All Things Britney Spears Part 4

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It was the hospital's job under the HIPAA act to keep Britney safe and secure. If Dr. Phil got in, then, IMO, he was invited to be there, no matter what the tabs are saying at present, or the hospital did not perform up to standards with due diligence to safeguard a patient's privacy.

In fact, I think the first reports, that Brit is at Dr.Phil's house with he and his wife, may be correct. We do NOT know. We know what we are told, and some old videos may be shown or doctored, but I think she's with someone who can help her and observe her. I hope that's true, anyway.
It makes a lot more sense that she left with Dr. Phil than the published reports that she drove herself home. In published reports, she had consumed prescription and non- prescription drugs which weren't illegal as well as vodka. Two of the most serious drugs mentioned ( if true) were Ritalin, which she apparently still takes for ADHD, and OxyContin, reason for Rx unknown.

One article I read stated that her family called Dr. Phil to intervene. Brittany had already thrown her tempur-tantrum at the hospital and demanded to be released, going so far as to pull an IV out of her arm!
Brittany didn't want to talk to him, but he stayed with her for an hour.
I don't believe he's there only for ratings.
 
Dr. Phil is not a one on one therapist and has stated on numerous occasions that he likes to cut to the chase and give you advice with marching orders rather than getting into the "why's and wherefores." All guests on his shows sign release forms stating that there is no doctor/patient confidentiality with whatever the guests disclose to him, and that any time spent is not considered therapy.

He left private practice in 1989 after being sanctioned by the Texas Board of Psychologists for not only giving a client/patient a job, but also engaging in a sexual relationship with her. (She was 19.) He started a company giving advice to Fortune 500 companies on headgames around lawsuit negotiations, which is how he was brought to the attention of Oprah during her beef lawsuit.

This is not the guy I would be calling to help my child-this is another set up for Britney IMO-she is going to be exploited yet again in the name of getting her "some help." She needs people around her who are not viewing the dollar signs. JMO, and with all due respect to you Dr. Phil fans.
 
Perhaps he is acting on her behalf, SeekingJana, but then he needs to keep his mouth shut to the press because he is bound by confidentiality unless she has hired him as her spokesman. If I had just had such a public meltdown with such a potentially lethal combination of meds in my system (Ritalin, alcohol and Oxycontin are quite impressive and she is too old for Ritalin), I would not want someone detailing their concern for me to the media...and that is the least of the nonsense I have read. Dr. Phil is not looking at her for her-he is looking at ratings, come on.

We don't know who leaked the initial reports to the press. It might have been Brit or her parents, not Dr. Phil McGraw.

I'm on Dr. Phil's side on this one. I've seen him protect confidential info on his show much more than most talk show hosts ever have. I think he is a good therapist with a down to earth approach, and I think he is court- savvy enough to know not to compromise anyone's privacy.

Apparently, her parents are supposed to be on his show on Tuesday. It's said that Brit won't be there, but again- I have to ask- how can a tabloid website know the truth? They can show photos and videos of events as they unfold, but as far as words, they can't be privvy to private conversations, such as what Britney said to Dr. Phil and what he said back in the hospital. I've seen him do some good interventions with people on his show. And- to his credit, he's paid many bills for inpatient treatment for a variety of disorders for many people.
I do not consider the man or his show to be exploitive in any way. Far from it.
 
The Dr. Phil thing is bizarre. I think he's a joke, but I know lots of people like his show and what he has to say. I wouldn't want him anywhere near any of my family.
 
Dr. Phil is not a one on one therapist and has stated on numerous occasions that he likes to cut to the chase and give you advice with marching orders rather than getting into the "why's and wherefores." All guests on his shows sign release forms stating that there is no doctor/patient confidentiality with whatever the guests disclose to him, and that any time spent is not considered therapy.

He left private practice in 1989 after being sanctioned by the Texas Board of Psychologists for not only giving a client/patient a job, but also engaging in a sexual relationship with her. (She was 19.) He started a company giving advice to Fortune 500 companies on headgames around lawsuit negotiations, which is how he was brought to the attention of Oprah during her beef lawsuit.

This is not the guy I would be calling to help my child-this is another set up for Britney IMO-she is going to be exploited yet again in the name of getting her "some help." She needs people around her who are not viewing the dollar signs. JMO, and with all due respect to you Dr. Phil fans.

What is your source for this sanction he received from the Texas Board of Psychologists? I have never heard of any hint of misconduct in private practice by this man.
In fact, Robin has said on more than one occasion that they have never cheated on each other, and have been married over 25 years.
If his cheating was a matter of public record like you say, it sure makes her a big ole fool for saying something like that on TV.

And another thing, doesn't it make sense to you that if a person is going on TV to get advice for a problem, then they are giving up confidentiality by default? He wouldn't have much of a show if everyone was called " John Doe", was shown in silhouette, and with their voice disguised, would he? Part of the human condition is observing interaction and reaction.

I have to wonder if some of you might feel threatened by his no BS approach.
 
I like Dr. Phil overall, although I'm not crazy about his going into her room...then again, what the heck has worked? What has reached her?

If I was desperate enough to try and save my child's life, I'd call Dr. Phil, Dr. Joe, and Dr. Who-Evah to try and reach her.

Most addicts/mentally ill people (which are often one and the same) are driven to seek help by desperation. Brittney unfortunately has enough money to ensure she can have enablers surround her until the end of her life--whenever that is--like Elvis.
 
Whether Brittany is mentally ill or not, she is a substance abuser with lots of money and celebrity. IMO she thinks she is above the law and doesn't have to comply like everyone else- that's why she blows off court appearances and drug-testing. I think she is another Anna Nicole in the making.
At least Lindsey Lohan recognizes she has a problem!
I also think Kevin Federline is the better parent surprisingly and I don't think Brittney should ever be left alone with her sons again. She could also turn out to be another Andrea Yates.
 
OK, there's no Internet documentation of Dr. Phil's license sanctions in TX other than a Wilkipedia article ( which can be true or completely false) which links to a very incomplete Adobe list compiled by someone named Brenda. It is NOT a legal document, and the information it contains may or may not be accurate.

We do not know if Dr. Phil contested the sanction, as many people do, or what the outcome of that might have been. It was a He said- she said type of thing, and if you look at this person's very incomplete list of sanctions for the entire state of Texas since the 1980's, there are many reports of accusations of either dual relationships or improper sexual relationships.
People in therapy often experience transference. Therapists are virtually defenseless against it if a patient or former patient files a formal charge. Some may be guilty, but in my experience, most are not.
This is one reason why young women are being referred to women counselors more often, even if the female counselor has less training and experience than her male colleagues.

None of us know whether Britney is going to accept help or not. What we do know, IMO, is that help has been offered.
I fail to see how that's a bad thing.
 
One article I read stated that her family called Dr. Phil to intervene. Brittany had already thrown her tempur-tantrum at the hospital and demanded to be released, going so far as to pull an IV out of her arm!
Brittany didn't want to talk to him, but he stayed with her for an hour.
I don't believe he's there only for ratings.

Thank Goodness there's other people whom feel about the situation with Dr. Phil as I do. The family asked him to come, I think it was the last resort. I'm glad the babies are safe but in a month, a few months when she hasn't seen them for so long, she might get what she has done. I hope the kid's aren't photographed either for a very long time.
 
I like Dr. Phil overall, although I'm not crazy about his going into her room...then again, what the heck has worked? What has reached her?

If I was desperate enough to try and save my child's life, I'd call Dr. Phil, Dr. Joe, and Dr. Who-Evah to try and reach her.

Most addicts/mentally ill people (which are often one and the same) are driven to seek help by desperation. Brittney unfortunately has enough money to ensure she can have enablers surround her until the end of her life--whenever that is--like Elvis.


Absolutely.
 
I wonder how Britney has been passing her drug tests. Surely some doctor isn't giving her ritalin and oxycontin. I think Britney would be better off with a non celebrity psychologist or counselor. If Dr. Phil did give a teen patient a job, then that really was not a good thing to do since there seem to have been some allegations. Hope she gets her visitation back with supervision. The kids need a mom and wouldn't care if it were supervised at this young age.
 
I have to tell you, if it is shown Britney was NOT on drugs during this episode I may begin to change my mind about her.
 
I have to tell you, if it is shown Britney was NOT on drugs during this episode I may begin to change my mind about her.

The phrase being used is " Not under the influence of illegal drugs". There is a laundry list of drugs in her possession at the time the Paramedics arrived. As to who squealed to the press, I suspect K Fed, for obvious reasons. Of course, IDK if it's true. The list of drugs and some kind of cocktail made with Nyquil, alcohol and ?? was on either perezhilton.com, tmz.com or ET.
 
I still feel a tad sorry for Brit. There is a thin line between people like Britney and we 'normal' people....the choices we make. Brit's made some chitty, immature decisions that have so far caused her a career, a marriage, 2 children and if she doesn't wake up and smell the coffee....may cause her to loose her life.
 
I still feel a tad sorry for Brit. There is a thin line between people like Britney and we 'normal' people....the choices we make. Brit's made some chitty, immature decisions that have so far caused her a career, a marriage, 2 children and if she doesn't wake up and smell the coffee....may cause her to loose her life.

"normal people" as in how- not famous?
 
"normal people" as in how- not famous?
LOL, imo, famous has nothing to do with it.
Normal as in people who can get up every day and go to work and raise their kids without making stoopid decisions.
Decisions like--
NOT driving while holding a baby in our laps.
Or what about a very simple decision like wearing underwear while wearing a mini dress/skirt.
Or being smart enough not to drive over 2 people's feet in the same week.
That kind of normal. ;)
 
LOL, imo, famous has nothing to do with it.
Normal as in people who can get up every day and go to work and raise their kids without making stoopid decisions.
Decisions like--
NOT driving while holding a baby in our laps.
Or what about a very simple decision like wearing underwear while wearing a mini dress/skirt.
Or being smart enough not to drive over 2 people's feet in the same week.
That kind of normal. ;)

Ahh- I get it now! LOL sorry, I'm a bit slow this evening!

It makes me shake my head when I read other posts here saying the cause of the behaviors you have listed is Bipolar disorder or PPD.

(I feel bad for Britney also)
 
Ahh- I get it now! LOL sorry, I'm a bit slow this evening!

It makes me shake my head when I read other posts here saying the cause of the behaviors you have listed is Bipolar disorder or PPD.

(I feel bad for Britney also)
Oh hon, no problemo! :blowkiss:
 
OK, there's no Internet documentation of Dr. Phil's license sanctions in TX other than a Wilkipedia article ( which can be true or completely false) which links to a very incomplete Adobe list compiled by someone named Brenda. It is NOT a legal document, and the information it contains may or may not be accurate.

That pdf file resides on the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists' website and it is a list of correct information according to the State of Texas. You can request a hard copy here:

If you desire a disciplinary history search on any licensee under the Texas Public Information Act, you may call, e-mail, fax or write the Board to request this information. Please direct your inquiry to Brenda Skiff, 512-305-7700, FAX 512-305-7701, [email protected]. There is no charge for a copy of an agreed order.​


That lady is on the pdf because as a state worker she compiled the list.

Sad to say, he did exactly what it states and he didn't renew his license until 2004....right before he went on the air. Until then all he did was give talks to businesses.

He's no doctor imho (all doctors are suppose to follow the oath...first do no harm...he doesn't follow that rule at all) and he should be ashamed of using this terrible thing for viewer numbers on his show. That girl don't need one more person to use her for personal gain. It's sad. If they really wanted her to get help they'd do this in private where it belongs.
 
OK, I will call the board today and see if it jives with what Wiki has online. I find it hard to believe that there have been that few sanctions in 20 years, first of all, and second of all, that they list them in PDF format. Most of the time, a person has to search through records of Board meetings to find disciplinary action reports, or pay for a search on a specific person to find the info.
But, since TX is one of a growing number of states which puts almost all aspects of a person's life online, I probably shouldn't be surprised.
Your statement that "He did exactly what it says" is open to interpretation.
Neither you, I nor the mouse in the corner know whether Phil McGraw had " improper relations with that woman" to paraphrase an impeached president.
You can choose to think he did something wrong. I choose to think there is quite a bit of wiggle room after reading all of the similar board actions on the PDF list. Either therapists in TX are sex addicts or patients with severe transference issues have successfully used the " He said- she said" loophole to their advantage. No one can prove or disprove consentual sex acts unless there is DNA evidence preserved, a video or photos were taken, or an impeachable eyewitness viewed the act. I have seen this type of complaint filed or alleged more times than I can say and usually the female was filing a nuisance complaint because she could or because she wanted to be paid big bucks for shutting up and going away.

Next, you are pre-judging him. Neither Britney nor any of her relatives have been on his show regarding this incident in her sad and sadder life. We don't know if she will be a guest or not! Her father admires Dr. Phil, and has called him a " god" ( his words not mine) to reporters this past weekend. IF Jamie Spears wants to be on TV and Dr. Phil wants to help HIM, then I suggest that this is their business, not ours. Our remote controls come with buttons for a reason. If I was a parent who was relatively used to the spotlight because of a famous child and was hurting, I probably wouldn't think that going on TV to discuss it was all that abnormal. As a regular person who values privacy, I look at it from a different perspective. We cannot walk in Spears' parents shoes unless our son or daughter is as famous and in as much trouble as Britney is.
As for your blanket statement that there is no help possible on TV- Are you aware that there is a TV show on called " INTERVENTION" and its sole purpose is to show taped interventions with substance abusers?
I'm not sure which cable channel it's on but am thinking TLC. Apparently, quite a lot of people have chosen to go to rehab because of the intervention, and of course, the larger purpose is to help viewers with a similar problem see their own need for help.
BTW, Dr. Phil does not just have a person in trouble on his show then drop them after they stop tape.
If the person is agreeable to treatment, he sends them to a treatment center and if they don't have insurance or otherwise can't pay for it, he does. If they refuse treatment, then he tells the person and the audience what the consequences are. "You have lost your children, your wife left you, you lost your job, you are being evicted, you have liver disease which will progress to liver failure" or " You are on a downward spiral and you will end up in prison or the morgue".
I've done enough interventions to know what the horrible outcome is when a person refuses help and treatment. Maybe that's why I accept the fact that Dr. Phil offers help to both the people in his studio and through them, to countless others watching. Most of us are insightful enough that at some point, we can see ourselves in one of his guests discussing a problem in their life. This is not shock jock TV. It's not Jerry Springer or Montel Williams.
I've only watched intermittantly, as I do have a life, but I consider him to offer helpful solutions which apply to his viewers as well as his guests. There's no way he could practice deep, probing Jungian therapy in 1 hour, but from what I've seen, he does offer an introduction to the principles of cognitive behavior modification therapy to the average layperson.


That pdf file resides on the Texas State Board of Examiners of Psychologists' website and it is a list of correct information according to the State of Texas. You can request a hard copy here:

If you desire a disciplinary history search on any licensee under the Texas Public Information Act, you may call, e-mail, fax or write the Board to request this information. Please direct your inquiry to Brenda Skiff, 512-305-7700, FAX 512-305-7701, [email protected]. There is no charge for a copy of an agreed order.​


That lady is on the pdf because as a state worker she compiled the list.

Sad to say, he did exactly what it states and he didn't renew his license until 2004....right before he went on the air. Until then all he did was give talks to businesses.

He's no doctor imho (all doctors are suppose to follow the oath...first do no harm...he doesn't follow that rule at all) and he should be ashamed of using this terrible thing for viewer numbers on his show. That girl don't need one more person to use her for personal gain. It's sad. If they really wanted her to get help they'd do this in private where it belongs.
 
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