Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 *AL extortion trial* *Guilty* #3

[arielilane]

As part of the plea agreement, Holloway family attorney John Q. Kelly told Today, “It was conditioned upon Mr. van der Sloot revealing details of how Natalee died and how her body was disposed of. There won’t be any further investigator or search…for Natalee’s remains.”



Does that mean van der Sloot will stand before a federal judge Wednesday and give a detailed account of what happened to Natalee, and then based on his statement in open court be charged with murder in Aruba?



Experts say neither is likely.

“I don’t think he’s going to confess to murder tomorrow” in court, said former Northern District of Alabama U.S. Attorney Jay Town.



“I think that’s something that’s probably going to be done by affidavit and given to the Holloway family and maybe we’ll never see it. I don’t know.”

If Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing Natalee Holloway what will happen to him?

Oct. 17, 2023, 1:50 p.m.

 

[schooling]

As part of the plea agreement, Holloway family attorney John Q. Kelly told Today, “It was conditioned upon Mr. van der Sloot revealing details of how Natalee died and how her body was disposed of. There won’t be any further investigator or search…for Natalee’s remains.”



Does that mean van der Sloot will stand before a federal judge Wednesday and give a detailed account of what happened to Natalee, and then based on his statement in open court be charged with murder in Aruba?



Experts say neither is likely.

“I don’t think he’s going to confess to murder tomorrow” in court, said former Northern District of Alabama U.S. Attorney Jay Town.



“I think that’s something that’s probably going to be done by affidavit and given to the Holloway family and maybe we’ll never see it. I don’t know.”

If Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing Natalee Holloway what will happen to him?

Oct. 17, 2023, 1:50 p.m.

I read earlier that it was the FBI that was handling the affidavit and that Beth promised to immediately share with the public the contents within.

Maybe I read wrong or the article was based on bad sourcing? I can try and find it.

 

[Seattle1]

In no country of the world, under no legal jurisdiction is he a declared suspect in the disappearance of NH. And while many brickbats were thrown at Aruba "island justice", the fact of the matter is that the Netherlands' law was applied. He was arrested several times, declared a suspect, but no crime was proven to have taken place, he is no longer a suspect.

I disagree that in no country in the world, under no legal jurisdiction, is JVDS not a suspect if not the prime suspect in the disappearance of NH!

From Sydney to Alabama -- the headlines read the same-- SUSPECT. While there was insufficient evidence to charge JVDS with disappearing NH, that is nowhere the same as deeming him cleared, and not suspected.

And more importantly, I trust the terms of his recent plea agreement have nothing to do with hearsay:

An attorney for Holloway’s family, John Q Kelly, confirmed to CNN that Van der Sloot’s intention was to reverse his not guilty plea as part of a deal with prosecutors.

Kelly told NBC’s Today that one of the deal’s conditions requires Van der Sloot to reveal how Holloway died and how her body had been disposed of.

“There won’t be any further investigation or search … for Natalee’s remains,” Kelly said on Today.

 

[Mica]

John Q Kelly speaks in video…

https://x.com/todayshow/status/1713883212810748323?s=61&t=Md_MIOp_dgU2G_iGhj6RCg

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714387230125437133

 

[Megnut]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714387230125437133

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Smacks of a sad burial at sea. Forever lost.

JMO

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

“There won’t be any further investigation or search … for Natalee’s remains,” Kelly said on Today.

rsbm

Yet he also said the deal is conditioned on the FBI corroborating the information. So Kelly's being a bit contradictory.

 

[Emi]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace: Joran van der Sloot to Reveal How Natalee Holloway Died in Court

Joran van der Sloot’s Alabama court appearance Wednesday could give Natalee Holloway’s family information they have been seeking since 2005. The main suspect in Holloway’s disappearance is expected to plead guilty to charges of extorting and defrauding the teen’s mother. It is not known what...

www.crimeonline.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1714389726029848715

 

[lonetraveler]

My take on this is that Joran will simply say that she was dumped by boat off shore, therefore her body can never be found.

 

[NuttMegg]

rsbm

Yet he also said the deal is conditioned on the FBI corroborating the information. So Kelly's being a bit contradictory.

Another link i posted here last night said that BH would read what jvds said to FBI when he had just arrived from Peru.

 

[NuttMegg]

As part of the plea agreement, Holloway family attorney John Q. Kelly told Today, “It was conditioned upon Mr. van der Sloot revealing details of how Natalee died and how her body was disposed of. There won’t be any further investigator or search…for Natalee’s remains.”



Does that mean van der Sloot will stand before a federal judge Wednesday and give a detailed account of what happened to Natalee, and then based on his statement in open court be charged with murder in Aruba?



Experts say neither is likely.

“I don’t think he’s going to confess to murder tomorrow” in court, said former Northern District of Alabama U.S. Attorney Jay Town.



“I think that’s something that’s probably going to be done by affidavit and given to the Holloway family and maybe we’ll never see it. I don’t know.”

If Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing Natalee Holloway what will happen to him?

Oct. 17, 2023, 1:50 p.m.

From your link, above

"Van der Sloot is likely ready to return to Peru where he has more liberties than he does in the Shelby County Jail, where he has been held for the past four months.

“He’s got a wife and girlfriend back there,’’ Town said. “He gets to sit in a cell and play online poker.”

 

[NuttMegg]

Smacks of a sad burial at sea. Forever lost.

JMO

To my mind it was always the sea or Venezuela which is very close and was said to have lots of contraband traffic.

Re the press conference I bet that not one new word from jvds is uttered re NH demise or disappearance. So I bet it will be a pre-existing version.

 

[NuttMegg]

Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to wire fraud and extortion, apologizes to Holloway family

Joran van der Sloot apologized to both the Holloway and his own family, saying that he hoped the statement would provide them with peace.

www.wvtm13.com

Joran van der Sloot cannot be charged for murder if he reveals the information about Holloway's death because of a 12-year statute of limitations in Aruba.

 

[SteveS]

Another link i posted here last night said that BH would read what jvds said to FBI when he had just arrived from Peru.

Just arrived? No, "when he had just arrived" is NOT what was said in your link. Nor would that make any sense, because if JVDS had given it all up right after landing in the US, his attorney in the negotiations over the last few weeks would have had nothing to bargain with in seeking a plea deal for a reduced sentence of some sort.

(To clarify, the wording in the link was "once he arrived to US" which is specific as to location, but not as to exactly when. It would be indicating it happened at SOME non-specified time while he was in the US.)

But the mention of the FBI in these various reports is indeed significant, because they are the ones who would investigate and verify. For the FBI to get involved, the JVDS statement would first have to be offered to the prosecutors as the gatekeepers of any offer of a deal, who would have to turn to the FBI for verification. Prior to that, I would wager any proffer and proposed deal would have been discussed with the victims (the Holloways) because of the nature of this crime as well as the murder that preceded, in the context of deciding what value to place on such info from JVDS in a deal. As the FBI investigated, it is logical they too would have shared contents with Kelly (a witness, and Holloway's attorney) to double-check against what he might know.

My point is that while they are speaking vaguely at this point, before the court and official deal is offered to the judge, I would wager that the statement is already in writing, signed UNDER OATH AND THE PENALTY OF PERJURY, known word-for-word by both prosecution and court of what it will say, and has been shared with both Kelly and the Holloways.

One important point -- if there was not something truly significant in what JVDS said, and if it wasn't checked and double-checked, there would not be a hearing yet, and no deal. Prosecutors have no reason to give him a break unless he has something SOLID and VERY USEFUL to them, and which they have already examined it and agreed.

It would seem close to certain that this has all been locked down for a week or so, completed prior to the setting of a court date for plea-sentence.

We will be the last to know. Media has found out a tiny bit, but much of what they are saying can be confusing because they mix in their own guesses, plus guesses and speculation of others.

Patience. No need to pretend to know. JVDS's statement will have been written, signed by JVDS under the penalty of perjury, and is undoubtedly already in the court's possession. And don't fret, BH (who undoubtedly knows its contents already) has committed to sharing what Murder Boy has admitted, which she will share with all of us after the court gives a sentence. If it has satisfied her (and apparently it has), it's certainly good by me -- she and her family and the ones who need to be satisfied.

I still hope JVDS will end up with enough to keep him behind bars forever. The women we care about deserve to be kept safe from this monster who preys on women.

 

[SteveS]

Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to wire fraud and extortion, apologizes to Holloway family

Joran van der Sloot apologized to both the Holloway and his own family, saying that he hoped the statement would provide them with peace.

www.wvtm13.com

Joran van der Sloot cannot be charged for murder if he reveals the information about Holloway's death because of a 12-year statute of limitations in Aruba.

1 12 years is an incredibly short Statute Of Limitations on the murder of another human, and conveys such a low regard for human life. If that's true about what they do in Aruba with murder, so sad to hear. I defer to any Aruban lawyer in the forum as to its truth.
2 Of course Aruba's SOL is not a complete Get Out of Jail Free card for murdering Natalee. AS WE SEE RIGHT NOW, long after that 12 years has ended, JVDS can be tried and locked up in other jurisdictions for things he has done, and at times legal jurisdiction on crimes may extend beyond borders. Think about where we are.
... As an aside, I know some in this forum smugly stated very early on that this charge was pointless, a dead end, not really a crime, not prosecutable in the US, and just a meaningless diversion for him, yet as it unfolds we see the exact opposite is true -- it was indeed a crime that mattered, his neck was in a noose, and now he's working hard to somehow lessen what punishment he will be hit with here. This was certainly the right move. Guilty, caught red-handed. Case closed.
3 What if there's another charge and another prosecution down the road? It could happen. I truly believe he will not be truly safe from further prosecution, no matter what the Aruba SOL might say about him killing Natalee and whatever plea deal he signs in the US, until and unless Beth Holloway is also satisfied that he has received the justice for his crime against her daughter. She is a smart determined mother who will find a way, if she thinks it's needed. He'd better watch out, and mind his manners. If he's smart (and I don't think he is as smart as he thinks he is), he'd better do everything he can not just to get a deal, but also to see that Beth (who has the full power of the USA itself on her side) is now satisfied too. Just saying.
4 To add to that point - Aruba's SOL actually might not be as helpful as he might think, and might open a door. [I won't share my thinking on that until he signs and submits his sworn-under-oath statement and the sentence and plea is in place, but will share more in a day or three.]
5 So is this the last chapter? Or will there be even more doors opened in the future to take him down further? IMO Girl-Killing Murder Boy needs to stay locked up forever, or executed. We'll see where it goes.

 

[katydid23]

To my mind it was always the sea or Venezuela which is very close and was said to have lots of contraband traffic.

Re the press conference I bet that not one new word from jvds is uttered re NH demise or disappearance. So I bet it will be a pre-existing version.

Maybe one of the pre-existing stories is mostly true.

But HEY, update just now:

Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing Natalee Holloway in 2005: report

Joran van der Sloot has confessed to the American authorities that he killed Natalee Holloway. The 18-year-old American woman disappeared in Aruba in 2005. His confession will be announced during a court case in Alabama in the United States on Wednesday, De Telegraaf reports.

nltimes.nl

Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing Natalee Holloway in 2005: report​

Joran van der Sloot has confessed to the American authorities that he killed Natalee Holloway. The 18-year-old American woman disappeared in Aruba in 2005. His confession will be announced during a court case in Alabama in the United States on Wednesday, De Telegraaf reports.

The FBI has investigated Van der Sloot’s confession in recent months and considers it credible, partly due to a lie detector test he took last week, according to the newspaper. The Dutchman’s confession means that the United States prosecutor now considers the case around Holloway’s disappearance solved.


In exchange for his confession and an admission of guilt for extorting Holloway’s family, the prosecutor in Alabama offered Van der Sloot a reduced sentence of 20 years in prison. If the court approves the deal on Wednesday, Van der Sloot will be flown back to Peru to serve the rest of his sentence for murdering the Peruvian woman Stephany Flores and drug smuggling. That sentence ends in 2045.

According to the newspaper, Van der Sloot won’t get any extra punishment in the United States for Holloway’s murder. Because he killed her in Arua and is still a suspect there, the United States has no legal options to try Van der Sloot for the murder.

 

[katydid23]

Joran van der Sloot pleads guilty to wire fraud and extortion, apologizes to Holloway family

Joran van der Sloot apologized to both the Holloway and his own family, saying that he hoped the statement would provide them with peace.

www.wvtm13.com

Joran van der Sloot cannot be charged for murder if he reveals the information about Holloway's death because of a 12-year statute of limitations in Aruba.

I don't think anyone cares if he is charged or not. He is already incarcerated until 2045.

It is closure for her family, for him to admit his crime, and they can stop trying to solve the case and beating their heads against the wall. And so people blindly defending him cannot keep saying g he was unfairly railroaded anymore.

The truth is out. He killed her, just like everyone who followed the facts thought he did. JMO

 

[katydid23]

To clarify:

"The FBI has investigated Van der Sloot’s confession in recent months and considers it credible, partly due to a lie detector test he took last week, according to the newspaper. The Dutchman’s confession means that the United States prosecutor now considers the case around Holloway’s disappearance solved."

Joran van der Sloot confesses to killing Natalee Holloway in 2005: report

Joran van der Sloot has confessed to the American authorities that he killed Natalee Holloway. The 18-year-old American woman disappeared in Aruba in 2005. His confession will be announced during a court case in Alabama in the United States on Wednesday, De Telegraaf reports.

nltimes.nl

 

[Niner]

This is a bit long with all my notes since I last posted this - I will shorten it up now.

Wednesday, October 18th:
*Plea & Sentencing Hearing (@ 9:30 am CT) - AL - U.S. Federal case - For crimes of extortion ($250K) & wire fraud against Elizabeth (Beth) Ann Holloway. *Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (22 @ time of crime/35/now 36) being federally indicted & charged (7/30/10) & arraigned (6/9/23) with extortion & wire fraud after he allegedly tried to sell information regarding the location of Natalee's body to Beth Holloway. Van der Sloot allegedly asked for a total of $250K for the information, with $25K to be paid up front & the rest being paid when Natalee's remains were positively identified in Aruba. She was officially declared dead by Alabama courts on Jan. 12, 2012. Plead not guilty. Held without bond in Shelby County jail.
Van der Sloot is serving 28 years in a Peruvian prison for the murder of Stephany Flores. Has served 10 years as of 2/17/23. Van der Sloot was sentenced (1/10/23) to another 18 years for drug smuggling, New sentence means he will remain in jail until 2045. Another article says release date is June, 2038.
Alabama: Federal Judge Karon Bowdre recused herself from the case on Wednesday, 5/17/23 & Judge Anna M. Manasco was assigned to the case. Court hearings will take place in Birmingham, Alabama in Jefferson County. Prosecuted by Lloyd Peeples, chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Criminal Division & Assistant U.S. Attorney Catherine Crosby. Van der Sloot’s is Federal public defender Kevin Buler.
Trial was set to begin on 7/17/23 was continued with no further dates.
Case info & extradition info from 5/10/23 to 6/6/23 reference post #158 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...way-18-oranjestad-30-may-2005-3.678249/page-8
6/6/23 Additional Update: According to court documents the petition challenges the temporary transfer of van der Sloot from a Peru prison to the US. Lawyer Maximo Altez argued for the cessation of the transfer due to a reported lack of official notification. The petition reportedly contradicts Altez’s previous statements made on May 3, where he indicated that van der Sloot had agreed to the transfer & was not expected to file a habeas corpus application. Van der Sloot is currently held at the Ancón 1 prison in Peru & is expected to be handed over to US authorities later this week. van der Sloot has lost his extradition appeal & will be sent to the U.S., according to the Peruvian Supreme Court. The Superior Court in Lima, Peru, ordered Van der Sloot be handed over to FBI agents on Thursday, 6/8/23 according to a statement published on social media on Tuesday. “With this resolution, the Judge has completed procedures for the transfer (passive extradition) of Van Der Sloot, who will be prosecuted in the United States of America for the alleged crimes of extortion & fraud against Elizabeth Ann Holloway,” the statement concludes. The FBI plane carrying van der Sloot has landed at the Birmingham-Shuttlesworth International Airport @ 2:20pm 6/8/23.
6/8/23 Update: Arraignment hearing on 6/9/23 @ 11am in Federal County in Birmingham. He is being held in the Hoover City Jail, He will stay here until he is tried & once he is convicted, which I believe he will be, he will stay here until he is sentenced. The moment he is sentenced though, he is sent back to Peru to serve out the remainder of his murder sentence down there, which if he is not paroled or released early, that is 2040. When he is released from the Peruvian prison, he is then extradited back to the United States, to a Bureau of Prisons facility.” If convicted of both charges, van der Sloot faces a maximum sentence of 50 years.
6/9/23 Update: In the less than five-minute-long hearing US Magistrate Judge Gray Borden said he would only accept a not guilty plea at this time & if van der Sloot were to enter any other plea it would be before a different judge at a different time. Van der Sloot has decided not to use an interpreter during his first court appearance. He was advised of his rights. He responded, “yes, sir” to the judge & a not guilty plea was just entered on his behalf to extortion & wire fraud charges. He was appointed a federal defender Kevin Butler to represent him in the case. Van der Sloot also waived his right to a detention hearing. He will be custody pending his trial. The judge this morning issued a protective order regarding potential evidence containing “sensitive information” such as addresses & bank account numbers. Remanded to custody of the Shelby County jail. 6/9/23: File 30: Standing Brady Discovery Order. File 31: Standing discovery Order with instructions & dealines set out. File 32: Scheduling order 7 Notice that certain deadlines & instructions apply as set out. File 33: Unopposed motion to continue trial & pretrial deadlines by defense.
6/26/23 Update: van der Sloot has waived his right to a speedy trial & asked for an extension on pretrial deadlines, including whether or not he will plead guilty or move forward through the court process. Van der Sloot’s federal public defender, Kevin Butler, on Monday asked the court for a 30-day extension on those pretrial deadlines & asked that the court continue trial setting for at least 60 days. The deadline for van der Sloot to inform the judge whether he intends to plead guilty or go to trial is currently set for 7/17/23. The judge has not yet ruled on van der Sloot’s motion, but the Northern District of Alabama U.S. Attorney’s Office, which is prosecuting van der Sloot, is not opposing the defense’s request, court records show. “Because undersigned counsel needs additional time to review the discovery, investigate this case, and prepare for trial, it is in the interest of justice to continue the motions deadline and the trial setting,’’ Butler wrote.
6/27/23 Update: U.S. Magistrate Judge Gray Borden on Tuesday pushed back the possible trial for Natalee Holloway suspect van der Sloot to fall. The order comes after van der Sloot filed a waiver of his right to a speedy trial on Tuesday. Van der Sloot walked into the Birmingham courtroom confidently with a smirk on his face, with Beth Holloway's eyes on him for most of the arraignment. U.S. Magistrate Judge Gray Borden said in the ruling that the deadline for pretrial motions is extended to Sept. 11, 2023 with any response due no later than 9/18/23. A specific trial date will be set by a federal judge, Borden wrote.
7/12/23 Update: van der Sloot's next hearing will be in October. Until then, he'll remain jailed in Alabama. Trial set to begin on 7/17/23 was cancelled/vacated. 8/22/23 Update: van der Sloot is hoping to negotiate a plea deal in the fraud & extortion case related to the missing American teen, The Messenger has learned. American attorneys for van der Sloot, who's currently awaiting trial in a jail in Holloway's home state of Alabama, have met at least twice with federal prosecutors to facilitate a deal in the case, sources confirm. If an agreement can be reached, van der Sloot would avoid a lengthy trial on U.S. soil & return to Peru, where he was convicted of murder in 2010.
9/12/23 Update: Order signed 9/12/23 Judge Gray Borden granted a request from van der Sloot’s lawyers to allow more time to prepare for the trial pursuant to defendant's 2nd unopposed Motion (#35) to extend trial & pretrial deadlines. The deadline for pretrial motions is extended to November 13, 2023, with any response due no later than November 20, 2023. The parties shall notify the court on the earliest practicable business day the lawyers are able to determine whether the case is to be placed on the consent docket or scheduled for trial but, in either case, no later than November 20, 2023. The trial date will be set by separate order by a United States District Judge. U.S. Magistrate Judge Gray Borden on Tuesday granted van der Sloot’s request to postpone the trial, which will now occur sometime after Dec. 4, 2023.
10/13/23 Update: Court records filed Friday indicate van der Sloot intends to plead guilty in a federal case accusing him of trying to extort money from the missing teen’s mother. A federal judge set an 10/18/23 plea & sentencing hearing @ 9:30am for van der Sloot in Birmingham, Alabama. He had previously entered a plea of not guilty in the case. van der Sloot is expected to plead guilty to his involvement in an extortion plot connected to Natalee Holloway's disappearance, and her family's lawyer said the deal will require him to reveal how the Alabama teen died. “It [the plea agreement] was conditioned upon van der Sloot revealing details of how Natalee died & how her body was disposed of,” family lawyer John Q. Kelly told NBC News on Sunday. OR!! Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, will hold a news conference following the hearing to make public what Van der Sloot told FBI authorities."
10/17/23 Update: Latest News: van der Sloot has confessed to the American authorities that he killed Natalee Holloway. His confession will be announced during a court case in Alabama in the United States on Wednesday. The FBI has investigated Van der Sloot’s confession in recent months & considers it credible, partly due to a lie detector test he took last week. The Dutchman’s confession means that the United States prosecutor now considers the case around Holloway’s disappearance solved. In exchange for his confession & an admission of guilt for extorting Holloway’s family, the prosecutor in Alabama offered Van der Sloot a reduced sentence of 20 years in prison. If the court approves the deal on Wednesday, Van der Sloot will be flown back to Peru to serve the rest of his sentence for murdering Stephany Flores & drug smuggling. That sentence ends in 2045.

 

[sunshineray]

I disagree that in no country in the world, under no legal jurisdiction, is JVDS not a suspect if not the prime suspect in the disappearance of NH!

From Sydney to Alabama -- the headlines read the same-- SUSPECT. While there was insufficient evidence to charge JVDS with disappearing NH, that is nowhere the same as deeming him cleared, and not suspected.

And more importantly, I trust the terms of his recent plea agreement have nothing to do with hearsay:

An attorney for Holloway’s family, John Q Kelly, confirmed to CNN that Van der Sloot’s intention was to reverse his not guilty plea as part of a deal with prosecutors.

Kelly told NBC’s Today that one of the deal’s conditions requires Van der Sloot to reveal how Holloway died and how her body had been disposed of.

“There won’t be any further investigation or search … for Natalee’s remains,” Kelly said on Today.

I wonder if a...well so and so told me HE did it and this is what HE did with her body is allowed under this plea agreement? I will be totally shocked if JVS says he did it. JMO