ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[LambChop]

If the video that I have seen of that area is the area that he says they went in then I would most definately have chosen that area to snorkel, no people and plenty of rocks make very interesting observations.
No problem walking on rocks barefeet, done that most of life in far more rocky conditions than what is shown in that video.

Wet only to his ankles ?

Is this a fact ?

I guess the only way to satisfy those questions is to go to Aruba and see for yourself. He is still as suspect according to the Aruban government. What more can I say?????

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

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On which video? TIA

I heard Stein say there were inconsistencies in Giordano's statement, and when asked what those inconsistencies were he said that what Giordano stated had taken place did not correspond with the facts they had observed on the place where this would have happened.

Yes he said the discrepancies had to do with the way GG described "the weather, tides,and conditions of the place they went snorkeling. That is it. No other discrepancies have ever been disclosed by ALE.

Instead of using the GENERAL term " serious inconsistencies" could we just wait until someone here posts those EXACT inconsistencies for comparison instead of using the term to discredit everything GG says. My opinion only, but isn't that line of reference getting a little tedious??

 

[LambChop]

Yes he said the discrepancies had to do with the way GG described "the weather, tides,and conditions of the place they went snorkeling. That is it. No other discrepancies have ever been disclosed by ALE.

Instead of using the GENERAL term " serious inconsistencies" could we just wait until someone here posts those EXACT inconsistencies for comparison instead of using the term to discredit everything GG says. My opinion only, but isn't that line of reference getting a little tedious??

The only way you are going to get that information is to go to Aruba and ask T. Stein directly. And I'm willing to bet the answer you will get is pretty much what you would get from any US investigator. They are still in the process of an investigation.

It may seem tedious to some but an investigation is always a means to an end. I, for one, would like to see him brought to trial. Ambien and vodka are dangerous when mixed together. He admits she took the sleeping pill and was drinking. Even if they were both drinking moderately he should have enough sense to know she never should have been in the water. He drove her there and drove her right down to the water's edge. Who in their right mind, who claims to have cared for her, would have allowed her to get into the water. Of course witnesses (more than one) claim she never got in the water, they got in their car and left.....I believe that is a serious inconsistency. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

Thousands of people every year explore rocky seabeds. When snorkeling there are a few things you should be aware of like currents, rocks and coral.

Snorkeling in a current can be deceiving. Many people don't realize there is a current until they turn around to come back.

Booze and seawater don't mix, be that whilst fishing, swimming, boating and snorkeling, the alcohol will dumb the senses even when consumed in small amounts, if only a little but enough to make one miscalculate.

It is not clear if they were drunk or drinking but its a known that a vast number of people while on holiday will consume alcohol daily on the beach.

 

[katydid23]

Yes he said the discrepancies had to do with the way GG described "the weather, tides,and conditions of the place they went snorkeling. That is it. No other discrepancies have ever been disclosed by ALE.

Instead of using the GENERAL term " serious inconsistencies" could we just wait until someone here posts those EXACT inconsistencies for comparison instead of using the term to discredit everything GG says. My opinion only, but isn't that line of reference getting a little tedious??

There are a few other inconsistencies besides those you listed. For example, GG stated that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill earlier in the day and had been drinking. Does that seem consistent with someone you would take snorkeling for their first time ever?

And it was very late in the afternoon---a very silly time to try and snorkel because the water is too dark because of the angle of the sun.

And the witnesses say they saw them walking on the beach, but never entered the water. Other witnesses saw them drive off without entering the water. Those are also inconsistencies in his story.

Add to it the fact that she was dressed with her make up done, her extensions all curled and done up, and she had been leisurely drinking and eating all afternoon---what makes her suddenly want to snorkel that day?

 

[katydid23]

Thousands of people every year explore rocky seabeds. When snorkeling there are a few things you should be aware of like currents, rocks and coral.

Snorkeling in a current can be deceiving. Many people don't realize there is a current until they turn around to come back.

Booze and seawater don't mix, be that whilst fishing, swimming, boating and snorkeling, the alcohol will dumb the senses even when consumed in small amounts, if only a little but enough to make one miscalculate.

It is not clear if they were drunk or drinking but its a known that a vast number of people while on holiday will consume alcohol daily on the beach.

BBM

And GG knew the alcohol and the sleeping pill would dumb her down. As a matter of fact he was counting on it.

 

[vlpate]

Thousands of people every year explore rocky seabeds. When snorkeling there are a few things you should be aware of like currents, rocks and coral.

Snorkeling in a current can be deceiving. Many people don't realize there is a current until they turn around to come back.

Booze and seawater don't mix, be that whilst fishing, swimming, boating and snorkeling, the alcohol will dumb the senses even when consumed in small amounts, if only a little but enough to make one miscalculate.

It is not clear if they were drunk or drinking but its a known that a vast number of people while on holiday will consume alcohol daily on the beach.

Do thousands of people explore these rocky seabeds, rocks, and coral barefoot? I don't think even alcohol could "dumb" the senses enough to feel no pain whilst doing so.

Giordano said they were sober anyway... "a sober couple" were his exact words.

 

[LolliPop]

There are a few other inconsistencies besides those you listed. For example, GG stated that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill earlier in the day and had been drinking. Does that seem consistent with someone you would take snorkeling for their first time ever?

And it was very late in the afternoon---a very silly time to try and snorkel because the water is too dark because of the angle of the sun.

And the witnesses say they saw them walking on the beach, but never entered the water. Other witnesses saw them drive off without entering the water. Those are also inconsistencies in his story.

Add to it the fact that she was dressed with her make up done, her extensions all curled and done up, and she had been leisurely drinking and eating all afternoon---what makes her suddenly want to snorkel that day?

As you said, if she had taken pills and been drinking, either of these by themselves and more so taken together could have been the catalyst that suddenly made her want to go snorkeling.

And yes, there are inconsistancies from all sides including these witnesses.

 

[LolliPop]

BBM

And GG knew the alcohol and the sleeping pill would dumb her down. As a matter of fact he was counting on it.

IF it was his intention and it is a big IF, then that may well be but at this stage, that remains hearsay.

It must also be remembered that people who do drink excessively and do drugs, do not feel as if they are dumbed down, when in fact they are.

Alcohol is a depressant, it is not a stimulant as a lot of people believe.

 

[LambChop]

IF it was his intention and it is a big IF, then that may well be but at this stage, that remains hearsay.

It must also be remembered that people who do drink excessively and do drugs, do not feel as if they are dumbed down, when in fact they are.

Alcohol is a depressant, it is not a stimulant as a lot of people believe.

It's speculation, not hearsay. We are not in court and just speculating at this point based on information we have received so far. There is a big difference. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

Do thousands of people explore these rocky seabeds, rocks, and coral barefoot? I don't think even alcohol could "dumb" the senses enough to feel no pain whilst doing so.

Giordano said they were sober anyway... "a sober couple" were his exact words.

Coral is a different story to rocks.

I grew up literally at the sea and spent the majority of my life up until about 16 years old on the beach.

The only time I wore shoes was to school, otherwise we played barefeet.

I also fished barefeet for sharks from the shore and from the rocks.

It was far safer to be barefeet than to wear any form of shoes or sandals even though there were rubber fishing sandals available.

The point that I am trying to make is that area as shown in the video would not have posed any problem to me with barefeet.

I wager the locals would be accustomed to being barefeet there.

 

[vlpate]

Yes he said the discrepancies had to do with the way GG described "the weather, tides,and conditions of the place they went snorkeling. That is it. No other discrepancies have ever been disclosed by ALE.

Instead of using the GENERAL term " serious inconsistencies" could we just wait until someone here posts those EXACT inconsistencies for comparison instead of using the term to discredit everything GG says. My opinion only, but isn't that line of reference getting a little tedious??

BEM: Bingo, they haven't been revealed. We are not privy to the interviews between GG and LE, so the particulars are not out there for us to compare.

However, what we do know....

• GG said he and Robyn went snorkeling, yet a witness said he never saw them go into the water during the timeline GG gave LE.
• GG, according to a source, said Robyn had been drinking and took an ambien that day - then says they were a "sober couple".
• The terrain GG pointed out to LE as the entry point of their snorkeling adventure, was too rocky for anyone but God to traverse barefoot
• GG said the waters were rough at the time they were snorkeling, this was proved untrue
• GG says there is a Dutch tourist guide for Aruba that states one should call their insurance carrier if someone goes missing during their visit - but also says his attorney told him to call. Which is it. It can't be the tourist guide because there's not one containing his referenced directive.

Two things Stein did say....
"(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/gary-giordano-aruba-leaving_n_1118319.html)

"The case does not end here. Mr. Giordano will remain our prime suspect," said Solicitor General Taco Stein.

"We know he has been lying about what happened ... We know his story is not true," Stein said.

IMO, had they never let Joran leave the country, a young woman would be alive today and her parents wouldn't be filled with pain and anguish at the thought of her death tomorrow, Christmas day. The fact that they let him go is meaningless to me.

 

[katydid23]

As you said, if she had taken pills and been drinking, either of these by themselves and more so taken together could have been the catalyst that suddenly made her want to go snorkeling.

And yes, there are inconsistancies from all sides including these witnesses.

She had 1500 hundred dollars worth of hair extensions. She would not want to go into the corrosive salt water, and especially if she had taken a sleeping pill. That kind of high does not 'energize' or motivate someone in that way. It does not act like a catalyst to motivate someone to be adventurous. It is not like she did some coke or ectstasy and suddenly decided to do something wacky. The waiter said she seemed woozy and out of it--not adventurous.

And there are no witnesses that say they saw them go in the water, ONLY ones that saw them leave or walk along the beach. What does that tell you?

 

[LambChop]

Coral is a different story to rocks.

I grew up literally at the sea and spent the majority of my life up until about 16 years old on the beach.

The only time I wore shoes was to school, otherwise we played barefeet.

I also fished barefeet for sharks from the shore and from the rocks.

It was far safer to be barefeet than to wear any form of shoes or sandals even though there were rubber fishing sandals available.

The point that I am trying to make is that area as shown in the video would not have posed any problem to me with barefeet.

I wager the locals would be accustomed to being barefeet there.

The locals don't go into the water there they have enough sense not to. Problem is getting to the water is covered with this coral rock also and it can cut like a razor. GG claims she was cut trying to get in so he can't say there were no rocks.

What you are comparing is apples to oranges. Unless you have been there you can't imagine, obviously. When people who live there, people who have visited there and LE all say they don't believe she went into the water at that location you would think others would be included to believe that they know what they are talking about. I don't think she ever went into that water, at least not there. jmo

 

[katydid23]

IF it was his intention and it is a big IF, then that may well be but at this stage, that remains hearsay.

It must also be remembered that people who do drink excessively and do drugs, do not feel as if they are dumbed down, when in fact they are.

Alcohol is a depressant, it is not a stimulant as a lot of people believe.

Exactly. It is a depressant, not a stimulant. So why, at 4 in the afternoon, would she decide to go snorkeling? After taking a sleeping pill and some vodka, and being fully made up with her extensions all curled, and being dressed for dinner. ?

And more important, imo, why would he let her do so?

 

[LolliPop]

She had 1500 hundred dollars worth of hair extensions. She would not want to go into the corrosive salt water, and especially if she had taken a sleeping pill. That kind of high does not 'energize' or motivate someone in that way. It does not act like a catalyst to motivate someone to be adventurous. It is not like she did some coke or ectstasy and suddenly decided to do something wacky. The waiter said she seemed woozy and out of it--not adventurous.

And there are no witnesses that say they saw them go in the water, ONLY ones that saw them leave or walk along the beach. What does that tell you?

That the ALE must have not taken all these witnesses seriously or he would have been charged and be awaiting trial.

 

[katydid23]

Coral is a different story to rocks.

I grew up literally at the sea and spent the majority of my life up until about 16 years old on the beach.

The only time I wore shoes was to school, otherwise we played barefeet.

I also fished barefeet for sharks from the shore and from the rocks.

It was far safer to be barefeet than to wear any form of shoes or sandals even though there were rubber fishing sandals available.

The point that I am trying to make is that area as shown in the video would not have posed any problem to me with barefeet.

I wager the locals would be accustomed to being barefeet there.

Robyn was not a local. In fact she was a 35 yr old office worker. She probably had very tender feet. imo

 

[katydid23]

That the ALE must have not taken all these witnesses seriously or he would have been charged and be awaiting trial.

No, because even that does not prove murder. They need more than just those witness testimonies. They need a body that shows she was pushed off the cliffs, for example. Or a witness who saw them struggling on the bluff.

 

[Sapphire]

That the ALE must have not taken all these witnesses seriously or he would have been charged and be awaiting trial.

Not necessarily.....no body, no case. Remember?

 

[LolliPop]

The locals don't go into the water there they have enough sense not to. Problem is getting to the water is covered with this coral rock also and it can cut like a razor. GG claims she was cut trying to get in so he can't say there were no rocks.

What you are comparing is apples to oranges. Unless you have been there you can't imagine, obviously. When people who live there, people who have visited there and LE all say they don't believe she went into the water at that location you would think others would be included to believe that they know what they are talking about. I don't think she ever went into that water, at least not there. jmo

What is coral rock ?

Having viewed the footage of that area, those rocks are just rocks found in any sea rock pool.

Sure, if you kick your toe or dont walk in the correct manner, you may get a cut or two.

But to say that one cannot walk there is not correct, I would walk over those rocks, no problem.

But we are not going to be ad idem on this subject so I won't continue with it other than to say, shalll we agree to disagree ?