ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[Dushi]

I wonder what that spot was?

All of the fishermen witnesses say GG and RG left the beach, walked around, got in the car and left

If there was blood on the beach, it seems impossible that it was from RG being hit on the head

Surely they would have noticed!

 

[LambChop]

All of the fishermen witnesses say GG and RG left the beach, walked around, got in the car and left

If there was blood on the beach, it seems impossible that it was from RG being hit on the head

Surely they would have noticed!

LE said they did not find a bloody handprint on the rock, nor any blood on the beach just the towel. I don't think GG drove off and left those towels there. Hotel charges $20 a piece so they were with them wherever he ended up parting ways with RG.

Witnesses saw something that appeared to them to be blood on the beach, just wondering what it would have been other than blood???? jmo

 

[Blueskies]

I wonder what that spot was?

Don't know but we did see Baez on TV going to one of the rocks and saying that the witness mistook a spot of red growth of algae on the rock as blood.

 

[Blueskies]

All of the fishermen witnesses say GG and RG left the beach, walked around, got in the car and left

If there was blood on the beach, it seems impossible that it was from RG being hit on the head

Surely they would have noticed!

Who else says they left the beach or got in the car and left besides Silva? I can't recall anyone else saying that..TIA

 

[LambChop]

Who else says they left the beach or got in the car and left besides Silva? I can't recall anyone else saying that..TIA

It is up in the facts and rumors thread.

 

[katydid23]

Don't know but we did see Baez on TV going to one of the rocks and saying that the witness mistook a spot of red growth of algae on the rock as blood.

Oh well then, If Baez says so, it MUST be true. :crazy:

 

[neesaki]

I believe T. Stein said they do not charge people to search. Plenty of people volunteered to search for NH and I remember those helicopters flying over the island for days searching for Natalie and I do not believe the Holloways were ever charged for searching. I think GG's Aruban attorney would know they would not be charging to search. The only people I know of who had to pay for searches here in the US were those who gave false information to LE.

So was this another slip for GG??? Worried about being charged because he was giving them false information??? Seems like such a strange thing to be worried about when someone you care for is missing. A more likely inquiry to the insurance company would be, "I'd like to stay a few more days in case they recover her body so that I can bring her home. Would that be covered?" jmo

Sounds like a contrived quick recovery, probably manufactured by Jose B. Anything will do, truth has no relevance as far as he's concerned, imo.

 

[neesaki]

Its all quite possible
However, we have no idea how much blood was on the towel
Was it a drop?
Was it a lot of blood like from a head wound?
Did it have bloody hand prints?

I have looked at the photo of him leaning on a rock shortly after he called LE and I can not see any cuts or scatches on his shin, it was stated it was his shin, not ankle

Yes, the mystery of the blood on the towel... I just want to say, let me see the doggone photos of this bloody towel !? :banghead:

Oh well, I guess ALE doesn't care about us here on websleuths regardless of how seriously we take our job, lol.

As far as the cuts or scratches, I don't think the photos would reveal that without close up shots. jmo

 

[neesaki]

I wonder what that spot was?

My question: Is there actually sand there? Or is the "beach" area there totally rocks? It would make a difference if on sandy beach, versus on a rock which might therefore just be the color of the rock, algae, or other? From the description, it sounded as thought he whole area was rocks, but I'm not sure now. :dunno:

 

[neesaki]

Mystery in Aruba: What Happened to Robyn Gardner?

Aruban authorities quickly pieced together enough details to designate Gardner's disappearance as "a mysterious death." According to Taco Stein, Aruba's solicitor general, Gardner was last seen at 4 p.m. on Aug. 2 in the Rum Reef restaurant. At 6:23 p.m. Giordano phoned 911 and, in a surprisingly calm voice, reported that Gardner had vanished while snorkeling near Baby Beach. Giordano cooperated in four police interviews and helped authorities search the beach twice. But when searches by land, air and sea turned up no body, he went from being a witness to being a suspect. "In asking details," says Stein, "things began to get fishy."

Then they began to stink. Despite police instructions to remain available for questioning, Giordano tried on Aug. 5 to slip off the island nation by changing his original plane reservation home to an earlier flight.

Stein says that the few times there were drownings at Baby Beach, the tides kept the bodies near shore, where they were soon found. Calm waters and a lack of wind that evening also suggest that an inert body would have washed ashore. "I know we don't have a body, so one can argue that she might still be alive," says Stein. "If that were still the case, she would have come forward and said, 'Here I am.'"

Link for full article:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523225,00.html

 

[katydid23]

Mystery in Aruba: What Happened to Robyn Gardner?

Aruban authorities quickly pieced together enough details to designate Gardner's disappearance as "a mysterious death." According to Taco Stein, Aruba's solicitor general, Gardner was last seen at 4 p.m. on Aug. 2 in the Rum Reef restaurant. At 6:23 p.m. Giordano phoned 911 and, in a surprisingly calm voice, reported that Gardner had vanished while snorkeling near Baby Beach. Giordano cooperated in four police interviews and helped authorities search the beach twice. But when searches by land, air and sea turned up no body, he went from being a witness to being a suspect. "In asking details," says Stein, "things began to get fishy."

Then they began to stink. Despite police instructions to remain available for questioning, Giordano tried on Aug. 5 to slip off the island nation by changing his original plane reservation home to an earlier flight.

Stein says that the few times there were drownings at Baby Beach, the tides kept the bodies near shore, where they were soon found. Calm waters and a lack of wind that evening also suggest that an inert body would have washed ashore. "I know we don't have a body, so one can argue that she might still be alive," says Stein. "If that were still the case, she would have come forward and said, 'Here I am.'"

Link for full article:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523225,00.html

I think that pretty well sums it up. :what:

 

[LambChop]

My question: Is there actually sand there? Or is the "beach" area there totally rocks? It would make a difference if on sandy beach, versus on a rock which might therefore just be the color of the rock, algae, or other? From the description, it sounded as thought he whole area was rocks, but I'm not sure now. :dunno:

It appears from the pictures there is a little sand in the area where they drove the car. Just as one the eastern coast there are a lot of area where a small amount of sand covers the rocks. The rocks are somewhat flat from driving on them. The jetty appears to be mostly rocks which would protect the cove so there is no real beach area with a thick sand base that I can see. Not really a place you would want to put your towel down to sit and watch the sunset. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Mystery in Aruba: What Happened to Robyn Gardner?

Aruban authorities quickly pieced together enough details to designate Gardner's disappearance as "a mysterious death." According to Taco Stein, Aruba's solicitor general, Gardner was last seen at 4 p.m. on Aug. 2 in the Rum Reef restaurant. At 6:23 p.m. Giordano phoned 911 and, in a surprisingly calm voice, reported that Gardner had vanished while snorkeling near Baby Beach. Giordano cooperated in four police interviews and helped authorities search the beach twice. But when searches by land, air and sea turned up no body, he went from being a witness to being a suspect. "In asking details," says Stein, "things began to get fishy."

Then they began to stink. Despite police instructions to remain available for questioning, Giordano tried on Aug. 5 to slip off the island nation by changing his original plane reservation home to an earlier flight.

Stein says that the few times there were drownings at Baby Beach, the tides kept the bodies near shore, where they were soon found. Calm waters and a lack of wind that evening also suggest that an inert body would have washed ashore. "I know we don't have a body, so one can argue that she might still be alive," says Stein. "If that were still the case, she would have come forward and said, 'Here I am.'"

Link for full article:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523225,00.html

Excellent article. They did a good job writing this one. jmo

 

[Dushi]

My question: Is there actually sand there? Or is the "beach" area there totally rocks? It would make a difference if on sandy beach, versus on a rock which might therefore just be the color of the rock, algae, or other? From the description, it sounded as thought he whole area was rocks, but I'm not sure now. :dunno:

A lot of the rock in this area is tinged pink from something
I have a few pieces of it
I can't see that it could ever be mistaken for blood the size of a plastic cup

To the side of the restaurant is a sandy beach area

The report didn't give information about where the witness saw this, so it is hard to tell if its sandy or rocky

I would not call the other areas beach, I would call it shoreline, MMO

 

[neesaki]

Re: the white car that was seen driving around the area where Robyn and GG were last seen: On Sept. 2nd the photos and request seeking information on the white Hyundai Getz and it's occupants was released .

Missing Aruba woman: Authorities release new photo:

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/09/missing-aruba-woman-authorities-release-new-photo-66063.html


The couple that came forward on Sept. 17th, as reported by the NE, said it was "similar" to GG's rental car. They could not be 100% certain it was GG's car.

"An Aruban couple, out for a drive, told authorities they spotted a violent confrontation between a man and a woman inside a car similar to the one Gary Giordano – suspected of killing Robyn – was renting during their Caribbean vacation."...
...“They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves."
“As the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming."...
...“They told police that the argument was so violent that the car was rocking from side to side from the struggle going on inside it.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/exclusive-aruba-murder-eyewitness-shocking-claim

Ijmo, but if you look at the details of the story it really doesn't sound like something anyone would have just dreamed up. So maybe the NE embellished it with the "buried in the dog graves" part because of where the car was parked. Or maybe this was speculated by LE but they didn't want to admit it, lol.

That aside, the couple reported what they saw. What they didn't get unfortunately ,was the license plate number of the car, nor were they able to positively identify GG and Robyn.
It's not unusual for witnesses to be reluctant to come forward if they don't have concrete information such as plate #'s and a good description of the people involved. They tend to doubt the significance of what they saw.

I know, I know, it's the NE, known for their tacky, over-sensationalized headlines and sneaky tactics, etc. But they do actually investigate their stories, not saying they don't embellish them a little, lol. I just don't think that this story should be discounted simply because they reported it first. The MSM must have some faith in the report as you notice most all of them followed suit with the same report.
The only part of the report LE really denied was about being "buried in the dog grave", which TS said was ludicrous. And they did go and search that area with dogs within a few days of this report being released.
I think what happened is without the plate #'s and an absolute positive identification of the occupants by the witnesses, LE couldn't use the information as they, as we all, would have hoped. :twocents:

 

[Niner]

respectfully snipped...

"An Aruban couple, out for a drive, told authorities they spotted a violent confrontation between a man and a woman inside a car similar to the one Gary Giordano – suspected of killing Robyn – was renting during their Caribbean vacation."...
...“They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves."
“As the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming."...
...“They told police that the argument was so violent that the car was rocking from side to side from the struggle going on inside it.

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/exclusive-aruba-murder-eyewitness-shocking-claim

Ijmo, but if you look at the details of the story it really doesn't sound like something anyone would have just dreamed up. So maybe the NE embellished it with the "buried in the dog graves" part because of where the car was parked. Or maybe this was speculated by LE but they didn't want to admit it, lol.

That aside, the couple reported what they saw. What they didn't get unfortunately ,was the license plate number of the car, nor were they able to positively identify GG and Robyn.

Yes, it sounds to detailed to be made up - especially the "rocking" of the car! I believe this actually happened, and yes it is too bad they did not get the license plate # of the car...

 

[Dushi]

Re: the white car that was seen driving around the area where Robyn and GG were last seen: On Sept. 2nd the photos and request seeking information on the white Hyundai Getz and it's occupants was released .



http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/09/missing-aruba-woman-authorities-release-new-photo-66063.html


The couple that came forward on Sept. 17th, as reported by the NE, said it was "similar" to GG's rental car. They could not be 100% certain it was GG's car.



http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/exclusive-aruba-murder-eyewitness-shocking-claim

Ijmo, but if you look at the details of the story it really doesn't sound like something anyone would have just dreamed up. So maybe the NE embellished it with the "buried in the dog graves" part because of where the car was parked. Or maybe this was speculated by LE but they didn't want to admit it, lol.That aside, the couple reported what they saw. What they didn't get unfortunately ,was the license plate number of the car, nor were they able to positively identify GG and Robyn.
It's not unusual for witnesses to be reluctant to come forward if they don't have concrete information such as plate #'s and a good description of the people involved. They tend to doubt the significance of what they saw.

I know, I know, it's the NE, known for their tacky, over-sensationalized headlines and sneaky tactics, etc. But they do actually investigate their stories, not saying they don't embellish them a little, lol. I just don't think that this story should be discounted simply because they reported it first. The MSM must have some faith in the report as you notice most all of them followed suit with the same report.
The only part of the report LE really denied was about being "buried in the dog grave", which TS said was ludicrous. And they did go and search that area with dogs within a few days of this report being released.
I think what happened is without the plate #'s and an absolute positive identification of the occupants by the witnesses, LE couldn't use the information as they, as we all, would have hoped. :twocents:

Yeah... see , thats the problem
Tabloid reporting

Your guess is as good as anyones

 

[Tugela]

Mystery in Aruba: What Happened to Robyn Gardner?

Aruban authorities quickly pieced together enough details to designate Gardner's disappearance as "a mysterious death." According to Taco Stein, Aruba's solicitor general, Gardner was last seen at 4 p.m. on Aug. 2 in the Rum Reef restaurant. At 6:23 p.m. Giordano phoned 911 and, in a surprisingly calm voice, reported that Gardner had vanished while snorkeling near Baby Beach. Giordano cooperated in four police interviews and helped authorities search the beach twice. But when searches by land, air and sea turned up no body, he went from being a witness to being a suspect. "In asking details," says Stein, "things began to get fishy."

Then they began to stink. Despite police instructions to remain available for questioning, Giordano tried on Aug. 5 to slip off the island nation by changing his original plane reservation home to an earlier flight.

Stein says that the few times there were drownings at Baby Beach, the tides kept the bodies near shore, where they were soon found. Calm waters and a lack of wind that evening also suggest that an inert body would have washed ashore. "I know we don't have a body, so one can argue that she might still be alive," says Stein. "If that were still the case, she would have come forward and said, 'Here I am.'"

Link for full article:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523225,00.html

Except that is not physically possible, since you need wind and/or wave action to drive a floating object on shore. They wont come otherwise, and instead will be driven by currents, which will take them offshore.

The conditions described by LE are in fact ideal for the body NOT to come ashore.

It is pretty clear that Stein doesnt know anything about how water moves in the ocean.

 

[LambChop]

I don't think Stein used his own judgment on that. I certainly know the fisherman are very familiar with the currents in those waters IMO Stein relied on the experts to tell him what was happening in those waters and where they should be looking. Even in calm waters tides go in and out. With GG saying they were snorkeling only a short distance from shore, yards out, they expected at the very least to find her body in the area where GG claims they were snorkeling.

Witnesses claimed they never got in the water so the very fact they did not find a body would leave investigators to believe she was never in that location. However the currents on the eastern side of the island are very strong. Had she gone off one of the cliffs her body may have been carried out if the currents were strong on that side of the island that day. In all my years in Aruba and we always visited the eastern coast, I have never seen anyone swimming in those waters. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I know alot has been said about the witnesses and what they saw, with that said maybe what they saw is exactly what was suppose to be seen. If something sinister did happen it would make sense that you would make sure there were no eye witnesses, or you would think. just seems to be too much second and third hand info for me. jmo