Are wedding bells ringing?

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

I'm actually surprised we aren't hearing any of the mistresses talking out about him. I'm sure they are all saying now that the best thing they ever did was have things end with Raven.

 

[terminatrixator]

In his short-lived " blog", you know, the one where he most memorably wrote the " If I was a bird- wait, I am" post, he also wrote some posts which probably no longer exist. He said he had ADHD now as an adult, and said that Franklin Covey software had helped him with the ADHD.

Maybe it's both ADHD and Bi-Polar. Who knows if he has ever been diagnosed with ADHD, and what ADHD meds he might have been and is taking?

My only hope for Vanessa's co-dependency is that she has the sense to refuse to sign any life insurance policy applications for her and her daughter.

Meh - He may be ADHD and Bi-Polar however, thank goodness that those cannot be used in any sort of defense.

Janet was NOT murdered in a rage, so there goes bi-polar adhd rage.

Her murder was planned, premeditated, calculated and the person that murdered her, held her with one arm around her as in a hug then picked up his right arm holding a knife and PLUNGED the knife into her chest, he then did it again, and then left her on the ground to die, while that person changed clothes, collected his lap top, cleaned himself up, took the knife and disposed of these items.

 

[terminatrixator]

I'm actually surprised we aren't hearing any of the mistresses talking out about him. I'm sure they are all saying now that the best thing they ever did was have things end with Raven.

Rainbows, if you were with Raven, would you admit it?

I don't think using an sos pad on my entire body would erase the unclean feeling I would have after him.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

ok, that is just a gross thought - being with Raven. Thanks for planting that in my brain. Where are those SOS pads for my brain when I need them.

 

[guera]

I was born in the wagon of a travellin show
My mama used to dance for the money theyd throw
Papa would do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of doctor good

Chorus
Gypsys, tramps, and thieves
Wed hear it from the people of the town
Theyd call us gypsys, tramps, and thieves
But every night all the men would come around
And lay their money down

Picked up a boy just south of mobile
Gave him a ride, filled him with a hot meal
I was sixteen, he was twenty-one
Rode with us to memphis
And papa woulda shot him if he knew what hed done

Chorus

I never had schoolin but he taught me well
With his smooth southern style
Three months later Im a gal in trouble
And I havent seen him for a while, uh-huh
I havent seen him for a while, uh-huh

She was born in the wagon of a travellin show
Her mama had to dance for the money theyd throw
Grandpad do whatever he could
Preach a little gospel, sell a couple bottles of doctor good

Chorus chorus fades

Why does that song seem just sooooo appropriate for them... especially that first bolded line...

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

YES! He got an underage mormon girl pregnant, in Utah right after the murder. Raven, the girl and her parents thought it best to put the baby up for adoption.

Giving the baby up for adoption is the greatest gift that baby could have ever received. That baby will have a chance at making his/her own life without the weight of who the sperm donor was bearing on their shoulders. I can't think of any better gift that girl could have given her baby than for the chance at a normal life. That is love.

 

[terminatrixator]

YES! He got an underage mormon girl pregnant, in Utah right after the murder. Raven, the girl and her parents thought it best to put the baby up for adoption.

Giving the baby up for adoption is the greatest gift that baby could have ever received. That baby will have a chance at making his/her own life without the weight of who the sperm donor was bearing on their shoulders. I can't think of any better gift that girl could have given her baby than for the chance at a normal life. That is love.

True that, I agree. I don't think if I was the parents of the girl, I would have kept it hidden and a big secret. I think I would woop the crap out of Raven, then pressed charges against him, but you know that's just me.

I hope the girl does well in schooling and learns not to make such poor decisions in the men she decides to be with* in the future. We all know that Raven is doing well picking women that are vulnerable, naive or well...like his Momma.

My point was Raven's wife was just buried, she was murdered and he's hitting on underage girls (like when he was married to Janet!)

We're basically talking about him leaving NC and dating IMMEDIATELY after his pregnant wife was murdered, with his six-month old child in the home at the time of the murder.

Everything Raven does get's hidden or ignored by people in his life. He's been a thief, a cheat forever, and his family & friends seem to ignore it.

I remember back during the Scott Peterson trial people bashed Amber Frey, but you know what, she had some serious guts. She came forward and took the sneers and the jeers and she was extremely brave and should be commended.

Admittedly, Raven is pond scum, he's a murderer, but if I was one of the women that had been with Raven, even for a week, during the time married to Janet or after, I would call Law Enforcement.

I hope these people aren't afraid of him and his immediate family or are they just too selfish they don't want to rock the boat or get involved.

There will be people at that wedding, that believes 100% that he killed Janet and will give a card. That in itself makes me want to PUKE!

I can't believe those close to him are that afraid to speak their mind. How come so many are afraid to come out and ask him.....Why did you kill Janet?

Anyhow, since I can't make the wedding, maybe one of you can whisper Vanessa for me and tell her not to sign any insurance policies.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Meh - He may be ADHD and Bi-Polar however, thank goodness that those cannot be used in any sort of defense.

Janet was NOT murdered in a rage, so there goes bi-polar adhd rage.

Her murder was planned, premeditated, calculated and the person that murdered her, held her with one arm around her as in a hug then picked up his right arm holding a knife and PLUNGED the knife into her chest, he then did it again, and then left her on the ground to die, while that person changed clothes, collected his lap top, cleaned himself up, took the knife and disposed of these items.

We know that committing a crime while intoxicated does not absolve you of guilt nor does it lend any leniency in court. So I wonder ... if a doctor were to diagnose you and recommend medication for things like bi-polar and you choose not to take them, resulting in a manic episode that ends in murder, would the same principle apply?

 

[SeekingJana]

We know that committing a crime while intoxicated does not absolve you of guilt nor does it lend any leniency in court. So I wonder ... if a doctor were to diagnose you and recommend medication for things like bi-polar and you choose not to take them, resulting in a manic episode that ends in murder, would the same principle apply?

All I know about this is that a person I went to school with developed a serious mental illness in adulthood. I am not certain if he was BP or schizophrenic. His father was a distinguished doctor and the ill son was a psychologist when he had his first break. He was under expert psychiatric care, had been hospitalized numerous times when he felt he could not manage as an out[-patient, and was coping well with medication. So well that he did what most truly mentally ill do, he stopped taking his medication one day in a flight to wellness in his own mind.

He was a genius ( unlike Raven). He had excellent family support ( unlike Raven, whose family is more like a COVEN than normal people), yet my old schoolhood friend ended up doing mortal harm during a manic frenzy while off his meds.
He was shot to death, unarmed, on his own lawn by a sheriff's deputy who failed to call for backup to subdue my old friend.

BTW, I agree with Term that Raven didn't commit this murder in a crazed haze. He planned it, just like he planned and executed his other crimes. He was born into a sick, sick family and he is totally assimilated into their sub-culture. Janet was his only link to normalcy. Ever.
Has anyone read his account about seeing her for the first time on campus? I think he saw the innocence and goodness and the goodness of her entire family and preyed on her from the very start til the last breath she took.

All I can think is- how does Raven get away with so much while good people who are trying to have a life that matters suffer and die?

GYPSIES, TRAMPS AND THIEVES must have 9 lives and incredible instincts.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[SeekingJana]

Meh - He may be ADHD and Bi-Polar however, thank goodness that those cannot be used in any sort of defense.

Janet was NOT murdered in a rage, so there goes bi-polar adhd rage.

Her murder was planned, premeditated, calculated and the person that murdered her, held her with one arm around her as in a hug then picked up his right arm holding a knife and PLUNGED the knife into her chest, he then did it again, and then left her on the ground to die, while that person changed clothes, collected his lap top, cleaned himself up, took the knife and disposed of these items.

I agree with you Term. He planned ALL his crimes, both felonies and misdemeanors ( statutory rape) with extreme attention to self- preservation. Wonder if Franklin Covey helped him organize his criminal mind?

Maria

The Abaroa- Peters Coven- Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves, and one murderer

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Oh, I definitely agree that this was planned. I just wonder if he'd be able to use his bi-polar disorder as a defense. My guess would be no but I don't know for sure. And again, I'm curious how the court views situations like these if the defendant chose, in contrast to doctor's recommendations, to not use the medication.

 

[SeekingJana]

Another chapter in the Ravin' Raven saga is about to close.

I pray for the children involved. Oh, I worry so.

Once these two are married, I hope this thread is closed. They don't need any more glorification for their nuptials. We can discuss things like getting insurance policies on a spouse on the sly.
Sorry, but this is how I think about Raving.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think that the thread should remain open so that we won't have to start a new one down the road when he gets married for a 3rd time.

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

I think that the thread should remain open so that we won't have to start a new one down the road when he gets married for a 3rd time.

I laughed when I read this and thought, yeah that marriage won't last - the way he cheats, lies, and steals. Then I realized you were likely talking about how Janet passed and my heart sunk thinking I sure hope not. All I can say is that I tried to tell her not to marry him. I feel strongly that Vanessa read here and has made her decision. I sure hope her and her daughter are ok and don't become the next victims.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

No, no R&G - I meant it to give you all a chuckle, (and because I don't believe that any marriage with Raven will ever last - I think he's incapable). I'm sorry if it brought up thoughts that made you sad.

 

[Hummingbird]

My question is this: If they were at the beach for the pictures, why couldn't they afford to get married there? Okay, maybe the pictures were taken a couple of months ago, and they traveled back to Utah and found they had blown it all. Sounds like pretty poor planning, to me. The more tasteful thing to do, and probably less expensive, would have been to get married on the beach, then send announcements that had photos of the wedding.... But, since it's Raven, I don't expect tasteful, just showy.

Just to add my 2 cents: I don't know Vanessa personally at all. However, from the few pictures I have seen of her, she strikes me as quite world wise, and probably the same caliber of person as Raven. I think they deserve each other, but I pity the children. I can't help but wonder if she could be as much a threat to Raven and he can be to her....

 

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

My question is this: If they were at the beach for the pictures, why couldn't they afford to get married there?

Afford is an interesting word. I can't afford furniture, but I recently bought a used car. I can't afford to travel, but I can go out to eat once a month. Could I have skipped the car (which didn't cost much) and get furniture - yes. Could I save for a few months and go on a weekend trip with my family - sure.

Afford is all about how you allocate your money. In North Carolina, Raven couldn't afford rent and food, but he could afford to drop of Kaiden at a babysitter while he stayed home. Raven could afford to soup up his car and wear all of the nicest clothes. Raven can afford to travel all over the US for bike competititions or high adventure stuff.

The word afford often has more to do with priorities than anything else.

 

[lauriej]

Afford is an interesting word. I can't afford furniture, but I recently bought a used car. I can't afford to travel, but I can go out to eat once a month. Could I have skipped the car (which didn't cost much) and get furniture - yes. Could I save for a few months and go on a weekend trip with my family - sure.

Afford is all about how you allocate your money. In North Carolina, Raven couldn't afford rent and food, but he could afford to drop of Kaiden at a babysitter while he stayed home. Raven could afford to soup up his car and wear all of the nicest clothes. Raven can afford to travel all over the US for bike competititions or high adventure stuff.

The word afford often has more to do with priorities than anything else.

..good point R & G..

..going way back in the threads, yes-------raven seems to always be able to "afford" it--if it relates to raven------------his VX, his biking,his soccer club, his...his...his...

..i have absolutely 0 doubt that he did murder janet due to finances-------low-life, greedy scum that he is.

..of course vanessa reads here--------certainly she has, or someone has 'googled' raven's name--------she's either loving the spotlight of being with him--------or terrified of trying to leave, afraid of what may happen if she does ?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The word afford often has more to do with priorities than anything else.

Very good points in this post! I guess it just goes to show that marrying Vanessa in the way of which she dreamed was not a priority for Raven.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

BTW, welcome back Hummingbird!