AL AL - Kahleb Rowan Collins, 1, his dad & sis were killed in a car crash, he wasn't with them, Fayette County, 8 Dec 2024

[Limecat]

Ahhh, ok now it all makes sense. This man is defending himself. He likely made some sort of recommendation for reunification services/allowing them to be placed back in the home under the grandfathers supervision? I wonder if social services knew the parents were even living there? Guess it will all come out at some point. All MOO.

That’s a great point, @Knox He’s in CYA mode. MOO

 

[vls12345]

That’s a great point, @Knox He’s in CYA mode. MOO

Totally agree. He's covering his own *ss. Clergy are mandated reporters in Alabama:

The Requirement for Clergy to Report

Citation: Ala. Code § 26-14-3(a)

Members of the clergy (as defined in Rule 505 of the Alabama Rules of Evidence) shall be required to report, or cause a report to be made, immediately when a child is known or suspected to be a victim of child abuse or neglect—either by telephone or direct communication, followed by a written report—to a duly constituted authority.

Privileged Communications

Citation: Ala. Code § 26-14-3(f)

A member of the clergy shall not be required to report information gained solely in a confidential communication, privileged pursuant to Rule 505 of the Alabama Rules of Evidence, as such communications shall continue to be privileged as provided by law.

Imo, there's no way he could argue for "Privileged Communications" since he actually took care of the kids for a bit. MOO.

From:

https://www.childwelfare.gov/resources/clergy-mandatory-reporters-child-abuse-and-neglect-alabama/

 

[Izzylizzy]

“I can tell you that the parents of these children that I saw love between them. I saw children that if anything was going on there those children were willing to forgive. If they can be willing to forgive, why can’t we”.

His message about forgiveness is 100% biblically accurate. But the context is off. God also demands Justice. He set up and consecrated earthy government to create and maintain order in his creation. If someone commits a crime they will suffer the consequences. That’s very different from being forgiven of your sins. We can be forgiven but still face the consequences of our actions. We are also called to rightly judge other people’s actions in certain circumstances. So the judge not, lest you be judged, perspective is out of order here.

He doesn’t address what the adults in the home directly/indirectly did to Kahleb and RyLeigh? But holds the kids responsible by saying they forgave? How does he know that? Ridiculously out of touch.

I’m confused? Maybe he was preaching this hyper focused mini sermon to promote healing in the community? Just a guess, but it’s tone deaf at this point before a trial has been concluded.

Thanks much for Preacher Joel Isham's quote.

Imagine after reading the text's contents and photos described of KC hanging, bloody and laying lifeless he has the brazenness to say "IF anything was going on there"?
I'm as disgusted with the media who covered the vigil for not calling him out.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Ahhh, ok now it all makes sense. This man is defending himself. He likely made some sort of recommendation for reunification services/allowing them to be placed back in the home under the grandfathers supervision? I wonder if social services knew the parents were even living there? Guess it will all come out at some point. All MOO.

They lived in a small community and Preacher Joel Isham's church is the Glen Allen Church across the street from the Town Hall.
He's also been a Glen Allen Council Member for years so he's obviously well known and most likely respected by many.
IMO:
Many people can be intimidated by a/their religious leader which then gives the leader carte blanche and even if they question that person's opinion more than likely they'll stay quiet.
Yep, Joel Isham very well could have gone to bat for JEB and the parents and got no push back from social service workers.

Mayor and Council

Mayor and Council

www.townofglenallen.org

 

[LookingForClues]

Everyone should be appalled by what happened to these babies! How can this pastor try to justify it? What a disgusting attempt at divine understanding. I can't imagine attending his church and learning the principles of humanity from him.

 

[TMich6811]

I hope this church loses a lot of members. This isn’t Christianity.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Everyone should be appalled by what happened to these babies! How can this pastor try to justify it? What a disgusting attempt at divine understanding. I can't imagine attending his church and learning the principles of humanity from him.

I've yet to read about anyone from the community criticizing Preacher Joel Isham or any media sources.
IMO:
He's a disgrace to Christianity and like many before him give Christianity a bad name.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Offensive, hurtful, toxic words from the preacher.

Children who are being tortured don't need to forgive their parents. They almost all desperately want love from their parents and to be with their parents, yes. Because it's built into our souls, to depend on our parents and wish for their unconditional love.

But when the parent has exploited that in the most evil ways by abusing the child time and again, by murdering the child, may justice be true and swift.

No one needs to forgive abuse of any kind. (A victim can if it helps them, but it is up to them, and toxic to suggest it to them. As if the preacher would rather the truth be swept away.)

 

[scapa]

Thanks much for Preacher Joel Isham's quote.

Imagine after reading the text's contents and photos described of KC hanging, bloody and laying lifeless he has the brazenness to say "IF anything was going on there"?
I'm as disgusted with the media who covered the vigil for not calling him out.

Agree.

I think we can agree that systematic abuse, escalating to outright torture were going on there, ending in double murder of minors.

That is most definitely "something," and it does not need to be forgiven at this point, but understood and prosecuted to the extent it still can be.

Tiny children cannot often understand, effectively resist, easily report on (esp when confined) or "forgive" their own torture and murder.

It is absolutely maddening and, I fully expect, runs counter to sermons on other themes this preacher might give.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Agree.

I think we can agree that systematic abuse, escalating to outright torture were going on there, ending in double murder of minors.

That is most definitely "something," and it does not need to be forgiven at this point, but understood and prosecuted to the extent it still can be.

Tiny children cannot often understand, effectively resist, easily report on (esp when confined) or "forgive" their own torture and murder.

It is absolutely maddening and, I fully expect, runs counter to sermons on other themes this preacher might give.

I listened again to Joel Isham's preaching at KC & RC's vigil.
IMO
He's scared now for his own salvation and reputation as a spiritual leader because of his involvement with the parents,grandfather and having had custody of the 2 children before grandfather was given guardianship which led to the death of RC and the torturous death of KC.
We don't know if the parents were given permission by the court to live in the house again with the children after losing custody.
We don't know if Isham was counseling the adults and even visited the home when G'father had guardianship leading up to KC being last seen in Sept 2023.
We don't know what Isham knew about the restrictions,if any, the court placed on the parents & grandfather pertaining to the children.
For all we know the parents may have been given supervised visitation and Isham was the court appointed person to be there when the visits took place yet he knew the parents were living in the house.
Was Isham at the house during the 3 months that KC was missing before the Dec.8,2023 accident?
Hopefully the judge unseals the abuse investigation records which should answer these questions and more.
Comments on this thread, including mine, alluded to Isham giving social workers/judge a thumbs up on the parent's relationship with RC & KC, lotsa love between all 5 as he said during the vigil therefore vouching for the grandfather?

I think he knows what info about his involvement and recommendations may be coming down the tract and the purpose of his sermon focusing on the need of forgiveness according to Matthew 18-19 is prepping the community and his parishioners with the forgiveness scripture and the fear of not entering the Kingdom of God so no matter what he did or didn't do needs to be forgiven by them.
Isham's role has been under the radar until the Sat. night vigil where he told us that the 2 children lived with him for a short time in Dec 2023 which is when we know from court records the abuse investigation began and he now confirmed that RC & KC were removed from the home.
If this goes to trial I believe we'll see that Isham played a big role that led to the death of both children.

 

[Izzylizzy]

DA seeks postponement in case of missing Fayette County toddler due to trial conflict

Preliminary hearings forNewly filed court documents have revealed a delay in the case involving the disappearance of toddler Kahleb Collins. The documents, fil

abc3340.com

 

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[Knox]

"The State of Alabama respectfully requests the above-listed case be continued from the February 11, 2025, docket and set on the next available preliminary hearing docket," the court documents stated. This request aims to ensure that the State can adequately present its case to the court.

DA seeks postponement in case of missing Fayette County toddler due to trial conflict

Preliminary hearings forNewly filed court documents have revealed a delay in the case involving the disappearance of toddler Kahleb Collins. The documents, fil

abc3340.com

 

[Knox]

District Attorney Andrew Hamlin, who serves Lamar, Pickens and Fayette County, filed a motion Friday requesting a judge for a continuance of hearings set for February 11 for John Bailey and Wendy Pam Bailey, the child’s grandfather and mother.​

Hearing for 2 charged in missing Fayette Co. 1-year-old case could be moved due to Pickens County murder trial

District Attorney Andrew Hamlin, who serves Lamar, Pickens and Fayette County, filed a motion Friday requesting a judge for a continuance of hearings set for February 11.

www.wbrc.com

 

[tlcya]

making a note for myself that due to the continuance the Wendy Pam and her dad now have preliminary hearing set for March 11, 2025.

 

[lightofmine99]

Thinking about this little guy today.

 

[Unalienable Rights]

Request for another preliminary hearing delay.

State asks for another delay in missing Kahleb Collins case; investigation not complete

FAYETTE, Ala. — The State of Alabama has filed a motion to continue the preliminary hearing in the case against Wendy Pamela Bailey and John Bailey originally s

abc3340.com

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"The State of Alabama respectfully requests the above-listed case be continued from the March 11, 2025, docket and set on the next available preliminary hearing docket so that the State may adequately present its case to this Honorable Court," said Hamlin in the motion.

The decision now rests with the court to determine if it will grant the motion and set a new date. If approved it would be the third delay of the preliminary hearings.

 

[tlcya]

Request for another preliminary hearing delay.

State asks for another delay in missing Kahleb Collins case; investigation not complete

FAYETTE, Ala. — The State of Alabama has filed a motion to continue the preliminary hearing in the case against Wendy Pamela Bailey and John Bailey originally s

abc3340.com

*****
"The State of Alabama respectfully requests the above-listed case be continued from the March 11, 2025, docket and set on the next available preliminary hearing docket so that the State may adequately present its case to this Honorable Court," said Hamlin in the motion.

The decision now rests with the court to determine if it will grant the motion and set a new date. If approved it would be the third delay of the preliminary hearings.

this makes me super uncomfortable not gonna lie. Feels like they are worried they don't have enough. They have the images and texts between the parents about Kahleb's torture. So maybe they are not as confident in their case against grandpa? Because it seems as if they have ample evidence against mom JMO

 

[Knox]

this makes me super uncomfortable not gonna lie. Feels like they are worried they don't have enough. They have the images and texts between the parents about Kahleb's torture. So maybe they are not as confident in their case against grandpa? Because it seems as if they have ample evidence against mom JMO

Hopefully they are just tying up some loose ends.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Request for another preliminary hearing delay.

State asks for another delay in missing Kahleb Collins case; investigation not complete

FAYETTE, Ala. — The State of Alabama has filed a motion to continue the preliminary hearing in the case against Wendy Pamela Bailey and John Bailey originally s

abc3340.com

*****
"The State of Alabama respectfully requests the above-listed case be continued from the March 11, 2025, docket and set on the next available preliminary hearing docket so that the State may adequately present its case to this Honorable Court," said Hamlin in the motion.

The decision now rests with the court to determine if it will grant the motion and set a new date. If approved it would be the third delay of the preliminary hearings.

Maybe their waiting for forensics/DNA results from their 2 searches of the Collins/Bailey property?