Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[al66pine]

Alec at Heathrow Baggage Claim???

Alec Baldwin mistaken for 'hobo' by bemused residents of Hampshire town | Daily Mail Online
blah blah blah……

@Blondie in Spokane Thanks for your post.

In pic 14 of 17, looks like he's at baggage claim, like after a commercial flight. Oh, the horror!!!
Does not seem to be at customs.

Someone (@10ofRods, was that you?) posted in earlier thread, that he flies by private plane.
And now, he suffers the indignity of picking up his bags, like the rest of us mere mortals!!!

Alec Baldwin mistaken for 'hobo' by bemused residents of Hampshire town | Daily Mail Online

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Alec Baldwin mistaken for 'hobo' by bemused residents of Hampshire town | Daily Mail Online

blah blah blah……

Pretty much my assessment of the Daily Fail, er Mail.

 

[al66pine]

Key Medic? Only Medic?

https://www.hmpgloballearningnetwork.com/site/emsworld/article/11079069/lightscameramedic... a key medic is more of a supervisor than a hands-on EMT. There are also supposed to be "set medics" who are the actual emergency personnel and "off production medics" who are present while sets are constructed and taken down. Did this production only have one medic for all these jobs?

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for posting this link describing the "key medic" job responsibilities quite differently from the Complaint's description of CS's job. Always interesting to see different angles. my2ct.

FWIW, at imdb.com "full credits" lists no other medics, just CS as "key medic." ibm rbm below. Was website edited, after death & injuries?
"Additional Crew
Jenner & Block ... law firm
Stephen R Foreht ... production counsel
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed ... armorer (as Hanna Gutierrez)
Wyatt Mortenson ... wrangler
Cherlyn Schaefer ... key medic
Raliegh Wilson ... livestock coordinator"
^ Rust - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb

 

[Laughing]

This article describes a key medic's duties somewhat differently than the complaint:

https://www.hmpgloballearningnetwork.com/site/emsworld/article/11079069/lightscameramedic

According to the above, a key medic is more of a supervisor than a hands-on EMT. There are also supposed to be "set medics" who are the actual emergency personnel and "off production medics" who are present while sets are constructed and taken down. Did this production only have one medic for all these jobs?

I can't get past the irony -- take a job as a medic, then traumatized because you need to act as a medic?

Perhaps that person chose the wrong line of work, imho.

Was this Key Medic a paramedic with 20 years of experience, similar to the Key Medic quoted in the linked article?

Or possibly another budget-cutting low time inexperienced hire?

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Key Medic? Only Medic?

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for posting this link describing the "key medic" job responsibilities quite differently from the Complaint's description of CS's job. Always interesting to see different angles. my2ct.

FWIW, at imdb.com "full credits" lists no other medics, just CS as "key medic." ibm rbm below. Was website edited, after death & injuries?
"Additional Crew
Jenner & Block ... law firm
Stephen R Foreht ... production counsel
Hannah Gutierrez-Reed ... armorer (as Hanna Gutierrez)
Wyatt Mortenson ... wrangler
Cherlyn Schaefer ... key medic
Raliegh Wilson ... livestock coordinator"
^ Rust - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb

The oldest version of that page on archive.org is from 22 October 2021:

Rust - IMDb

Additional crew:

Cherlyn Schaefer ... Key Medic
Raliegh Wilson ... Livestock Coordinator

and that's it. Make of it what you will

 

[DI_Isokawa]

I can't get past the irony -- take a job as a medic, then traumatized because you need to act as a medic?

Perhaps that person chose the wrong line of work, imho.

Was this Key Medic a paramedic with 20 years of experience, similar to the Key Medic quoted in the linked article?

Or possibly another budget-cutting low time inexperienced hire?

jmho ymmv lrr

The only experience listed on her Linkedin page is attendance at Central New Mexico Community College from 2010 to 2013.

 

[Laughing]

The only experience listed on her Linkedin page is attendance at Central New Mexico Community College from 2010 to 2013.

Oh, dear.

I am an educator, taught preschool for many years. Though never a shooting, I've dealt with:

a kid who face-planted & bit through their lower lip
a kid who vomited blood like a scene from The Exorcist (on new khaki pants BTW)
an adult who fainted, the fall to the floor caused eyeglass frame to cut their face, causing puddle of blood the size of a large pizza

and of course other bloody incidents.

Gee, if I'd only known that I could claim I was 'traumatized' by doing my job, and could not return...silly me, just got up & went back to work the next day.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[10ofRods]

Alec at Heathrow Baggage Claim???
@Blondie in Spokane Thanks for your post.

In pic 14 of 17, looks like he's at baggage claim, like after a commercial flight. Oh, the horror!!!
Does not seem to be at customs.

Someone (@10ofRods, was that you?) posted in earlier thread, that he flies by private plane.
And now, he suffers the indignity of picking up his bags, like the rest of us mere mortals!!!

Alec Baldwin mistaken for 'hobo' by bemused residents of Hampshire town | Daily Mail Online

He has been flying commercial for at least the past couple of years - I tried to research it a bit, and there are baggage claim photos of him from 2012. This corresponds to what I believe has been a sharp decrease in his annual earnings (compared to his heyday). He was certainly still making the big bucks in 2012, but it was already announced that 30 Rock would be ending in Spring 2013. He started talking a lot on the Howard Stern show about how poor he was.

Oddly, in the 2012 video, he has his wife go get the bags.

 

[10ofRods]

Oh, dear.

I am an educator, taught preschool for many years. Though never a shooting, I've dealt with:

a kid who face-planted & bit through their lower lip
a kid who vomited blood like a scene from The Exorcist (on new khaki pants BTW)
an adult who fainted, the fall to the floor caused eyeglass frame to cut their face, causing puddle of blood the size of a large pizza

and of course other bloody incidents.

Gee, if I'd only known that I could claim I was 'traumatized' by doing my job, and could not return...silly me, just got up & went back to work the next day.

jmho ymmv lrr

Frankly, today, a lot of employees would in fact take time off for those things, at least where I work. And where my husband works.

A shooting is at least one higher peg in the trauma ladder than the incidents you're describing. I've had two students have severe seizures in the classroom, where they suffered some injuries as they fell, one person who fell outside the classroom but came staggering in with a bad cut on their leg. And several fights (not in my classroom - but right outside or in the next classroom) and two times, guns in the classroom ( a student would come and whisper to me that the student sitting next to them was armed ). No one offered any therapy.

However, now our Employee Assistance program specifically mentions such things and says if we need counseling, it's available (for two months, I think).

Now, I agree a medic is supposed to be more immune to all this, but people do sometimes specify that they're willing to work odd hours or take lower pay to be in a less stressful environment - which may have happened here. I don't know this medic, what their training is, or what they were promised as work conditions, I just know that union rules for filmmaking (and this was a union film) say that there can be no live ammo in the workplace.

And there was live ammo in the workplace. Court will probably make the medic go through workers' comp (I figure that's what the defense will be).

 

[DI_Isokawa]

This production seems to have had a predilection for young women employees who were vulnerable as a consequence of being early in their careers. Frankly, I find that a more than a bit creepy.

 

[al66pine]

Injury? Time Off? Medically, No More Working?

1) Frankly, today, a lot of employees would in fact take time off for those things, at least where I work. ...
2)... I don't know this medic, what their training is, or what they were promised as work conditions,... union rules for filmmaking (and this was a union film) say that there can be no live ammo in the workplace.
And there was live ammo in the workplace. Court will probably make the medic go through workers' comp (I figure that's what the defense will be).

@10ofRods sbm bbm rbm Thanks for informative post and agreeing court may dismiss (some) claims.

1) Time off after workplace injuries? Yes, common w many employers, but per Complaint, CS claims not just past lost wages for time she's been unable to work.

2) Plaintiff claims injuries, causing past & future lost earnings and earning capacity, mental health medical expenses, emotional trauma & suffering, & loss of enjoyment of life. Medically disqualified from returning to work or any other form of gainful employment since the shooting. Ongoing medical care & treatment of qualified medical professionals, including therapists & others. ¶150 -¶152.*

Oct. 21 shooting - Feb 4 filing date, medically disqualified?No return to work, no other form of gainful employment? Possible? Okay, possible.

Not predicting outcome. my2ct.
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* 'Rust' Set Medic Sues Crew Members for Negligence in Shooting - Variety Feb 7, Variety, w image of Complaint.
"148. Before working on the Rust production, C-- S--- was regularly employed on film sets as a medic."* ---by me

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Injury? Time Off? Medically, No More Working?
@10ofRods sbm bbm rbm Thanks for informative post and agreeing court may dismiss (some) claims.

Time off after workplace injuries? Yes, common w many employers, but per Complaint, CS claims not just past lost wages for time she's been unable to work.

2) Plaintiff claims injuries, causing past & future lost earnings and earning capacity, mental health medical expenses, emotional trauma & suffering, & loss of enjoyment of life. Medically disqualified from returning to work or any other form of gainful employment since the shooting. Ongoing medical care & treatment of qualified medical professionals, including therapists & others. ¶150 -¶152.*

Oct. 21 shooting - Feb 4 filing date, medically disqualified?No return to work, no other form of gainful employment? Possible? Okay, possible.

Not making bets on outcome. my2ct.
_______________________
* 'Rust' Set Medic Sues Crew Members for Negligence in Shooting - Variety Feb 7, Variety, w image of Complaint.
"148. Before working on the Rust production, C-- S--- was regularly employed on film sets as a medic."* ---by me

I'm not an attorney so I don't know about the legal standing for her claims, but trauma can, in fact, make you unable to return to that line of work. Keep in mind that we don't know this person's history. If you're exposed to trauma once in your life (say childhood, grew up in a rough neighborhood and a relative was shot in front of them or person next door was shot and that injected fear), it makes you more vulnerable than the average person to another hit. If you grew up and experienced trauma throughout your life, then you're much more vulnerable to be traumatized/have PTSD than the average person who experiences the same event at a later point in life. This person could have become a medic in this environment for the sole purpose of avoiding that kind of thing (I mean, shooting on a movie set is rare) because they knew about their vulnerabilities and/or thought they were able to move on after therapy. So I don't think we can judge the claim without knowing all the details.

 

[al66pine]

Medic CS's Education, Experience???

The only experience listed on her Linkedin page is attendance at Central New Mexico Community College from 2010 to 2013.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for finding & posting this ^, but I'm puzzled by it.

Sorry I don't use LI, not familiar w it, can't see CS profile, so gotta ask.
When entering her status in her profile (presumably when she created it), CS entered "student"?
Shows yrs of attendance as 2010 - 2013?
Nothing re certificates or degrees?
Nothing on "medic" experience? On-set or elsewhere?
Maybe just no longer updating LI?
@DI_Isokawa Not intending to doubt you, but to clear up my LI ignorance. Or anyone? Thx in adv.

CNMCC "...prepares traditional and advanced Emergency Medical Technicians in intermediate, basic, and/or first responder levels,"* so she may have received a certificate and/or degree** on list below.
"Medic" is not designated as such on the list.

my2ct
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* Emergency Medical Services | CNM

** "Degrees and Certificates
Emergency Medical Services (AAS), Paramedic Concentration
Emergency Medical Services (Certificate of Completion), Intermediate Concentration Emergency Medical Technician (EMT-B), Certificate of Achievement
First Responder"
This comm. college's "Emergency Medical Services" Program
"...prepares traditional and advanced Emergency Medical Technicians in intermediate, basic, and/or first responder levels..."

 

[al66pine]

Medic CS Trauma. Judging Her Claim?

I'm not an attorney so I don't know about the legal standing for her claims, but trauma can, in fact, make you unable to return to that line of work... So I don't think we can judge the claim without knowing all the details.

@BeginnerSleuther sbm Thanks for your informative post and I'm not disagreeing w it. Nor am I discounting or dismissing therapy as it is often helpful/crucial in overcoming trauma and hastening return to work, as/if appropriate. Thank you for your contribution to thread.

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BTW, as I posted:
"Oct. 21 shooting - Feb 4 filing date, medically disqualified? No return to work, no other form of gainful employment?
Possible? Okay, possible.
Not predicting outcome. my2ct." bbm.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Medic CS's Education, Experience???
@DI_Isokawa Thanks for finding & posting this ^, but I'm puzzled by it.

Sorry I don't use LI, not familiar w it, can't see CS profile, so gotta ask.
When entering her status in her profile (presumably when she created it), CS entered "student"?
Shows yrs of attendance as 2010 - 2013?
Nothing re certificates or degrees?
Nothing on "medic" experience? On-set or elsewhere?
Maybe just no longer updating LI?
@DI_Isokawa Not intending to doubt you, but to clear up my LI ignorance. Or anyone? Thx in adv.

CNMCC "...prepares traditional and advanced Emergency Medical Technicians in intermediate, basic, and/or first responder levels,"* so she may have received a certificate and/or degree** on list below.
"Medic" is not designated as such on the list.

my2ct
_____________________________
* Emergency Medical Services | CNM

** "Degrees and Certificates
Emergency Medical Services (AAS), Paramedic Concentration
Emergency Medical Services (Certificate of Completion), Intermediate Concentration Emergency Medical Technician (EMT-B), Certificate of Achievement
First Responder"
This comm. college's "Emergency Medical Services" Program
"...prepares traditional and advanced Emergency Medical Technicians in intermediate, basic, and/or first responder levels..."

All there was on the page were the two dates. I agree that she might have just given up on LinkedIn at some point.

 

[al66pine]

Medic's LinkedIn Profile, Not Updated?

All there was on the page were the two dates. I agree that she might have just given up on LinkedIn at some point.

@DI_Isokawa Thanks for confirming.

Complaint said CS "was regularly employed on film sets as a medic" and initially I wondered why someone would not keep LI profile updated (esp'ly w what I imagine may be somewhat intermittent work, maybe not).
But crew members may generally be more likely to keep their profiles current on movie/TV-industry oriented forums.
my2ct

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Here's her IMDB page:

Cherlyn Schaefer - IMDb

 

[al66pine]

Here's her IMDB page:
Cherlyn Schaefer - IMDb

@DI_Isokawa Thank you for prompting me to review her imdb filmography.
2015 - 2022: Additional Crew (25 credits), medic
2008 - 2013: Costume & Wardrobe (10 credits) costumer
2003 - 2008: Actress (4 credits, w 3 of them "uncredited")

2010 - 2013: attended Central NM Community College, per LI profile

Interesting.

 

[Gardenista]

Halyna Hutchins' Family Discusses Possible Lawsuit Over 'Rust' Shooting

The attorneys are holding a news conference Tuesday in L.A. -- it's scheduled to start at 10 AM PT -- and we're expecting them to discuss a possible wrongful death lawsuit over the tragic incident in October when Baldwin accidentally fired the fatal shot at Halyna.

 

[Gardenista]

Alec Baldwin & ‘Rust’ Movie Sued For Wrongful Death By Halyna Hutchins’ Estate – Deadline