ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[neesaki]

So, what did GG know regarding the insurance payout and the exception clause involving alcohol or drugs?

While it seems he would have known as he's purchased these policies before, why then was he telling the server in the restaurant Robyn had taken a sleeping pill? And they were openly drinking vodka, (though now, he claims it was just juice, :wink: ).

So was it not planned, or was it just a flawed plan ? I think this case is making me :crazy:

 

[neesaki]

I also find it interesting that TS states in the Nov. 30 report, that they will be interviewing more witnesses, as in new ones. Wonder who they might be, curious.

 

[LambChop]

So, what did GG know regarding the insurance payout and the exception clause involving alcohol or drugs?

While it seems he would have known as he's purchased these policies before, why then was he telling the server in the restaurant Robyn had taken a sleeping pill? And they were openly drinking vodka, (though now, he claims it was just juice, :wink: ).

So was it not planned, or was it just a flawed plan ? I think this case is making me :crazy:

I think he told the server because it was mentioned that RG was woosie and he was explaining why because he told LE he had not purchased any liquor from the bar while they were there but did not tell them he was bringing in drinks from the car. It was his attempt to mislead them. I don't think he thinks too well on his feet.

Sometimes people have a plan and everything they plan on saying is rehearsed ahead of time but in real life there is always the unexpected. That is why the truth would be an easy story to tell. GG's stories are way too complicated to be the truth. jmo

 

[suzihawk]

I think we are all in agreement that GG is not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

I also feel that his lawyers job is to protect him from himself
maybe its the only way to shut him up as i feel gary doesn't like being controlled

His lawyer isn't doing his job. Surprise, surprise! Taking his client on a PR tour the moment he's released from jail is not the way to get him to shut up.

 

[Dushi]

So, what did GG know regarding the insurance payout and the exception clause involving alcohol or drugs?

While it seems he would have known as he's purchased these policies before, why then was he telling the server in the restaurant Robyn had taken a sleeping pill? And they were openly drinking vodka, (though now, he claims it was just juice, :wink: ).

So was it not planned, or was it just a flawed plan ? I think this case is making me :crazy:

Did they buy drinks at the restaurant?
Servers stated she looked "woozy"

We see him going to the car with a cup
We don't know what is in it


It seems to me rather unlikely someone would go to their car to refill juice
Not as unlikely if it were alcohol

She is holding a cup as they are leaving I believe

 

[LambChop]

Did they buy drinks at the restaurant?
Servers stated she looked "woozy"

We see him going to the car with a cup
We don't know what is in it


It seems to me rather unlikely someone would go to their car to refill juice
Not as unlikely if it were alcohol

She is holding a cup as they are leaving I believe

I wonder if the police recovered her cup?

 

[Dushi]

I wonder if the police recovered her cup?

Given that this was reported as a missing person/ possible drowning, I don't know if they would be looking for it

 

[Micheline]

So is this where GG's "they were only drinking juice" story comes in? :seeya:

It does not matter what GG says, it matters what is in the police report.

If you cause an accident while driving drunk, and you then claim on tv you only had juice no insurance is going to say, well OK then let's ignore the policereport.

 

[katydid23]

It does not matter what GG says, it matters what is in the police report.

If you cause an accident while driving drunk, and you then claim on tv you only had juice no insurance is going to say, well OK then let's ignore the policereport.

Just because the payout may be denied, that does not mean it wasn't the motive. He intended to cash it in. Too bad for him that he had to get her drunk in order to make her go missing. And now that may hamper his plans to collect on the insurance claim. But that does not take away the original motive, imo/

 

[Micheline]

ML stated in an interview he never permitted JB to see GG's file so JB has no idea what took place. He only has GG's version of what happened. My guess is that is why GG changed attorneys. JB may have had to find one who would cooperate with him. At least that is the way it appears. According to what you have listed above, ML was perfectly capable of representing GG and there does not appear to have been a conflict of interest as JB states. Was JB being less than truthful??? Well, according to what you have listed above criminal law would mean ML was perfectly capable of representing GG.

Would it be considered a conflict of interest if ML were first giving GG advice on a wrongful death suit and then switched over to criminal law once he was arrested? Is that what JB meant when he said there was a conflict of interest in ML representing GG. jmo

My post was in response to you claiming Giordano agreed to split the money with Lopez, while that was not said, plus you suggested it being suspicious Giordano had a personal injury lawyer, which was not the case.

I never said Lopez was not able to represent Giordano.

 

[Micheline]

Just because the payout may be denied, that does not mean it wasn't the motive. He intended to cash it in. Too bad for him that he had to get her drunk in order to make her go missing. And now that may hamper his plans to collect on the insurance claim. But that does not take away the original motive, imo/

Only the future will tell whether the payout will be denied.

You suggest he caused her to go missing, with the intent to cash in.
To me that is not logical, it was (as far as I know) Giordano himself who said Robyn mixed sleepingpills with vodka during the day and then went swimming in deeper water. If this was all a carefully planned murder for insurance money it does not make sense he would volunteer that information. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Only the future will tell whether the payout will be denied.

You suggest he caused her to go missing, with the intent to cash in.
To me that is not logical, it was (as far as I know) Giordano himself who said Robyn mixed sleepingpills with vodka during the day and then went swimming in deeper water. If this was all a carefully planned murder for insurance money it does not make sense he would volunteer that information. IMO

He said all of that stuff as a defense to murder charges. At that point,he was not concerned about cashing in, just wanting to get away with the murder.

And I never said it was a 'carefully planned' murder. He is a sloppy and haphazard kind of guy.

 

[LambChop]

My post was in response to you claiming Giordano agreed to split the money with Lopez, while that was not said, plus you suggested it being suspicious Giordano had a personal injury lawyer, which was not the case.

I never said Lopez was not able to represent Giordano.

I think you may have misread my post as I did not say, or intend to say, he offered to split the money as that would be 50/50. As a personal injury attorney (as JB claims he was when representing GG) their fee structure is 1/3 of whatever compensation is received and if none is received the client does not have to pay. This is common practice specifically for personal injury cases.

JB said, and this is excluding whatever he listed on ML's site, that ML was representing GG as a personal injury attorney. JB said this, no one else.

I did not say you said ML was not able to represent GG. I was only referencing the material you provided on ML and his law practice. It appears ML provides a variety of services in his practice. JB is the one who said ML was representing GG as a personal injury attorney. Once he was arrested it appears ML was also representing him as a criminal attorney which he is qualified to do according to his site.

The issue is and still remains why was GG seeking out information on personal injury prior to him being a suspect????? jmo

 

[MaryAnn]

Only the future will tell whether the payout will be denied.

You suggest he caused her to go missing, with the intent to cash in.
To me that is not logical, it was (as far as I know) Giordano himself who said Robyn mixed sleepingpills with vodka during the day and then went swimming in deeper water. If this was all a carefully planned murder for insurance money it does not make sense he would volunteer that information. IMO

Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean?

 

[rossva]

Scuba diver charged in wife's underwater death
June 21, 2008

An Alabama man whose wife died during a honeymoon scuba diving trip off the coast of Australia almost five years ago has been charged in her death.

An Australian coroner ruled Friday .............

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-06-21/...uba-diver-investigators-shipwreck?_s=PM:CRIME



Gabe Watson trial pushed to 2012
July 12 2011

Birmingham, AL (WIAT) - A trial date is set for Gabe Watson who is charged with murdering his new bride on their Australian honeymoon in 2003. Watson will face a jury on February 13, 2012. A number of factors including budget cutbacks at courthouses and the holidays weighed into the judge's decision to extend the trial into next year. .........

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...al-pushed-to-2012/JPbhVYpHQUGFLefxiRVjYg.cspx

Does anyone remember a case where a guy planned a murder here in the US and went a broad and killed,I think it was wife and they were on their honeymoon-they found her on the bottom of a lagoon or something.they actually showed her down there with her scuba gear still on..They charged him here in the US with pred,murder and he now sits in jail..it was on dateline/20/20 or something..I wonder if they could do that in this case?

 

[LambChop]

Only the future will tell whether the payout will be denied.

You suggest he caused her to go missing, with the intent to cash in.
To me that is not logical, it was (as far as I know) Giordano himself who said Robyn mixed sleepingpills with vodka during the day and then went swimming in deeper water. If this was all a carefully planned murder for insurance money it does not make sense he would volunteer that information. IMO

It does not matter who put the drugs and vodka into her system. If he admits she was drinking and took some pills the insurance company will not pay the claim off even if it was an accident if there was a clause about drinking/medications. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Wouldn't a caring person stop someone who was drunk/high from going into the ocean?

$$$$$$$$$$$ jmo, of course.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Just because the payout may be denied, that does not mean it wasn't the motive. He intended to cash it in. Too bad for him that he had to get her drunk in order to make her go missing. And now that may hamper his plans to collect on the insurance claim. But that does not take away the original motive, imo/

Really? It was GG himself that said if it were not for the insurance he would have never been held in Aruba. I find it hard to believe he would use the one thing that would make him the #1 suspect in her disappearance. Then to have called Amex excited, like he "won the Lottery"? If as you and many others believe he is such a "master" criminal---think he would know better, huh!

 

[vlpate]

Gary Giordano, 50, of Gaithersburg, Md., told NBC’s Josh Mankiewicz he and his companion, 35-year-old Robyn Gardner, of Frederick, were snorkeling Aug. 2 when he realized they were getting in deeper water. He said he grabbed Gardner's leg to signal returning to shore, but getting back was a struggle because of winds and current. It was the last time he saw Gardner.

“It was a very calm day,” Aruban Solicitor General Taco Stein contends. “No current. No waves.”

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...-Day-Robyn-Gardner-Disappeared-134943293.html

I'm sorry, I read the original report to say Taco Stein lied.

 

[rossva]

http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/pay-for-search-and-rescue1.htm

When it comes to local and state expenses, there have been some changes in recent years. Several states have passed ordinances that allow the county or state to recoup costs associated with rescue, depending on the scenario, and they've done so in some high-profile operations. The states of New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont are all allowed to recover funds, but so far only New Hampshire has made great efforts to do so. The law in New Hampshire had already been in place for about 10 years when legislators changed the language from charging for rescue in cases where the victim was "reckless" to "negligent." Debate has been inevitable because there is no set definition of negligence.


In Europe, you're on your own with costs for rescue, but many outdoor enthusiasts purchase special insurance that covers costs if a rescue is needed.

I wonder if Aruba follows European guidelines?

To my knowledge no agency charges for searches.....unless......the person reporting has given a false statement. So why would his Aruban attorney tell him he needed to call the insurance company (if this were true). What was it that GG told his attorney that his attorney felt GG could be charged for the search????? Is this another slip of the tongue??????? jmo