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[debs]

Okay, still noodlin' here, posted this in the sauvie timeline thread, but thought I'd bring it here too. Trying to fit Sauvie Island into Terri's reported timeline, this is the only place I can fit it.

Terri arrived at Gym @ 11:39 and it's said she worked out for an hour. So she left Gym at approximately 12:40. The trip from the gym to SI R&R roads is 54 minutes, and back to sheltered nook rd is another 34 minutes. That's a total of l hour and 28 minutes. She said she got home around 1:00 and was posting on FB at 1:21, correct? How do we know that she got home at 1:00, can you post on FB from a laptop on Sauvie Island? Kaine did not get home until what time, sometime after 2:00, correct? So if TH left the gym at 12:40 and drove to where they're searching at SI she would have arrived there at approx. 1:30, did whatever, and she would be home by 2:05. And the gym timeline says "about an hour" so it could have maybe been even less than that. Anyway, this is the only time frame I can fit the SI locations into her day. Did I do the math right?

As you can see I know nothing about laptops or posting on FB. LOL

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...32,-122.818565&spn=0.159477,0.363579&t=h&z=12

You're right, Billy! Kaine said he left work around 1:45, and got home around 2. Terri was posting on FB at 1:21, and I don't know about laptop access from SI, but we can rule out a droid style phone, because Kaine said she did not have that capability on her phone to do that. (Interview, but please please please don't make me sort through the tapes). We don't have any reason to believe Terri got home right at 1, but we do have to assume she was home by 1:21. That gives her nearly 40 minutes after her workout.

 

[Billylee]

You're right, Billy! Kaine said he left work around 1:45, and got home around 2. Terri was posting on FB at 1:21, and I don't know about laptop access from SI, but we can rule out a droid style phone, because Kaine said she did not have that capability on her phone to do that. (Interview, but please please please don't make me sort through the tapes). We don't have any reason to believe Terri got home right at 1, but we do have to assume she was home by 1:21. That gives her nearly 40 minutes after her workout.

My question is maybe she wasn't home by 1:21, because she posted to FB from her laptop on Sauvie Island or somewhere else. Is that possible?

 

[debs]

My question is maybe she wasn't home by 1:21, because she posted to FB from her laptop on Sauvie Island or somewhere else. Is that possible?

Well. I guess we aren't privy to knowing whether she had a laptop, but I assume if SI is wifi and she has a wireless adapter and has enough power to run her laptop, then it is possible (this process of course exposes my complete and utter lack of interesting or accurate information with how computers really work. For me, there's a genie running mine). It's just more likely she wouldn't risk not being home when Kaine arrived, if she was aware he was coming home early.

 

[Mellen]

Okay, still noodlin' here, posted this in the sauvie timeline thread, but thought I'd bring it here too. Trying to fit Sauvie Island into Terri's reported timeline, this is the only place I can fit it.

Terri arrived at Gym @ 11:39 and it's said she worked out for an hour. So she left Gym at approximately 12:40. The trip from the gym to SI R&R roads is 54 minutes, and back to sheltered nook rd is another 34 minutes. That's a total of l hour and 28 minutes. She said she got home around 1:00 and was posting on FB at 1:21, correct? How do we know that she got home at 1:00, can you post on FB from a laptop on Sauvie Island? Kaine did not get home until what time, sometime after 2:00, correct? So if TH left the gym at 12:40 and drove to where they're searching at SI she would have arrived there at approx. 1:30, did whatever, and she would be home by 2:05. And the gym timeline says "about an hour" so it could have maybe been even less than that. Anyway, this is the only time frame I can fit the SI locations into her day. Did I do the math right?

As you can see I know nothing about laptops or posting on FB. LOL

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sou...32,-122.818565&spn=0.159477,0.363579&t=h&z=12

It is possible to purchase prepaid wireless broadband USB devices from cell phone carriers. So in theory, it is possible. However, I would think that LE would be able to figure out that she was not at home from the IP address attached to the Facebook posts. (And perhaps even get location of where the posts were done through the cell carrier? Not sure on that, just thinking aloud.). And vice versa -- I think that LE could verify if she was at home when she made the posts by asking Facebook to check the IP address also. So yes, she could possibly do it, but I think it would be found out pretty easily if she did.

 

[Billylee]

We do know she had a laptop. Kaine said when he got home a little after 2:00 she was on her laptop. I'm not familiar with laptops and what they can and can't do from wherever, so yeah, that's what I'm asking. Why couldn't she have posted to facebook via her laptop from somewhere other than her home. Where are all you computer gurus?

 

[Billylee]

It is possible to purchase prepaid wireless broadband USB devices from cell phone carriers. So in theory, it is possible. However, I would think that LE would be able to figure out that she was not at home from the IP address attached to the Facebook posts. (And perhaps even get location of where the posts were done through the cell carrier? Not sure on that, just thinking aloud.). And vice versa -- I think that LE could verify if she was at home when she made the posts by asking Facebook to check the IP address also. So yes, she could possibly do it, but I think it would be found out pretty easily if she did.

Thanks, this is greek to me. It's possible then, that LE does have that information, and that is why they're searching Sauvie Island. (I guess?)

 

[Mellen]

We do know she had a laptop. Kaine said when he got home a little after 2:00 she was on her laptop. I'm not familiar with laptops and what they can and can't do from wherever, so yeah, that's what I'm asking. Why couldn't she have posted to facebook via her laptop from somewhere other than her home. Where are all you computer gurus?

She'd have to have internet access. I'm doubting that Sauvie has WiFi across the island, so then you'd need a wireless Internet broadband card from a cell carrier. It is possible, but also, as I posted in my previous post above, I think it would be relatively easy for LE to find out that she posted from somewhere other than home, so not as a slick of a move as it might seem.

 

[kappy50]

Well with my experience when I travel, I had what was called a air card thru AT&T. And I powered mine with a portable inverter to save my battery life. Or she could have tethering capabiliteis on her phone.However, if she had no type of air card, it's possible she may have hit off of someone else's wifi...which would not be impossible I don't think, but you have to encrypt your home wifi for those to not just come in your neighborhood and catch a signal. I by no means am a guru on computers...and if I have not put this in proper terms..please someone correct me.

 

[debs]

We do know she had a laptop. Kaine said when he got home a little after 2:00 she was on her laptop. I'm not familiar with laptops and what they can and can't do from wherever, so yeah, that's what I'm asking. Why couldn't she have posted to facebook via her laptop from somewhere other than her home. Where are all you computer gurus?

Okay, so now she's got a gym bag, a baby, a 7 year old, and her laptop in tow on the way to Skyline. Stowing the bag and computer is easy, I guess, once you get into the truck. Then she juggles baby and Kyron back into the truck surreptitiously from the school, drives to three definite destinations, stays at one for about an hour, removing bag and baby from the truck, then gets back into the truck with all that stuff again, drives out to an Island where the access is precisely ONE road, drives to the far end of that Island, kills or gets rid of some other way the 7 year old, takes out her laptop, posts pictures of that same child, jumps back into the truck with the bag baby and laptop, and rushes all the way back home, hoping to beat her husband there, settles the baby down to play with toys (the way her father found her), and calm herself down to appear as though "nothing out of the ordinary" had happened.

It's a theory!

 

[SurfieTX]

We do know she had a laptop. Kaine said when he got home a little after 2:00 she was on her laptop. I'm not familiar with laptops and what they can and can't do from wherever, so yeah, that's what I'm asking. Why couldn't she have posted to facebook via her laptop from somewhere other than her home. Where are all you computer gurus?

I'm far from a guru, but my daughter has a netbook (smaller than a laptop, but the terms could be used interchangeably I suppose). We take her's on trips and whatnot. The only thing she needs to bum off of a WiFi is an unsecured network. Most families and businesses don't password protect their wireless network connections (as we found out on the road). The netbook gave us multiple networks to choose from as we drove and all we had to do was click on one to access the WiFi internet access. But, as someone pointed out, LE would be on that like flies on trash..the IP addresses would be all kinds of wonky and very easily traceable unless she was using some kind of IP address cloak..but even then, an FBI computer person would be able to whittle it down.

 

[Billylee]

Debs, we are trying to figure out why LE is searching SI at Reeder and Retenaar Rds. None of us who've tried can fit TH according to her reported timeline as being there within her 90 minute unaccounted for time. So I am trying to figure out if she could be lying about what time she got home and if she can post to facebook from her laptop from anywhere else besides her home. Because, if that is impossible, then it appears LE is looking for an accomplice to have been there, not TH.

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[tragco]

I'm far from a guru, but my daughter has a netbook (smaller than a laptop, but the terms could be used interchangeably I suppose). We take her's on trips and whatnot. The only thing she needs to bum off of a WiFi is an unsecured network. Most families and businesses don't password protect their wireless network connections (as we found out on the road). The netbook gave us multiple networks to choose from as we drove and all we had to do was click on one to access the WiFi internet access. But, as someone pointed out, LE would be on that like flies on trash..the IP addresses would be all kinds of wonky and very easily traceable unless she was using some kind of IP address cloak..but even then, an FBI computer person would be able to whittle it down.

LE would be able to tell if she bummed off someone else's wifi to make the post, as a router, secure or unsecure, has a specific IP address. She would not be safe using an air card either. If she posted from anywhere but home using these methods you could tell. LE knows by now.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Okay, so now she's got a gym bag, a baby, a 7 year old, and her laptop in tow on the way to Skyline. Stowing the bag and computer is easy, I guess, once you get into the truck. Then she juggles baby and Kyron back into the truck surreptitiously from the school...

Respectfully edited. What about a stroller? Was Baby K in one, was she walking with her mom and brother, or was she on Terri's hip when they went into Skyline? What about when TH and Kyron were looking at other exhibits, or when Terri took Kyron's picture with his science project, or during the encounter with the teacher? If the building was crowded, I would think that Baby K needed to be in a stroller to keep her from being trampled by adults or students who were viewing the science exhibits. jmo

 

[Billylee]

Do you have a link to that? Because last I checked, she was driving around 90minutes with a sick baby, an hour and a half. But you're saying that wouldn't be enough time, yet you're suggesting under that amount of time for when she could have done it. I'm no Math guru, and I could be wrong, but it seems like the 90 minute drive is more than enough time to do what she did, and it's far more time than she would have than after leaving the gym. We only have her word on where she was driving, no confirmation that that is actually where she was. I'm very confused.

I posted the link in post 354 above, go there and maybe you'll get what we're saying.

 

[debs]

At 12:40 or so she was done with the gym. At around 2, her husband came home and reported baby happy and content playing with her toys, wife on her computer nothing amiss. He went and made himself a sandwich and did work on his computer.

I'm not doing anything but trying to get into the mindset of someone doing these things and being able to be calm, have a calm baby, and never alert her husband.

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just noodlin' how she could be using her laptop down on SI, and drive the approx. 35 minutes back to the house in order to calm herself and the baby down enough to not throw out some major hink vibes to Kaine.

 

[Aedrys]

I posted the link in post 354 above, go there and maybe you'll get what we're saying.

I just read it and deleted my post. Sorry about that. I hadn't realized a link was posted before I posted my response. I still think she could have driven like a speed demon and made it. Those timings are based on people going the speed limit, or even slower. A lot of times I make it to places faster than the google map suggests. I'd love to know if it's faster based on how fast the person is going above the speed limit or if there are obstructions like construction that would prevent that.

Also, was what you were talking about a one way trip, or was that round trip? I didn't even think about that, and I apologize if I misinterpreted what I read. I have a sinus headache that is very much distracting me today.

LE knows far more than we do. I'm not ruling out another participant, but I'm not ruling out that she couldn't have done this by herself either. Interesting discussion, though.

 

[Aedrys]

At 12:40 or so she was done with the gym. At around 2, her husband came home and reported baby happy and content playing with her toys, wife on her computer nothing amiss. He went and made himself a sandwich and did work on his computer.

I'm not doing anything but trying to get into the mindset of someone doing these things and being able to be calm, have a calm baby, and never alert her husband.

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just noodlin' how she could be using her laptop down on SI, and drive the approx. 35 minutes back to the house in order to calm herself and the baby down enough to not throw out some major hink vibes to Kaine.

Maybe she was secure in the knowledge that what was done was done, she hadn't left any incriminating evidence or anything that would lead back to her (or so she thought), and she believe wholeheartedly that she wasn't going to get caught. That would make her calm, I'm sure.

 

[Billylee]

At 12:40 or so she was done with the gym. At around 2, her husband came home and reported baby happy and content playing with her toys, wife on her computer nothing amiss. He went and made himself a sandwich and did work on his computer.

I'm not doing anything but trying to get into the mindset of someone doing these things and being able to be calm, have a calm baby, and never alert her husband.

I'm not saying it's impossible. Just noodlin' how she could be using her laptop down on SI, and drive the approx. 35 minutes back to the house in order to calm herself and the baby down enough to not throw out some major hink vibes to Kaine.

I understand where you're coming from, but that's not the point. I'm trying to understand, since LE thinks TH did this, when they think she was on SI? According to her reported timeline, the 90 minutes unaccounted for doesn't work, at least none of us have been able to make it work. Soooo, if LE thinks TH was on SI, when was that??? The only time I can come up with that worksn is after the gym, IF she was lying about the time she got home and IF she was on FB via her laptop elsewhere. Those are very big IF's. So, it appears to me that either LE knows something about after the gym OR they feel someone else was on SI doing whatever.

And you are absolutely right that would have been one hell of an act she'd had to put on. That's what we're looking at. Think of it as trying to prove TH's timeline DOES NOT allow her to be on SI.

 

[Billylee]

I just read it and deleted my post. Sorry about that. I hadn't realized a link was posted before I posted my response. I still think she could have driven like a speed demon and made it. Those timings are based on people going the speed limit, or even slower. A lot of times I make it to places faster than the google map suggests. I'd love to know if it's faster based on how fast the person is going above the speed limit or if there are obstructions like construction that would prevent that.

Also, was what you were talking about a one way trip, or was that round trip? I didn't even think about that, and I apologize if I misinterpreted what I read. I have a sinus headache that is very much distracting me today.

LE knows far more than we do. I'm not ruling out another participant, but I'm not ruling out that she couldn't have done this by herself either. Interesting discussion, though.

That's okay, I've got a headache too and it's gonna get worse, cuz I gotta' go pay bills now. Arrgh!

 

[BeanE]

Billylee, I'm gonna ask in the locals thread about the wifi on Sauvie or between Sauvie and Sheltered Nook.