Are wedding bells ringing?

[libraryg]

Same announcements. They never ended up getting married in CA because they were low on funds.

I think the weird thing is Vanessa is reminding me more and more of Karen Abaroa.

Snarfy look from me......well don't they say men always marry their moms?


Lord only knows, Janet was a gazillion leagues above "the Rave", to put it mildly.....and don't doubt that he was well aware of this.
Hence the need to "trade down".

 

[libraryg]

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/3456426/?d_feature_story=1

HIS WEDDING MADE FRONT PAGE!

He is not married yet, the wedding is September 6, 2008 before the wedding, so that is wrong, but based on the tacky invitations sent out.

You know, as much as my heart hurts for Janet & her family, this TACKY picture being posted on NC WANTED is just.......PRICELESS !:clap:

My heart truly hurts for Janet, and for Kaiden.
I cannot get the image of Janet, with her radiant smile, out of my mind.
Why do the best women seem to wind up with pond scum?

 

[fran]

I didn't realize Raven was getting married. Gee, had I known he was tying the knot in La Jolla, I would have tried to make the wedding! NOT!!!!

I am sick of these guys getting away with this. YES! YOU, RAVEN, I believe YOU killed Janet!:furious:

This person he found to marry him, where did she come from? Doesn't she realize that IF she doesn't do everything He wants, she'll end up just like Janet?:waitasec:

Stupid, stupid people!



JMHO
fran

 

[terminatrixator]

Fran, he found her at Day Care.

If anyone remembers right when Pness went back home to Utah, he joined a singles group immediately. He has been dating quite heavily since. I have heard a rumor he had quite the serious relationship with an underage girl, when he first got home.

Then there were several others in and outters, and several serious relationships.

When I saw the picture of Auria it sorta reminded me of Janet, not that she looks like Janet, but it was one of those weird thoughts, "omg - Vanessa has that nutty Shiloh look to her, and Auria looks innocent, with the blonde long hair, and lanky like Janet. It creeps me out to know that there is a young girl now that is going to belong in that family, in light of the information I know from back in the day re: his family members.

Janet was a very good person, and I am hoping that Vanessa doesn't get hurt. I am doing the best I can not to judge her, but where is her family and friends - why are they not saying, stop, slow down, this is not good, you don't know him enough, be positive first!

I still pray for Raven, because I know he is a sociopath and has no real conscience. I know he doesn't feel like we feel, and that he really has no remorse for his actions.

I pray for Kaiden, he lost his Mother who loved him dearly and he's being raised by the very man that took her life!

If any of you know Raven personally, you know he's good at conning people. He's good at picking people that are vulnerable and , he can make people believe his lies, and believe in him, by using guilt or whatever means necessary.

It's not like he started stealing as an adult, he's been stealing from his own family since he was a young child. He was always in trouble, he usually can keep control, but he does have a volitile nature. He tries to keep it under lock and key and once in a while he loses self-control and has a temper. MOre often than not though, he keeps control of everything, and even used the franklin Covey planning for things.

If I thought that Raven lost control that night and killed Janet because he had a temper tantrum I would not hound him non-stop like I do. He did not lose control that night. He planned, calculated and he literally staged everything up to the 911 call, imo.

He has continued to lie since. He has had a ton of fun since he's killed Janet. He still lies, he still denies, he will continue to do so until he's locked away. He's more dangerous than most people think he is imo.

If he still reads here, I want him to know that he can't hide from at least one person. I know what he did. I won't turn my head and pretend it didn't happen. I know Raven being in Jail won't bring Janet back, but it will save another woman from being murdered, and I believe he is fully capable of killing again.

Janet and her unborn child deserves Justice!

 

[BirdHunter]

I have heard a rumor he had quite the serious relationship with an underage girl, when he first got home.

That is very interesting to me, because I heard that Raven got a girl pregnant. I wonder if it is the same girl?

 

[terminatrixator]

I heard the same thing which makes the NC Wanted interview, when he talked about children, even more sad. Another reason why the bridal registry disgusted me.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

This person he found to marry him, where did she come from? Doesn't she realize that IF she doesn't do everything He wants, she'll end up just like Janet?:waitasec:

My best guess is that Vanessa is so taken with herself that she believes that Raven won't cheat on her. In her mind, why would he? She's God's gift to men just as Raven believes himself to be God's gift to women. It's the only thing that makes any sense as to why she would be with him. I don't think that either of them believe that there is any better out there than themselves. This is all speculation because I can't think of any other reason why a woman, especially one with a child, would settle for the lowest form of "man".

 

[lauriej]

..who on earth !!!!, with internet/google access would marry raven abaroa ???

..regardless of how charming ( gag ) he may be today to you-------this IS the guy that snuck back into his house that night----------and STABBED TO DEATH his pregnant wife ! ( and he WILL be charged, convicted and sent away for it.)

..he DID this------how on earth could you ever sleep at night with your OWN child nearby, wondering if he will do it again ?

..imagine this vanessa : --------you're home alone with the kids------raven is at at a soccer game------( allegedly ) -----you hear a noise-------and there he is--------with his knife----suddenly stabbing you-!--due to pressure, freedom, bills, etc----------it HAPPENED to janet-------( she is DEAD, ( as in "BLED TO DEATH ON THE FLOOR !" ) in a grave that raven never visits ) ----it COULD VERY WELL happen to you too......your child without a mother.......

..vanessa, you don't want to have your own forum name in websleuths like janet does-----------get rid of raven now-------there are lots of "good guys" out there waiting to meet you...

..think about it.......

 

[terminatrixator]

My best guess is that Vanessa is so taken with herself that she believes that Raven won't cheat on her. In her mind, why would he? She's God's gift to men just as Raven believes himself to be God's gift to women. It's the only thing that makes any sense as to why she would be with him. I don't think that either of them believe that there is any better out there than themselves. This is all speculation because I can't think of any other reason why a woman, especially one with a child, would settle for the lowest form of "man".

Honestly, I hope that she is not that much a female counterpart of Raven. It makes me ill knowing she will be around Kaiden.

The thought of Raven having another child makes me even sicker. He cheated on Janet was she was pregnant with Kaiden, he cheated on Janet when she was pregnant again and then she was murdered. He came home to Utah after the murder, with Kaiden, and I heard he got an underage girl pregnant, who then gave the baby up for adoption, on top hearing of a previous pregnancy concerning Raven before he met Janet.

Take all that and then see the Bridal REgistry and I am sick. I dare anyone to go back and watch the NC Wanted Video now. With that information and see that Raven is getting married, and look at the Wedding Invitations, and remember him talking about his Faith etc (ADD AND CHILDREN) and you tell me, is this guy really the guy he is trying to portray.

I'm sickened and disgusted.

Janet and her unborn child deserve Justice and Kaiden deserves more than a murdering father and a step-mother that is not even bright enough to learn about the man she's marrying, when she has a daughter she should be protecting, when the facts speak for themself.

 

[lauriej]

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo169/terminatrixator/invitation.jpg


Here's the invitation!

..and with vanessa and raven in the same clothes in all of the invitation shots-----------these were STAGED photos FOR the invitation---------not just something random thrown in there.

..raven always looks so "creepy" in pictures---------does she really think she has 'changed' him ??

..vanessa:---------how DO you change a murderer? you don't/you can't..

..even if you don't think he did it------it's quite POSSIBLE that he stabbed to death his wife--he didn't "move out " "divorce her" etc---------he KILLED her.

..why ? because she didn't fit in with his plans at the time.

..correct me if i'm wrong--------but raven is all about RAVEN-------i worry about what will happen if you "rock the boat".

 

[BirdHunter]

Originally Posted by terminatrixator

The thought of Raven having another child makes me even sicker. He cheated on Janet was she was pregnant with Kaiden, he cheated on Janet when she was pregnant again and then she was murdered. He came home to Utah after the murder, with Kaiden, and I heard he got an underage girl pregnant, who then gave the baby up for adoption, on top hearing of a previous pregnancy concerning Raven before he met Janet.

Take all that and then see the Bridal REgistry and I am sick. I dare anyone to go back and watch the NC Wanted Video now. With that information and see that Raven is getting married, and look at the Wedding Invitations, and remember him talking about his Faith etc (ADD AND CHILDREN) and you tell me, is this guy really the guy he is trying to portray.

I'm sickened and disgusted.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

Did he really get a girl pregnant and she gave up the baby for adoption? That wouldn't surprise me based on how many women he has been with...:furious:

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Janet and her unborn child deserve Justice and Kaiden deserves more than a murdering father and a step-mother that is not even bright enough to learn about the man she's marrying, when she has a daughter she should be protecting, when the facts speak for themself.

See, if she wasn't bright enough then I could understand the situation much better. But she DOES know about him and chose to bring him into her daughter's life AS A STEPDAD eek:) in spite of what she knows! I just can't understand it. Again, the only thing that makes any sense is if she's one of those delusional women that thinks that she's the one woman that's going to change him or if she thinks that she's "enough of a woman" to keep her man in line. I can't exactly verbalize what I'm thinking about all of this but we've all known women like that.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

..i worry about what will happen if you "rock the boat".

Or when he tires of her, (and you know he will). Raven seems to get bored easily. Perhaps it has something to do with mania.

 

[SeekingJana]

Or when he tires of her, (and you know he will). Raven seems to get bored easily. Perhaps it has something to do with mania.

In his short-lived " blog", you know, the one where he most memorably wrote the " If I was a bird- wait, I am" post, he also wrote some posts which probably no longer exist. He said he had ADHD now as an adult, and said that Franklin Covey software had helped him with the ADHD.

Maybe it's both ADHD and Bi-Polar. Who knows if he has ever been diagnosed with ADHD, and what ADHD meds he might have been and is taking?

My only hope for Vanessa's co-dependency is that she has the sense to refuse to sign any life insurance policy applications for her and her daughter.

BTW, that reminds me- do either one of them, Raven or Vanessa, work? How are they going to support a family of 4?
Why are the lyrics to Cher's old song, " Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" , going through my head?

 

[guera]

I wonder how many pregnancies this guy has been responsible for! One before Janet (in college? high school?), three with Janet (including the ectopic pregnancy), at least one AFTER Janet that was given up for adoption (the BEST THING THAT GIRL COULD'VE DONE, in my opinion)... Geez. Why are the sociopaths always so fertile??

I wonder if he ever got any of his mistresses pregnant??

 

[terminatrixator]

Did he really get a girl pregnant and she gave up the baby for adoption? That wouldn't surprise me based on how many women he has been with...:furious:

YES! He got an underage mormon girl pregnant, in Utah right after the murder. Raven, the girl and her parents thought it best to put the baby up for adoption.

I also know he got another girl pregnant before he met Janet, but that she decided not to have the baby.

 

[terminatrixator]

See, if she wasn't bright enough then I could understand the situation much better. But she DOES know about him and chose to bring him into her daughter's life AS A STEPDAD eek:) in spite of what she knows! I just can't understand it. Again, the only thing that makes any sense is if she's one of those delusional women that thinks that she's the one woman that's going to change him or if she thinks that she's "enough of a woman" to keep her man in line. I can't exactly verbalize what I'm thinking about all of this but we've all known women like that.

I can't verbalize it either, she either has to be that dumb, or cold-calculating and so much like Karen, that she's actually dangerous. The two of them together would be extremely dangerous.

 

[terminatrixator]

BTW, that reminds me- do either one of them, Raven or Vanessa, work? How are they going to support a family of 4?
Why are the lyrics to Cher's old song, " Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves" , going through my head?

I was born in the wagon of a travellin show
My mama used to dance for the money theyd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of doctor good

Chorus
Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
Wed hear it from the people of the town
Theyd call us gypsys, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Picked up a boy just south of mobile
Gave him a ride, filled him with a hot meal
I was sixteen, he was twenty-one
Rode with us to memphis
And papa woulda shot him if he knew what hed done

Chorus

I never had schoolin but he taught me well
With his smooth southern style
Three months later Im a gal in trouble
And I havent seen him for a while, uh-huh
I havent seen him for a while, uh-huh

She was born in the wagon of a travellin show
Her mama had to dance for the money theyd throw
Grandpad do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of doctor good

Chorus chorus fades

 

[terminatrixator]

I wonder how many pregnancies this guy has been responsible for! One before Janet (in college? high school?), three with Janet (including the ectopic pregnancy), at least one AFTER Janet that was given up for adoption (the BEST THING THAT GIRL COULD'VE DONE, in my opinion)... Geez. Why are the sociopaths always so fertile??

I wonder if he ever got any of his mistresses pregnant??

Well if he did, you know they aren't coming to him for child support, because he never has any money, until he start's a scamming again.