ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[LambChop]

Vlpate, just using your post as a jumping off point,K?

Yep, that is the bottom line of this discussion isn't it??
Why if ALE found" MAJOR in consistancies in his account" they waited until the last minute to detain him is beyond me. I mean what lightbulb went off minutes before he left?? Actually we can argue about those until the cows come home, but the fact is ALE has not provided us with specifics,therefore those willing to use those "inconsistancies" as their explaination for everthing guilty about GG, must use their "imagination" and we know how that works.

What makes you think they waited until the last minute? He had an attorney who will not discuss the case because of confidentiality. If GG were telling the truth he could give his attorney permission to back up his story. Instead from GG's first attorney, ML, we hear...."my client knows what the truth is." Not too hard to figure out that what GG is saying ML might not agree with. Since GG admits he spoke to his attorney about leaving and claims he was told to go ahead and he is the only source for this information it leads one to believe his attorney may have told him not to leave. LE clearly was not through with their questioning of him and he took off in a hurry thinking he could get out of there on the first flight leaving.

So what was his hurry? He had enough points to stay more days at the hotel until LE was finished with their questions. Did he not owe that to Robyn at least???? It appears they would call him in regarding something he stated that was inconsistent with facts they investigated and he would come up with another story which would, then again, have to be investigated. I think that is were the inconsistencies come in to play. Having little knowledge of the island and the currents in particular I think he back himself into a whole. If he had been telling the truth everything important would have been able to be substantiated. These are the inconsistencies that LE claims GG had made. They can't match his story with what they know is fact.

They would not have arrested him at that point had he not become a flight risk. Had he asked they may have let him go. At the point he decided he was leaving on his own, whether his attorney called LE and they said he should stay a few more days or no one called and told LE he was leaving, the minute he tried to leave without asking them they had a right to arrest him. I have a feeling his attorney was told he needed to stay a few more days and GG panicked.

ALE does not have to share their information with the public. They don't have a "Sunshine Law". BUT, they did share it with the FBI. My guess is ALE shared that reenactment video with the US. JB has never come forward and stated his client has been cleared by the FBI. We won't hear from them either until they have finished their investigation. And, IMO, the FBI is in no rush. So we will have to wait and see. jmo

 

[Dushi]

The area where they went diving, is that known as Rocky Point or Baby Beach ?

Its just beyond Baby Beach

Nanki beach

 

[Dushi]

I am off on holiday
Wishing everyone a very Merry Christams

 

[Micheline]

-snipped a bit by me-

On the video T. Stein claims there were big, major, large (not sure of the exact wording but meaning too many) inconsistencies in his statements. Splitting hairs won't change what T. Stein said and it does not change the facts. It's the stories that GG has been telling that don't make any sense.

On which video? TIA

I heard Stein say there were inconsistencies in Giordano's statement, and when asked what those inconsistencies were he said that what Giordano stated had taken place did not correspond with the facts they had observed on the place where this would have happened.

 

[Micheline]

May I ask what the point is? I'm being sincere - I'm trying to find relevance in whether or not a witness has the right to remain silent in Aruba. Here, a witness may not incriminate themselves - is it the same there?

Bottom line is, GG was told he was free to go, so he went. He was arrested at the airport because they found MAJOR inconsistencies in his accounts - and I say that because one is not kept in jail for 3 months for minor inconsistencies. I don't need Stein to differentiate for me in a news conference, it's common sense.

GG left the island their main suspect - because there's no body and therefore no cause of death can be determined. I hope her mother continues to push the Aruban and US authorities.

The point was (see the discussion) that Giordano was considered a witness and in that position was told he was free to leave.

 

[Micheline]

Serious inconsistencies.

Nothing about GG's story adds up. There are major and obvious flaws in his story, IMO.

Not only does he go snorkeling with someone who had been taking sleeping pills and drinking, but he didn't stop her from going in barefoot over all the sharp rocks in the area while he was wearing sneakers. THEN she cuts her toe, according to GG, grabs a towel, stops the bleeding, or whatever - come on, why would she even bother with a towel? She was in the water, all she had to do was dip her toe in to see if the wound was deep - and the water would have rinsed the wound. She went back in the water after she cut her toe - Gary tapped her leg at some point and motioned to go back in. He swam for his life, never even looking back...and then she drowned, or was picked up by a drug trafficker waiting nearby.

If this story is true, Gary Giordano has the compassion and conscience of a murderer, IMHO.

Where does this info come from? TIA

 

[Micheline]

I would venture to guess ALE were the ones with a priceless expression on their faces realizing GG was minutes away from getting on that plane!!! LOL

Frankly if there were so many inconsistencies with his account, I am surprised they let him get that far!! JMO They were minutes away from having "egg on their face" once again.

-bolded by me-

You know I wonder if Giordano was in such a rush to leave the island (as alleged) why he still went to meet with Robyn's mother and someone from the embassy that morning. He could have tried to get on a plane at 9 am, or the previous day even.

Him leaving just one hour earlier to me does not sound as someone who was in escape mode. IMO

 

[redheadedgal]

... while police investigate what they call serious inconsistencies in his (GG) story...



http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521760,00.html

 

[Micheline]

... while police investigate what they call serious inconsistencies in his (GG) story...



http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20521760,00.html

Thanks, Is there a video of Stein where he says this? TIA

 

[Sapphire]

Where does this info come from? TIA

Micheline, I found this article in relation to Robyn going back into the water after she cut her toe.



Robyn Gardner's Boyfriends Clash Over Her Last Hours


By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SABRINA PEDUTO, ALEXA MIRANDA and JASON STINE
Aug. 24, 2011


Robyn Gardner was groggy from sleeping pills, vodka and a meal when she went into the water in Aruba where she quickly cut her toe, forcing her out of the water, a source told ABC News.

But the 35-year-old Maryland woman ventured back into the water a second time, and that was when she was allegedly caught by treacherous currents, her companion Gary Giordano has told police, the source said.

Giordano's version of events emerged as doubt has been cast by witnesses in recent days that Gardner ever went into the water. A witness at the restaurant where the couple were last seen together expressed surprise at the claim that Gardner went snorkeling because of the obvious effort she had put into her hair and make-up that evening.

A second witness claims to have seen the couple stroll on the beach, but not enter the water.

<snip>

http://abcnews.go.com/International...ds-clash-hours/story?id=14370011#.TvU6MTXlOGs

 

[LambChop]

-bolded by me-

You know I wonder if Giordano was in such a rush to leave the island (as alleged) why he still went to meet with Robyn's mother and someone from the embassy that morning. He could have tried to get on a plane at 9 am, or the previous day even.

Him leaving just one hour earlier to me does not sound as someone who was in escape modeer. IMO

Where would he go at 9am???? The planes don't start leaving the US at the hubs connectors until about 11am for their trips to Aruba. The plane is on the ground about 2 hours and then heads back to the US. The planes leave every afternoon, not in the morning. Crews may stay over but the planes head back. jmo

 

[neesaki]

:christmastree:

I would venture to guess ALE were the ones with a priceless expression on their faces realizing GG was minutes away from getting on that plane!!! LOL

Frankly if there were so many inconsistencies with his account, I am surprised they let him get that far!! JMO They were minutes away from having "egg on their face" once again.

I'm not saying I one hundred percent disagree with you. It's possible that Aruba LE was caught a little off guard when they found out that GG was prematurely fleeing the country.

Then again, maybe that's what they were waiting for.

I am also fairly sure that GG isn't the one who was "waiting" for Aruba LE to come and catch him prematurely fleeing the country either, LOL.

I'm also pretty sure that ALE had their "priceless expressions" in check, while at that moment, I seriously doubt that GG did, LOL.

As far as your implication that Aruba LE are totally incompetent, I have to have some faith that they are more competent that you believe, otherwise what else do we have.

The fact is, in the days before DNA evidence, circumstantial evidence was relied upon and was more often than not required.

If this weren't the day and age for DNA evidence being such a requirement in order to have enough evidence for reasonable doubt, GG would have already been indicted.

IMO, that DNA evidence has become such a strict, stand alone requirement for evidence of reasonable doubt, when there is good circumstantial evidence, as in this case, it is a very dangerous two-edged sword.

Will ALE have "egg on their face" in the end? Who knows.

I personally hope not, and I truly hope we are all on the same boat at least to the point that we all want justice served, regardless of what that may be. JMO :christmastree::christmastree::christmastree:

 

[Micheline]

Where would he go at 9am???? The planes don't start leaving the US at the hubs connectors until about 11am for their trips to Aruba. The plane is on the ground about 2 hours and then heads back to the US. The planes leave every afternoon, not in the morning. Crews may stay over but the planes head back. jmo

American Airlines has flights from Aruba to the United States at 9:45 am, there are even flights that depart early as 8:10 am (Insel Air & Nordic) from Aruba to the United States.

 

[LambChop]

American Airlines has flights from Aruba to the United States at 9:45 am, there are even flights that depart early as 8:10 am (Insel Air & Nordic) from Aruba to the United States.

He was not scheduled to leave on any of those airlines. He was going through Charlotte (US Air). American is out of Miami and it would take him a good 14 hours to get to Baltimore leaving at 9am and the tickets are not cheap.

Plus he was having this conversation with his attorney prior to his leaving. Obviously something his attorney said to GG was a deciding factor in his decision to leave, which he has stated. But, again, it is his word for what was said. No statements confirming the conversation has been reported by any of the other witnesses.

I really don't think the Aruban government enjoys putting Americans in jail while they are on vacation down there. The appearance of him trying to leave made it easier for them to arrest him, IMO. Had he stayed at the hotel until they told him it was okay to leave he may have only been there a day or two longer. LE's action speaks more of you were instructed not to leave yet and you disregarded our request.

All I know is from my own experience at Baby Beach....RG did not go into the water where GG said she did. No way, no how....... jmo

 

[vlpate]

The point was (see the discussion) that Giordano was considered a witness and in that position was told he was free to leave.

Yes, I was following the discussion....I still don't see the relevance at this point... Stein decided he had enough for an arrest....and at the last minute, arrested him.

If I were guilty of a crime in another Country, I'd be getting the he!! out of Dodge too. However, if I were innocent....not sure I'd be so quick to abandon a friend. But I digress.

At the end of the day he is considered a suspect in Robyn's disappearance and hopefully he is being watched.

 

[vlpate]

Thanks, Is there a video of Stein where he says this? TIA

The police said it....same thing. :truce:

 

[LambChop]

The police said it....same thing. :truce:

I agree. Here I am tripping over words and you manage to simplify it in just a few. Fact remains, he is still a suspect both here and in Aruba. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

He was not scheduled to leave on any of those airlines. He was going through Charlotte (US Air). American is out of Miami and it would take him a good 14 hours to get to Baltimore leaving at 9am and the tickets are not cheap.

Plus he was having this conversation with his attorney prior to his leaving. Obviously something his attorney said to GG was a deciding factor in his decision to leave, which he has stated. But, again, it is his word for what was said. No statements confirming the conversation has been reported by any of the other witnesses.

I really don't think the Aruban government enjoys putting Americans in jail while they are on vacation down there. The appearance of him trying to leave made it easier for them to arrest him, IMO. Had he stayed at the hotel until they told him it was okay to leave he may have only been there a day or two longer. LE's action speaks more of you were instructed not to leave yet and you disregarded our request.

All I know is from my own experience at Baby Beach....RG did not go into the water where GG said she did. No way, no how....... jmo

From what I can make out, he decided to stay and meet the mother, he did not appear to be in any hurry to leave initially which in my view means he was not in any hurry to get out of Dodge City.

For what reason do you believe and in your experience that GG was not being truthful about where RG entered the water ?
That looks like a perfect spot to dive with the rocky outcrops to view the sea life that habitats the rocks and coral.
IMO, the best diving and snorkeling is in quite shallow water in rocky pools and I would have no problem entering the area barefooted.

 

[LambChop]

From what I can make out, he decided to stay and meet the mother, he did not appear to be in any hurry to leave initially which in my view means he was not in any hurry to get out of Dodge City.

For what reason do you believe and in your experience that GG was not being truthful about where RG entered the water ?
That looks like a perfect spot to dive with the rocky outcrops to view the sea life that habitats the rocks and coral.
IMO, the best diving and snorkeling is in quite shallow water in rocky pools and I would have no problem entering the area barefooted.

There are no fish where he claims to have gone in. Nothing there for the fish to feed on.....no place for them to hide....just small jagged and smooth rocks jutting up from the ocean floor. She did not go into the water in her barefeet at that location. Who would be a better judge, LE or GG who does not know the area and obviously he was wet only up to his ankles.

Plus there is a perfect place to see fish on the other side of Baby Beach in the channel where the fish are protected just a few hundred yards away. He did not go there and could not get there from the peninsula. GG could not get into the water without his heavy sneakers on. Not lightweight Keds he had on expensive heavy duty sneakers, which he now claims weighed him down. His story keeps changing to fit his situation not the other way around. The facts should fit with his story.

He had a scheduled departure ticket for that Friday. Had he left earlier he would have had to buy another ticket. He had no emergency so he'd get stuck with a one-way full price ticket, IMO. My guess is the attorney told him LE did not want him to leave yet so he decided to try to get an earlier flight. jmo, of course.

 

[LolliPop]

There are no fish where he claims to have gone in. Nothing there for the fish to feed on.....no place for them to hide....just small jagged and smooth rocks jutting up from the ocean floor. She did not go into the water in her barefeet at that location. Who would be a better judge, LE or GG who does not know the area and obviously he was wet only up to his ankles.

Plus there is a perfect place to see fish on the other side of Baby Beach in the channel where the fish are protected just a few hundred yards away. He did not go there and could not get there from the peninsula. GG could not get into the water without his heavy sneakers on. Not lightweight Keds he had on expensive heavy duty sneakers, which he now claims weighed him down. His story keeps changing to fit his situation not the other way around. The facts should fit with his story.

He had a scheduled departure ticket for that Friday. Had he left earlier he would have had to buy another ticket. He had no emergency so he'd get stuck with a one-way full price ticket, IMO. My guess is the attorney told him LE did not want him to leave yet so he decided to try to get an earlier flight. jmo, of course.

If the video that I have seen of that area is the area that he says they went in then I would most definately have chosen that area to snorkel, no people and plenty of rocks make very interesting observations.
No problem walking on rocks barefeet, done that most of life in far more rocky conditions than what is shown in that video.

Wet only to his ankles ?

Is this a fact ?