be honest I'm just tired of this Danniella being painted in a negative light, I feel that it detracted people from getting involved, and we later find out it's a bit more complicated than it originally seemed. That's all!

 

[Detectivediva]

You hit the nail on the head, when you typed in LoJack. I'm mostly frustrated with the fact that is definitive that the GPS was disabled or somehow tampered with when we have 0 evidence that happened. Law Enforcement could have pings elsewhere, and not be telling people as it was suggested a little further back, which I never thought of but is an excellent point. I just think we wasted so much time on a disabled GPS when that is in no way been confirmed. It's just frustrating being told something as a fact then it turns out to be entirely untrue. I just don't want to get stuck on the fact this happened when it's entirely possible it didn't happen. I don't claim to be an expert on "pinging GPS" but to my knowledge from all of our great sleuths OnStar doesn't track your cars exact location unless you have the new OnStar family plan, so what events cause a ping? Is there a reason other than disabled that it stopped pinging, could the car just have been left somewhere?
Disabling the GPS makes it sound so nefarious, when in all actuality we don't know that that happened.

To be honest I'm just tired of this Danniella being painted in a negative light, I feel that it detracted people from getting involved, and we later find out it's a bit more complicated than it originally seemed. That's all!

I don't think anyone is maliciously painting Danniella in a negative light...just being logical with what we know.

I think most of the people who suspect the GPS had been disabled are thinking that she was abducted and her abductor disabled it.

As far as seeming negative regarding suspecting drugs may have been involved...well we know she had a custody dispute that involved her testing positive for drugs. She was living as 'bffs' with a confirmed hard drug user. And she seemingly willingly drove to and spent approximately 20 minutes at a closed gas station known for drugs exchanges in the evening. That all points to drugs being involved in some way.

I realize she was an ultra hard worker who had many goals and was trying to make a better life for herself but IMHO you have to consider that likely something shady happened to her.