AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #7

[sleepinoz]

:wagon: Maggie_May :greetings:

 

[Bohemian]

:wagon: Maggie_May :greetings:

Indeedy!

 

[Trooper]

Just saying...if a friend of my daughter called to say my daughter needed money put into my daughter's account I would think it was safe putting money into my daughter's account.
I would certainly not put it into anyone else's account.

So, in essence, the caller may not have pretended to be Karlie but a friend and even more convincingly, a known friend.
In this scenario, I would be easily tricked.

You are far more trusting than I , They'll. I'd demand the friend fetch the daughter to the phone stat. or there would be people cut out of wills, etc.. However.... the caller did , in fact, pretend to be Karlie, according to Les Bray of the SA police.. no ambiguity about it, no maybe, no perhaps, or might have.. did do. A quote from the SA pol website.



On at least a couple of occassions that we know of maybe more. That a female falsley represented herself to be Karlie in communication to family and friends. certainly some of those communications induced a family member to send money...............

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-poli...k-force-mallee

 

[Trooper]

It's interesting to track Holdom, and Passmore all around 3 states ..lining it up with the location of the withdrawals from ATM's,..... '

With Karlie's body hidden in the Belanglo Forest, and Holdom and his accomplice zipping hither and yon, the mystery is .. where was Khandalyce's body stored all this time.. ? I find it hard to believe it was taken on their travels.... it isn't impossible, but to me, at this point, it seems improbable.. have to wait until the trial for that mystery to be unravelled...

 

[Maggie_May]

Thanks Sleepy if I may be so informal so soon!:seeya:

 

[Bohemian]

You are far more trusting than I , They'll. I'd demand the friend fetch the daughter to the phone stat. or there would be people cut out of wills, etc.. However.... the caller did , in fact, pretend to be Karlie, according to Les Bray of the SA police.. no ambiguity about it, no maybe, no perhaps, or might have.. did do. A quote from the SA pol website.



On at least a couple of occassions that we know of maybe more. That a female falsley represented herself to be Karlie in communication to family and friends. certainly some of those communications induced a family member to send money...............

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-poli...k-force-mallee

Yes, to your first point, Troop.

Secondly, this brings up the intimacy between Karlie and fraudsters.

Unless they were short, angry phone calls demanding money; or blubbering, begging ones; or indeed other circumstances where Karlie's (and, possibly, Khandalyce's) voices could have been heard as distorted, I lean towards thinking the fraudsters must know; or at least have had access to, at least a little of Karlie's and Khandalyce's (and their family's and friends') intimate information.

But, then again, people hear what they want to hear, etc, and I'm sure with both Karlie and Khandalyce being almost MIA, their family and friends would want to hear 'Karlie's' voice (and that of 'Khandalyce'); which also makes me wonder if an innocent child of a similar age and sex was used in the commission of these frauds.

If so...B*st*rds...

 

[Trooper]

Yes, to you first point, Troop.

Secondly, this brings up the intimacy between Karlie and fraudsters. Unless they were angry phone calls demanding money or blubbering, begging ones where 'Karlie's' voice could have heard as distorted, I lean towards thinking fraudsters must know or at least have had access to at least a little of Karlie's and Khandalyce's intimate information. But, then again, people hear what they want to hear, etc and I'm sure with both Karlie and Khandalyce being almost MIA they would want to hear 'her' voice and that of Khandalyce (which also makes me wonder if an innocent child of a similar age and sex was used in the commission if these frauds).

If so...B*st*rds...

I have no doubt that the female impersonator was fully up to speed with the environment Colleen lived in, and Karlie and Colleen's family dynamic, on an intricate and detailed basis. .. absolutely. . I am sure the female impersonator was able to dredge up the dead Karlie's speech patterns, phrases, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that some 2 yr old girl child was kept within calling distance to shout out ' granma' to Colleen. No doubt at all. This whole thing would have been rehearsed and rehearsed, so much depended on it.

 

[Trooper]

It isn't any mystery why Colleen was tricked by the false Karlie.. she probably wanted so much to hear from Karlie, that her capacity to discern would be severely compromised, and all manner of stuff, like a bad connection, in traffic, etc could be given for the quality of voice to Colleen. The cruelty and utter blatant nerve of this female impersonator has no limits.. From what SA POL say, it wasn't just the once, talk about confidence.. text, voice, a woman with many gifts and the coolest nerve, plus , the obligatory wickedness to do such a thing to a dying woman, because the impersonator knows this about Colleen.. this is obvious on the stuff she must have been monitoring to make the call in the first place.

She knows she has to protect Holdom from consequences, so her performance has to be damn near perfect. Getting Colleen to fork over money must have bought a brief grin to both their faces. It's like the ice cream on the cake. . Reassuring Collen that I, Karlie (the impersonator ) don't need to be listed as Officially Missing is the goal and the outcome needed, and there it is, 2009.. Colleen cancels the Missing Person request. Karlie has been lying dead in the Forest for nearly a year. Khandalyce has been lying dead somewhere for nearly a year.

How bloody nerveless is that? And you have to do it without a grin, or a cough or any hesitation at all. It has to be nailed down and flawless. Facing Centrelink and the Bank must have been a walk in the park after that one. And she pulled those off, too. Centrelink didn't jib, until much later, due to an unconnected technical glitch, and the Bank signed off and issued new cards from the new bank.. Nobody blinked, nobody twigged, no body doubted.

That's why I want this female impersonator in the box, being questioned by the SA state prosecutor..

 

[they'll get you]

Fair enough, Sleep, but I didn't mean to imply that and I'm sorry if it sounded that way.

I think the fact is that although the police have charged someone we really have no idea of the details and what, if any, defence he might make.

Innocent until proven guilty is the phrase I always have in my mind - being charged and being proven guilty are poles apart.
I am so grateful we live in a society where this is the law, but I am also always mindful of the way the meadia treated Lindy Chamberlain and how most Australians believed her guilty.
Needless to say, I never did.

I am just not a person who is willing to make judgements about people based on what they look like, who they associate with, their past mistakes, or how they appear in the media.
I try to give everyone, quite literally, the benefit of the doubt, both in real life, in media stories and online, and not jump to hasty conclusions about them.

It drives some people nuts, but I'm not likely to change and start judging people just to please others.

I don't. That's why I have locks on my doors, quite literally!

 

[Bohemian]

It's interesting to track Holdom, and Passmore all around 3 states ..lining it up with the location of the withdrawals from ATM's,..... '

With Karlie's body hidden in the Belanglo Forest, and Holdom and his accomplice zipping hither and yon, the mystery is .. where was Khandalyce's body stored all this time.. ? I find it hard to believe it was taken on their travels.... it isn't impossible, but to me, at this point, it seems improbable.. have to wait until the trial for that mystery to be unravelled...

DJH and HP had 'home bases' in either the NT and/or Northfield SA during this time.

Also, we only have the sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce at Charnwood? ACT on ??/11/08. Not sure yet who accessed her ACU account at Kippax Fair ACT on 24/11/08.

Also not sure HP was 'zipping anywhere at this time as she had been crippled in the MVA at Marla NT on 15/09/08 and is thought to have been either in hospital in NT or undergoing rehab in SA and/or living at Northfield SA in wheelchair-friendly housing.

As for DJH's (alias DJM) whereabouts during that time, we don't 'know' where he was, so can only make assumptions based on his current charge for Karlie's alleged murder, the location of his mobile phone at Belanglo State Forest on 14-15/12/2008, where Karlie's remains were found on 29/08/2010, and the assorted ATM transactions which were made after the approximate alleged date of Karlie's death.

Karlie being allegedly murdered in the ACT/NSW between ??/11/08 and14-15/12/08, given the location of her remains in Belanglo State Forest; definitely. As for Khandalyce, not so sure, as her remains were found at Wynarka SA, but it would make sense for her to have previously been in the company of Karlie in the ACT. If this is the case; we don't know who, when, how, or even if, a live Khandalyce (or her remains) were taken back to SA from the ACT; even if we know ACU keycard transactions.

All IMO (at the moment...please bear with me...links to come).

 

[Amee]

Oct 27th

DES BRAY: And the last recorded sighting is now confirmed as being in Charnwood in Canberra.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

other links in this thread and others....

 

[Bohemian]

Oct 27th

DES BRAY: And the last recorded sighting is now confirmed as being in Charnwood in Canberra.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2015/s4339988.htm

other links in this thread and others....

Thanks hon

 

[Trooper]

that damned card..

Bohemian.. That card had all the properties of Merlin.. it went everywhere. up and down the Stuart Hwy, down the Riverina, clear across Victoria on the Midland, how I would like to have all locations of all the transactions.


I have a theory that when the female impersonator went to the bank ( when the bank merged with another and new cards issued to all customers) and , posing as Karlie, got the details changed to this false Karlie.. I wonder if she then sent that new card to Holdom, or was he still stuck with the old card ( found by the police still in his wallet at a roadside check, and out of date and invalid) ..

It seems to me, that up until then, that card and the capacity to withdraw from it, was a shared enterprise.. 2 cards issued in the one name perhaps.. but after the bank merge and the change, one card. One holder in possession of the card. Until the thing dries up when Centrelink spits the dummy over some missed appointment.

Or was Holdom the bloke who pushed the wheelchair to Centrelink and the bank..... keeping an eye on that card, and an eye on the Centrelink shenanigans, also...not known yet, but it will be known.

 

[Trooper]

and the pusher of the wheel chair , at least, to Centrelink, had to be in on the scam. The female impersonator would be wheeled into Centrelink as , say, for example, just a name out of the blue, Hazel Passmore, and then suddenly be in the queue as Ms Karlie Pearce-Stevenson, complete with identity papers, and all that paraphernalia , bank statements, bills, drivers licence, etc here to be dragged over the coals in regard to some complicated Centrelink anomaly.

 

[Maggie_May]

This is what is gobsmacking me Bohemian! If I rang my Mum under the supposed circumstances (even given all of us sisters even sound very similar), there is no way (even given the possibilities of anger/tears/feigned line distortions, etc) that Mum would not twig...especially as it seems these calls/this call was used to ask for money to be deposited. That takes some chutzpah!

 

[Maggie_May]

I can't help thinking there must have been an element of "call off that MPR Mum" and maybe some reference to the alleged bounty/$25k she was alleged to have skipped town with?

 

[Karo]

As time gos on, I think HP is less likely to be involved in the fraud or the murders.
As far as I can determine, she was not able to be the one facing interviews at those times. relationship ended with DH and began with her current partner as they have a child, they were no longer a couple soon after the accident.

 

[Trooper]

As time gos on, I think HP is less likely to be involved in the fraud or the murders.
As far as I can determine, she was not able to be the one facing interviews at those times. relationship ended with DH and began with her current partner as they have a child, they were no longer a couple soon after the accident.

the complexity of that!... the murderer gets another woman prepared to play this game in a wheelchair... just like Hazel.. as if, further down the line, Hazel is implicated merely thru the wheelchair association.. its as if he gets someone to impersonate Hazel impersonating Karlie.. its like those Russian dolls one inside the other..

I have to say, Karo, this has spun around in my head .. this scenario.. I wonder how many men, on average , have 2 women friends younger than he in wheelchairs.. a statistic that has to be somewhere!..

I put nothing past any one them. .. if you can murder a tiny motherless and fatherless child, you can do anything. Nothing would faze you, nothing would stop you, there would be nothing you couldn't do .

 

[Bohemian]

As time gos on, I think HP is less likely to be involved in the fraud or the murders.
As far as I can determine, she was not able to be the one facing interviews at those times. relationship ended with DH and began with her current partner as they have a child, they were no longer a couple soon after the accident.

We can't be sure that DJH's and HP's relationship ended in 2008/09. First of all, we need a source for that information. I know I have read (and, trust me, saw with my own two eyes on the TV) a neighbour's statement on how DJH and HP moved out of a Hillbank SA house PDQ in 2011. (Link to come...working on Timeline). Unless, of course, another wheelchair-bound, single lower-limbed amputee was impersonating HP.

 

[Wolfinator]

the complexity of that!... the murderer gets another woman prepared to play this game in a wheelchair... just like Hazel.. as if, further down the line, Hazel is implicated merely thru the wheelchair association.. its as if he gets someone to impersonate Hazel impersonating Karlie.. its like those Russian dolls one inside the other..

I have to say, Karo, this has spun around in my head .. this scenario.. I wonder how many men, on average , have 2 women friends younger than he in wheelchairs.. a statistic that has to be somewhere!..

I put nothing past any one them. .. if you can murder a tiny motherless and fatherless child, you can do anything. Nothing would faze you, nothing would stop you, there would be nothing you couldn't do .

If it looks like a duck...

I still feel that what you see is what you get so far with this case. I think it's the horror that's hard to swallow and that's one of the reasons we all try so hard to rationalise and question the players.

Both K&K had intrinsic financial value and they and their loved ones were preyed upon.


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