Are wedding bells ringing?

[DuchessJules22]

I'm guessing that's a reference to murder investigation and the past and that they want to get on with their lives. Too bad Janet can't....

 

[Clearly Confused]

I'm guessing that's a reference to murder investigation and the past and that they want to get on with their lives. Too bad Janet can't....

So sad.

 

[terminatrixator]

Well this is to Raven, As stated ....."It's over". True that, Janet's dead and she can't come back.

Rave, remember this Statute of Limitations never expires on a Murder case though.

I know that you have chosen to ignore anything you have been taught and that you use religion as a tool to get your way or to make other's feel for you, but remember this, you lost the right to be married to Janet for all eternity because you took away her free will.

Remember when it comes to the final judgment you can't lie then. Janet knows what you did to her and her baby and God knows what you did.

It's not over, until it's judgment day.

There WILL BE JUSTICE FOR JANET and her unborn child, eventually

 

[terminatrixator]

So you all remember that disgusting picture of Raven & Vanessa touching tongues?

Well that picture is actually part of the INVITATION to the wedding.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo169/terminatrixator/ravenvanessaick.jpg

Pre-invitations were sent out and it was something tacky like "I know someone getting married" and then asking for their address.

The Invitation states:

"Auria Pond and Kaiden Abaroa are pleased to announce the marriage of her mommy and his daddy.

Vanessa Pond and Raven Abaroa will exchange vows on the twenty-third of August Two thousand and eight in La Jolla, California. Please join them for a celebration on Saturday, the sixth of September from six until nine o-clock at the home of the bride's parents. JoDean and Randy Pond...West Jordan, Utah"

Inside is another card that says

"As we join our lives, we join our homes And settle in to our new abode What's needed can't be put on registry, So in lieu of gifts: a money tree!"

They will be getting married right before the reception. I guess they are low on funds.

Vanessa, if he couldn't give you the wedding you wanted on the beach......don't let him take out a life insurance policy on you!

Janet was married to him in The Temple and he still CHEATED, STOLE, LIED and eventually MURDERED her.

Oh yeah, he told several people he OWNED the Condominium he was living in before you guys started renting your little "abode." Be sure to keep an eye on the finances. He's going to cheat and he's going to steal again Vanessa. More than anything TAKE CARE OF YOUR DAUGHTER.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

So you all remember that disgusting picture of Raven & Vanessa touching tongues?

Well that picture is actually part of the INVITATION to the wedding.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo169/terminatrixator/ravenvanessaick.jpg

Pre-invitations were sent out and it was something tacky like "I know someone getting married" and then asking for their address.

The Invitation states:

"Auria Pond and Kaiden Abaroa are pleased to announce the marriage of her mommy and his daddy.

They ought to be ashamed of themselves. That's surprisingly tacky, even for the two of them. A perfect pair.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

"As we join our lives, we join our homes And settle in to our new abode What's needed can't be put on registry, So in lieu of gifts: a money tree!"

TACKY & CLASSLESS.

I would have thought that Vanessa would have insisted on better for herself and especially for her daughter. This is her first wedding and she's following it up with a barbecue at Mom & Dad's? Awesome. They must be very proud.

ETA: Horrible rhyme too. Doesn't Raven fancy himself a writer? This is the best they could come up with?

 

[terminatrixator]

Same announcements. They never ended up getting married in CA because they were low on funds.

I think the weird thing is Vanessa is reminding me more and more of Karen Abaroa.

 

[L L & S]

TACKY & CLASSLESS.

I would have thought that Vanessa would have insisted on better for herself and especially for her daughter. This is her first wedding and she's following it up with a barbecue at Mom & Dad's? Awesome. They must be very proud.

ETA: Horrible rhyme too. Doesn't Raven fancy himself a writer? This is the best they could come up with?

~~ my bold

omg, I had to read it again, it does almost rhyme.

I threw up a little when I saw the photo. Wonder who the photoG was. That person played a very funny joke on V-Rav, that's the nastiest photo on a wedding announcement/invitation/request for money I have ever seen, and I pay attention to this kind of stuff. Either the photoG's camera should be taken away or BRAVO, nice burn. Seriously, how many people that received this announcement/invitation/request for money in the mail opened it and said.... ewww that's just nasty!! I'm sorry I find that a little funny. I would have loved to have been there for just one opening.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

~~ my bold

omg, I had to read it again, it does almost rhyme.

It does ... and I think it's intentional. Between the words and the cadence, I'm 100% sure that these stooges thought this was a cute, little poem.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Either the photoG's camera should be taken away or BRAVO, nice burn. Seriously, how many people that received this announcement/invitation/request for money in the mail opened it and said.... ewww that's just nasty!! I'm sorry I find that a little funny. I would have loved to have been there for just one opening.

LOL, I agree. I was wondering if they had set up the camera themselves because I couldn't believe that there was a third person that would be involved in something so ridiculous. But then again, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of - shall we say, less than normal folks in the Abaroa circle.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

"As we join our lives, we join our homes
And settle in to our new abode
What's needed can't be put on registry,
So in lieu of gifts: a money tree!"

I just can't get past this tacky request. No matter how poetic, (and I'm using that word very lightly), you try to make it, to ask people for money is just plain wrong. Maybe it depends on who you are or how you're raised - I don't know. But I would be offended if I opened an "invitation" to read this.

I find myself wondering about the last two lines. "What's needed can't be put on registry ..." Well, normally when people marry, what's needed is household stuff ... pots, pans, towels, etc. The very reason we have showers and give money for weddings is to help out the new couple with the HUGE expense of starting a household on their own. Technically, if you are already both in your own homes and you therefore have household items, there's no reason for anyone to bring you gifts. Getting married isn't a way to get cash; the gifts are secondary and are supposed to be a thoughtful gesture, again, not only to help them build their household but also so that in a way, you become a part of the new household with the gift that will reside in the home.

You know, when I read this the first time, I got to the part that said "in lieu" and I was shocked ... I thought that it was going to say something like "in lieu of gifts, send money to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital" (or another type of charity - just wanted to give St. Jude a quick mention). I thought "Wow, no way - Raven & Vanessa are going to ask people to donate money in lieu of gifts"??? I was momentarily impressed. Really, what was I thinking? lol. That would NEVER happen. Again, the quote that I have in my signature, which means SOOOOO much to the type of person that I'm trying to become is little more than words to some others that post it.

Anyway, "what's needed can't be put on (a) registry" - what does that mean? What's needed? Can it not be put on registry because they didn't want prying eyes to see? Was it because they were tired of people commenting on their choices - we all know they had registries so what happened to those? Or did they have the registries strictly for the shower and now that the shower is over and they've collected their gifts that they wouldn't have gotten without a shower, they want to make sure that they don't receive actual gifts at the "reception"? I mean, they couldn't necessarily ask for money for the shower. But since they're combining their homes and don't need items, why didn't they tell people not to bother with a shower? Because they wanted to get the gifts. And now they're asking for cash. Wow, these two are really grateful, huh?

Are they looking for money to pay bills? To build a nursery? To buy a home? To buy life insurance?

This is not a good way to start out a new life. Accepting a bridal shower for gifts you claim you don't need and then asking for cash after changing your wedding plans due to cash shortage. Following it up with potato salad & hot dogs at Mom & Dad's. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong with choosing that as a way to celebrate - I personally think that weddings and receptions have become over the top. But if you're doing it this way because you're dead broke, then maybe you should wait until you can do it the way you've dreamed of.

Vanessa, if Raven changed the plans because of money; if Raven came up with the idea of the tacky way to ask your "loved ones" for cash - keep one eye open at all times. I'm afraid that history might be beginning to repeat itself.

Where'd the money go that they were going to use to get married in CA? I hope that this isn't just the beginning.

 

[Clearly Confused]

I have no words.

 

[terminatrixator]

From what I know they are out of the condominium Raven was living in. I know he told many people, he had moved because he PURCHASED a condo. I know of at least 5 people alone he told he purchased a condo (during the time he worked at Canyon Cycles!) He did NOT own that Condo or the previous condo. He has not owned a home, a condo, an apartment, in years.

He has TOLD people that they owned the HOME in Durham!

Vanessa moved in with Raven, they are now living renting a house.

Did Vanessa put those baby things on the registry?

Did Raven add those baby things to the registry?

Is that something a cold-blooded killer would do, or something a not-too-bright fiance would do to protect her fiance because she thinks we are all dead wrong and she knows her man, and her man would never hurt a fly, cheat, lie, steal?

Raven has been CONVICTED of 5 felonies for being a thief. It is a well-known, documented fact that he cheated on Janet and left Janet while she was pregnant with Kaiden. He did NOT live with Janet for MOST of the pregnancy and just came back home with Janet prior to Kaiden being born. Kaiden was ONLY 6-MONTHS OLD.....when Janet was murdered and she was PREGNANT again.....what does this say V-nay? .

Does Vanessa know or care how many females he's been with since the murder? Does he know the AGES of the females he has been with even during the time Janet alive and after Janet was murdered? He's

asked out underaged girls while married to Janet....

Have a great wedding.

I'm sure Auria and Kaiden will enjoy this bbq, most kids enjoy times like this. When the party's over and real life creeps in, watch over Auria and Kaiden Vanessa, because the man you are marrying is very skeeery.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

I do have to comment on the request for cash. I have heard that it is becoming more accepted - but still they shouldn't have dissed people that were thoughtful enough to give a gift.

I actually have no problem with a family BBQ after a wedding either. I also have no problem with the wedding and the reception being done together at the same place with the wedding right before the reception. I went to a lovely wedding a few weeks ago at an old Manor. There were about 30 family and friends there. White chairs were setup outside. The wedding lasted 5 minutes and then we all went inside and had a sit down dinner together. It was so simply yet so nice. If a family BBQ is done right it can be a nice event as well. OK, so do I really think the BBQ was done or will be done in a classy manner - No. I'm just saying things can be simple but perfect.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

Same announcements. They never ended up getting married in CA because they were low on funds.

I think the weird thing is Vanessa is reminding me more and more of Karen Abaroa.

So does that mean they are not married? That makes me happy. I am thinking that when Raven decides to start cheating he will have an easier out than if they were married.

 

[guera]

I hate him. :furious:

 

[LTUlegal]

I barfed at the money request and the tongue-touching picture.

tacky tacky tacky. Rave always seems to have his hand out, doesn't he?

 

[terminatrixator]

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3456426/?d_feature_story=1

HIS WEDDING MADE FRONT PAGE!

He is not married yet, the wedding is September 6, 2008 before the wedding, so that is wrong, but based on the tacky invitations sent out.

You know, as much as my heart hurts for Janet & her family, this TACKY picture being posted on NC WANTED is just.......PRICELESS !:clap:

 

[terminatrixator]

I do have to comment on the request for cash. I have heard that it is becoming more accepted - but still they shouldn't have dissed people that were thoughtful enough to give a gift.

I actually have no problem with a family BBQ after a wedding either. I also have no problem with the wedding and the reception being done together at the same place with the wedding right before the reception. I went to a lovely wedding a few weeks ago at an old Manor. There were about 30 family and friends there. White chairs were setup outside. The wedding lasted 5 minutes and then we all went inside and had a sit down dinner together. It was so simply yet so nice. If a family BBQ is done right it can be a nice event as well. OK, so do I really think the BBQ was done or will be done in a classy manner - No. I'm just saying things can be simple but perfect.

Rainbows, speaking for myself on this subject.

First, you have such a caring heart and really truly seem to be a special person, very caring and I thank you for being here. You have a softer, more gentler way of saying things and i know you care a lot.

I want you to know that I realize I come off very serious and I have been told I sound harsh at times. I do have feelings and compassion for others. I am too blunt, too forceful, too to the point at times, but it's me, it's my beliefs, and I am a very serious person, but I am compassionate and I have a lot of empathy for others.

I see nothing wrong with people getting married in their backyards, a clerks office, a bbq, a hoedown, skydiving, whatever. I'm not making fun of that. Weddings are personal and lovely even if Elvis marries them. My parents got married at County Clerks Office and my Dad went to his house, and my Mom went to her house. My mom was expecting me and nobody knew for several months.

It's not about that. It's about the fact that Janet was murdered and I fully 100% believe it was by Raven. I know for a fact Raven cheated on Janet so many times. I believe it was planned, premeditated and calculated.

I called it here at WS 3 years ago...if you go back and look at my posts that he was LOOKING FOR A WIFE. He has had SEVERAL serious relationships. I have been told he tried to date an underage girl WHILE being married to Janet. I heard he's been with an underage girl SINCE Janet was murdered. He has, IMO stolen since the embezzlement. He is capable of KILLING again.

Raven is a Sociopath, IMO and will not tell the truth - EVER.

I think Vanessa is not naive and is a bit more worldly than the average girl out in Utah. She wanted to get married at the Beach and it couldn't happen because of funding. They are renting a house. She KNOWS he's not been cleared as a suspect. She knows there is a chance he killed Janet. Yet, she's marrying him anyhow?

Is she liking the attention and notoriety. All the world is indeed a stage and is she just another player?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I see nothing wrong with people getting married in their backyards, a clerks office, a bbq, a hoedown, skydiving, whatever. I'm not making fun of that. Weddings are personal and lovely even if Elvis marries them. My parents got married at County Clerks Office and my Dad went to his house, and my Mom went to her house. My mom was expecting me and nobody knew for several months.

As I stated in my earlier post, I also see nothing wrong with it - IF that's the way one chooses to marry. Again, I feel that people spend way too much on weddings and often lose sight of what should be the real focus. What bothers me is that Vanessa dreamed of a wedding on the beach apparently. They even planned to have their wedding in California. But if I'm understanding one of your earlier posts correctly, they changed those plans because they didn't have the money. She (already) had to give up something that was important to her because apparently they are (already) having money issues. I worry that we are seeing a repeat approaching and I think that Raven allowing this wedding to go forward in spite of not being able to give Vanessa that dream wedding that she wanted and planned is an indication that as always, Raven is Raven's first priority.