Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

[MikeF]

By visually checking each chamber in the cylinder multiple times before putting it on the cart for a cold rehearsal? At least a couple of times, since there had been two prior incidents just 3~4 days before…

…and by knowing the obvious differences between live rounds, blanks and dummies. No live rounds should be on set, much less in the prop gun which was her responsibility. Nor blanks either…that’s a hot gun. The gun didn’t need to have anything in it for the rehearsal. Sounds as if no one checked at all.

I agree that knowing what ammo is what, and what she was loading in the weapon is her job. Being able to magically know what every person has brought onto the set is quite another and that's what I was commenting on.

As to whether the gun needed to have anything in it, that would be the call of the director. Apparently dummy rounds were what she was suppose to have loaded and that she did load 4. The question is then why was the 5th one a live round in the weapon and did she in fact put it in there? IMO

 

[mickey2942]

BTW, here is that article in non-subscription form that might work for anyone who can't see it

The day Alec Baldwin shot Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza

Good find. This is one of the better articles written. Not just rehashing every again.

Not impressed with the cost cutting from the production staff. Time is money, ya know?! Who has "time" for safety protocols?! Or money to pay for experienced crew, when we can hire non union folks off the street?

Yeah. There were a lot of problems from the top down.

 

[Luna20]

My point was that had she been looking in the gun,which is one place she needed to check,she would have found the live ammo and realised that there was somehow live ammo on set. Had she done her job properly, she would have checked the rounds that SHE and only she was supposed to load in the gun and around have noticed the live ammo on set. She didn't need to specifically check the set or individuals for live ammo, and maybe it was even OK for her to have a reasonable expectation that there was no live ammo on set, but it was absolutely her job to notice that there was a live round in her hand before she put it in the gun, and to notice when she checked the gun what ammo was loaded into it,although the gun should not have had any ammo in it that she herself had not loaded. Either way, she didn't do her job properly.
If she had, Halyna would not be dead and a little boy would still have his mother.

This is what I can’t let go:
She is the armorer so before giving Halls the gun it’s up to her to load and check it. The gun should arrive ‘SAFE’ to whoever she gives it to. That’s HER job, otherwise anyone else could start the chain of custody. As in a handy crew member could pick up a gun and give it to the AD and let him make the call. Her hired position is to load, check, lock up all firearms for safe keeping.

I understand having a second pair of eyes on it for confirmation purposes but it needs to begin with the armorer. Why didn’t she know it was live ammo if she had just loaded it? It implies she took her eyes off of it.

Ive been involved in auctions where the finest of jewels and art are my responsibility to keep safe. That means no bathroom or lunch breaks until it’s under lock and key. I would not walk away for a minute and tell a trusted associate to watch it while I’m gone. It should always be in her sight or locked up.

Where did she load and get it from when she took it to Halls? That is on her watch.

 

[Luna20]

Indeed. Now we can see why he wanted her to pipe down and let him do the talking the other day. <modsnip>

This is a disgrace. It reflects poorly on AB to acquiesce with her actions. It makes people think they are tone deaf about a horrible tragedy. Losing a cat versus a mother?? I would be distraught but I would not publicize it. And the PTSD??! Halyna’s son and husband are the main focus regardless of any others having difficulty.

 

[branmuffin]

BTW, here is that article in non-subscription form that might work for anyone who can't see it

The day Alec Baldwin shot Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza

What was the third misfire event? There's the one with the stunt double and the prop assistant who shot herself in the foot.

Wow, line producer has zero empathy for the tragedy.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Sheriff: ‘Rust’ movie fatal shooting probe not getting film staff’s full cooperation

... “But we would recommend that they come in and clarify some of the statements, clarify some of the facts and let us know exactly what happened. If Mr. Halls sees what happened on the set that day different, then come and explain to us how it happened.”

Someone needs to take control of the optics in this situation. And that’s just for starters. They need to do the right thing, for Halyna’s family, for the movie industry, and for the future safety of set production. Perhaps if AB himself (along with his attorney) took charge and ownership of this tragedy, he could speak for the production team and staff.

That is not to say that each witness should not participate fully and independently with the investigation - they should, especially as their statements will relate to potential criminal charges.

But from a standpoint of negative publicity, and inevitable lawsuits, the folks that backed this movie need to control the damage, ASAP. Maybe they need to take a page from the way terrible accidents have been handled in other industries, such as airline crashes. Or Disney. When a toddler was fatally attacked by an alligator a few years ago at Disney, the corporation stepped up with a settlement and assisted the parents of the child in creating a foundation.

The producers and main actors have an opportunity to show remorse, and effect positive change in the industry as a result of this tragedy. Then let the criminal investigation take its lawful course. Do the right thing.

jmo

 

[Jade]

Since when has an actor and his <modsnip> wife been the arbiter of tactfulness?


Their grief is obvious.


Add six young children, pursued by paparazzi and now the cat is missing.


The disgrace is that armorer who caused the tragedy.


all imo

 

[Kiranerys]

Since when has an actor and his <modsnip> wife been the arbiter of tactfulness?


Their grief is obvious.


Add six young children, pursued by paparazzi and now the cat is missing.


The disgrace is that armorer who caused the tragedy.


all imo

I agree,their grief is obvious and his looked especially raw as one would only imagine would be the case. <modsnip>

 

[Luna20]

Someone needs to take control of the optics in this situation. And that’s just for starters. They need to do the right thing, for Halyna’s family, for the movie industry, and for the future safety of set production. Perhaps if AB himself (along with his attorney) took charge and ownership of this tragedy, he could speak for the production team and staff.

That is not to say that each witness should not participate fully and independently with the investigation - they should, especially as their statements will relate to potential criminal charges.

But from a standpoint of negative publicity, and inevitable lawsuits, the folks that backed this movie need to control the damage, ASAP. Maybe they need to take a page from the way terrible accidents have been handled in other industries, such as airline crashes. Or Disney. When a toddler was fatally attacked by an alligator a few years ago at Disney, the corporation stepped up with a settlement and assisted the parents of the child in creating a foundation.

The producers and main actors have an opportunity to show remorse, and effect positive change in the industry as a result of this tragedy. Then let the criminal investigation take its lawful course. Do the right thing.

jmo

True because right now its a convoluted mess. Integrity and action from the top are needed to set the course.

 

[Gardenista]

They found the cat.

Alec and Hilaria Baldwin Find Missing Cat, Now Has Broken Leg

 

[Thora_Jay]

That was fast I just checked and they found the cat
Alec and Hilaria Baldwin Find Missing Cat, Now Has Broken Leg

 

[wary]

What was the third misfire event? There's the one with the stunt double and the prop assistant who shot herself in the foot.

Wow, line producer has zero empathy for the tragedy.

MOO

What is a misfire? I always thought it was a malfunction of the gun or the ammunition.

In the context of this shooting, however, am I right that ‘misfire’ is being used to describe events where ‘hot’ ammunition, either with bullets or blanks, is placed in a fully functioning gun. A person then pulls the trigger, and gun + ammunition work the way they’re designed to work. Am I missing anything?

MOO

 

[GatorFL]

IMO, if there were 100,000 live bullets hidden everywhere on set, in people's bags or pockets or secreted in every corner, (which of course is illegal), it is STILL the armorer's job to make absolutely certain that ZERO of those contraband bullets makes it into a gun that will be fired.

She didn't need to search everyone's belongings. She only needed to ensure nothing dangerous was in the gun. She didn't do that.



So, when I hear this lawyer saying that "if he chooses....because he wants to make sure everyone's safe..." I think it's a terrible defense. As a juror I would think, "oh, so he didn't choose to make sure everyone is safe." He could have, but he CHOSE not to.

Yes, she's saying it's not his job and he didn't have to do that extra step. But that defense would only remind me that he had the power to do it and chose not to.

JMO.

Regarding what I have bolded, I don't think possessing, storing or even hiding ammo is illegal.

 

[GatorFL]

An 18 hour day is ridiculous when on a set with live rounds considering fatigue,, lower attention span and stress levels from working such long hours. That suggests that even a licensed armourer would be willing to overlook safety to pad the bank account.

The job is the job. Plenty of healthcare providers work 16+hour days.

 

[branmuffin]

MOO

What is a misfire? I always thought it was a malfunction of the gun or the ammunition.

In the context of this shooting, however, am I right that ‘misfire’ is being used to describe events where ‘hot’ ammunition, either with bullets or blanks, is placed in a fully functioning gun. A person then pulls the trigger, and gun + ammunition work the way they’re designed to work. Am I missing anything?

MOO

I don't think it's explained well enough. We know the prop assistant "shot" herself in the foot with blanks in the functioning 1873 Colt. So to me that suggests either the armourer didn't tell them the gun was hot, or the individuals didn't understand that blanks are hot and thought blanks equal safe. Blanks can still injure you so she may have accidentally fired a shot close to her body. I'm getting the impression that the armourer provided incomplete information to those who had to handle the weapons. We haven't been told afaik, what injuries the stunt double sustained during the misfire when he had the weapon. So that's two misfires out of three as suggested in the article.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Regarding what I have bolded, I don't think possessing, storing or even hiding ammo is illegal.

What about on a movie set though? Wasn’t there an industry guideline item that only blank or inert ammunition is to be brought to set and must be controlled at all times by the armourer?

Rule 5. LIVE AMMUNITION IS NOT TO BE BROUGHT ONTO A STUDIO LOT, STAGE OR LOCATION.

Firearms – Safety on the Set

 

[Gardenista]

AB just posted on IG. Doesn't really match the narrative he gave on his IG story before the shooting.

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[Gardenista]

(CNN) — A source close to Alec Baldwin tells CNN that the actor has not been formally asked by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office to return to New Mexico for in-person questioning regarding the investigation into last month's fatal shooting on the set of the film "Rust." The individual with knowledge of the situation said that Baldwin would "do whatever is asked."

The source added that Baldwin and his family will remain in Vermont for the foreseeable future as they deal with the aftermath of the tragedy.

Alec Baldwin has not been asked by authorities to return to New Mexico, source says - CNN

 

[Gardenista]

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[Mo Thuairim]

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Will be interesting to see if the union rep confirms her claim that he told production not to give into the camera crew's accommodation requests.