AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #4

[DutchTreat]

I will do this. I'm pretty sure they would have ended up at the Wingfield dump, but will go over some old hard drives in the next few days, as most of the clothing I had to sell I would take pics of. Hopefully I will still have some of them somewhere. That will give me some idea of the time frame, as well as wracking my brain to remember how they were disposed of. I can remember hiring a skip at one stage, and plenty would go in the weekly rubbish collection.

Ordinarily I am the first to say there is no such thing as coincidences, but I really doubt they would be the same clothes. Especially as from what I have seen, there were more items that simply did not match anything I had. I simply posted because they were pretty common pieces.

Still, best they get the info and not need it, than not get it and it may help.

Can you tell me if the dump you are talking about is close to Garden Island in Adelaide (like right next to it)?

The reason I'm asking is because that is where the mother of a girl that is still missing since 2000 was found http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/b/r/brown melissa - sa

If someone could have gotten a hold of your kid's old clothes and used them for some criminal coverup? I wouldn't be surprised if this missing/murdered person's case from 2000 might be linked. Don't ask me in what way. But it sure is a bit much of a coincidence.

 

[Hericania]

Can you tell me if the dump you are talking about is close to Garden Island in Adelaide (like right next to it)?

The reason I'm asking is because that is where the mother of a girl that is still missing since 2000 was found http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/b/r/brown melissa - sa

If someone could have gotten a hold of your old kid's clothes and used them for some criminal coverup? I wouldn't be surprised if this missing/murdered person's case from 2000 might be linked. Don't ask me in what way. But it sure is a bit much of a coincidence.

I just looked on the map and Wingfield Dump is not that far away from Wynarka (by Aussie standards!) 140 km, around 1.5 hours by car.

 

[Hericania]

Can you tell me if the dump you are talking about is close to Garden Island in Adelaide (like right next to it)?

The reason I'm asking is because that is where the mother of a girl that is still missing since 2000 was found http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/b/r/brown melissa - sa

If someone could have gotten a hold of your old kid's clothes and used them for some criminal coverup? I wouldn't be surprised if this missing/murdered person's case from 2000 might be linked. Don't ask me in what way. But it sure is a bit much of a coincidence.

I just looked on the map and Wingfield Dump is not that far away from Wynarka (by Aussie standards!) 140 km, around 1.5 hours by car.

Sorry DutchTreat, just read your question properly, they are pretty close by. About 13 mins by car, but that's if you go through the main entrance.
Not sure if it's fenced off or whether it would be possible for someone to walk in and pick up what they want.

 

[Hericania]

Shared route
From Garden Island, Port Adelaide, South Australia, Australia to Amcor Recycling - SA via Grand Trunkway.

Hope the link works, then you can see how close they are!
http://goo.gl/maps/gh5vS

 

[DutchTreat]

Shared route
From Garden Island, Port Adelaide, South Australia, Australia to Amcor Recycling - SA via Grand Trunkway.

Hope the link works, then you can see how close they are!
http://goo.gl/maps/gh5vS

[video=youtube;yqWHjUV5JrI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqWHjUV5JrI[/video]
see my next post for part 2, I can only include one video per post.

These links are about the murdered mother and missing daughter. The mother was literally found next to that dump.

 

[DutchTreat]

[video=youtube;Gbuh4_O2E2Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbuh4_O2E2Q[/video]

and part 2

 

[Hericania]

So obviously 'Angel' could not be Melissa because of the age difference, but there were definitely some dodgy people hanging around in that neck of the woods.

I 'streetviewed' the dump near the island, and there doesn't seem to be any security or fencing, so it would be easy for anyone to access from the Garden Island direction.

 

[DutchTreat]

So obviously 'Angel' could not be Melissa because of the age difference, but there were definitely some dodgy people hanging around in that neck of the woods.

I 'streetviewed' the dump near the island, and there doesn't seem to be any security or fencing, so it would be easy for anyone to access from the Garden Island direction.

No Angel cannot be Melissa. But if Melissa was abducted and her mother murdered when she was 15. She might very well have been exploited, abused and could have given birth to Angel around 2004/2005.

 

[Hericania]

No Angel cannot be Melissa. But if Melissa was abducted and her mother murdered when she was 15. She might very well have been exploited, abused and could have given birth to Angel around 2004/2005.

Ah, Now I understand!

It's a horrible thought, but perfectly possible.

If you were living off the grid, and trying to avoid detection it would be completely feasible to scavenge kids clothes, and other essentials from a nearby dump. Even clothes in the most revolting condition would be fair game, as they could be washed.

 

[DutchTreat]

Ah, Now I understand!

It's a horrible thought, but perfectly possible.

If you were living off the grid, and trying to avoid detection it would be perfectly feasible to scavenge kids clothes, and other essentials from a nearby dump.

Yes and especially if you saw your mother been murdered at 15. I think it is entirely possible that someone abducted and abused the 15 year old and scared the hell out of her. And she would have been extremely vulnerable if she had a little girl that was completely off the grid.

 

[kiwi50]

Occam's Razor tells me the following
Suitcase man has nothing to do with it, main reason because broad daylight and on foot. If you had no transport, at the very least wouldn't you do it at night, but think easier ways to dispose of bones. I don't have a problem with him not coming forward. He could have been an itinerant worker heading anywhere.

As to who did dump suitcase, if they thought it only contained old clothes and had been stolen, could have been from nearby, but if the person knew whose bones were in case, I think they would have driven some distance before dumping case.

I can't come up with a logical simple theory though of why bones in suitcase to begin with unless person had no way of burying them or was nowhere near water.

 

[DutchTreat]

Occam's Razor tells me the following
Suitcase man has nothing to do with it, main reason because broad daylight and on foot. If you had no transport, at the very least wouldn't you do it at night, but think easier ways to dispose of bones. I don't have a problem with him not coming forward. He could have been an itinerant worker heading anywhere.

As to who did dump suitcase, if they thought it only contained old clothes and had been stolen, could have been from nearby, but if the person knew whose bones were in case, I think they would have driven some distance before dumping case.

I can't come up with a logical simple theory though of why bones in suitcase to begin with unless person had no way of burying them or was nowhere near water.

If Occam's Razor actually worked, there would be no unsolved crimes :snooty:
I think there is a perfectly logical reason why suitcase man doesn't pop up.

 

[Hericania]

Occam's Razor tells me the following
Suitcase man has nothing to do with it, main reason because broad daylight and on foot. If you had no transport, at the very least wouldn't you do it at night, but think easier ways to dispose of bones. I don't have a problem with him not coming forward. He could have been an itinerant worker heading anywhere.

As to who did dump suitcase, if they thought it only contained old clothes and had been stolen, could have been from nearby, but if the person knew whose bones were in case, I think they would have driven some distance before dumping case.

I can't come up with a logical simple theory though of why bones in suitcase to begin with unless person had no way of burying them or was nowhere near water.

I agree, suitcase man is likely unrelated, however if the perp came from Adelaide, he has driven quite a long way from home.
If the girl has been living off the grid, wearing clothes scavenged from a dump, he may well have convinced himself that the bones are untraceable or no-one will care about a girl who was never reported missing.

 

[Dogface]

I think bones in suitcase meant having to carry them either a distance and worried about being stopped(most of the times cops don't search cars and a suitcase if traveling is not suspicious) or having to carry them in a way in front of people that wouldn't be alarming.

 

[AtaraMalka]

What about this?

Man around 60, neatly optic, not really known to Wynarka people (but perhaps yes, only they don't notice it: unknown clothing, cap, sunglasses, something like that?) walks through the area with a suitcase. Nobody knows, whether the suitcase (dark, clean, heavy weight) is deposited somewhere or not. Man and suitcase are disappearing at the end.
Next time in May suitcase man returns from the nowhere to Wynarka, again walks with a suitcase through the area (town, highway), nobody recognises him except having the thought "this is the same suitcase man from last month, odd".

Maybe, the Wynarka people would know the man, if he was dressed in his usual "uniform" and without a cap and with
glasses (not sunglasses) and if he had spoken to somebody in his usual manner.

On 15. July a degraded suitcase, dirty clothing and bones of a little girl are found.

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My story ends with :dunno: I don't know, what had been in the suitcase in April, what had been in the suitcase in May, why was suitcase man walking around, where he wanted to go, where he did come from, where his car was parked, why nobody had seen something like a car/van/truck/motorcycle/taxi. <modsnip>

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I think you raise a good point re the possibility of suitcase man being disguised. Perhaps a disguise is what made him so apparently confident about walking around in broad daylight?

I also feel feel that if he was originally from Wynarka or a town nearby but had been away for many years, he may have looked like a stranger to locals. That would also explain why he avoided conversation with anyone - to avoid recognition.


But I like the idea of a disguise.

 

[sleuthin-suz]

This particular case is off topic but it does demonstrate how children slip through the system and die as a result. I'm wondering if little Angel suffered a similar fate.

Families SA: Coronial inquest

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...478712822?sv=b3015c66c20e62c2a4a3ee95d20403c4

after reading this one would assume that the Police are working with Families SA and going through files dating back in regards to the little girl in this case.

 

[debirlfan]

I can't come up with a logical simple theory though of why bones in suitcase to begin with unless person had no way of burying them or was nowhere near water.

It may not make sense, but I've definitely heard of cases where murdered children have been stashed away in attics or garages or storage units for decades before someone else came across them for one reason or other. A suitcase stolen from a shed would fit with the way it was found. I also hope that police have checked with local storage unit places to see if any unpaid units were auctioned off around the time the suitcase appeared - someone could have died or otherwise been unable to keep up the rent on a unit...

 

[MsDee]

Can you tell me if the dump you are talking about is close to Garden Island in Adelaide (like right next to it)?

The reason I'm asking is because that is where the mother of a girl that is still missing since 2000 was found http://www.missingpersons.gov.au/missing-persons/profiles/profiles/b/r/brown melissa - sa

If someone could have gotten a hold of your kid's old clothes and used them for some criminal coverup? I wouldn't be surprised if this missing/murdered person's case from 2000 might be linked. Don't ask me in what way. But it sure is a bit much of a coincidence.

It is possible. The dump and Garden Island are close on a map, but in reality it takes a bit of going to get from one to the other. There is only grand Trunkway coming off the island, and there is industry on all the ground between the two. They are all fenced, as is the dump. I don't know for sure but I would assume the dump to have security cameras. It's probably more do-able in a boat travelling up North Arm creek, with some wirecutters to get through fencing, but that is sounding more far fetched by the minute.

But if that scenario were to hold, the timing of the clothes being there doesn't fit. The Browns case happened in 2000, I didn't even start selling on ebay till 2003. Even if the clothes were there then, why would they pick up a badly soiled suitcase then keep it all this time, bearing in mind Angel wouldn't have even been born yet?

What sounds more plausible is what if Melissa Brown wasn't murdered, but kept by someone, and had a little girl. Hence no record of the birth anywhere. What if Angel was the little girl? Though I am sure the police would be able to check the DNA, as they would have it on file.

As for the dump itself, you aren't allowed to pick through it when dumping stuff. The last time I was there, which was back in the 90's with my dad, you simply drove up, went to where the staff directed you, and tipped your stuff off the trailer. They would watch, as they would sell anything they found there at a fenced off area to the side on the way in, and didn't want their profits taken away.

 

[DutchTreat]

It is possible. The dump and Garden Island are close on a map, but in reality it takes a bit of going to get from one to the other. There is only grand Trunkway coming off the island, and there is industry on all the ground between the two. They are all fenced, as is the dump. I don't know for sure but I would assume the dump to have security cameras. It's probably more do-able in a boat travelling up North Arm creek, with some wirecutters to get through fencing, but that is sounding more far fetched by the minute.

But if that scenario were to hold, the timing of the clothes being there doesn't fit. The Browns case happened in 2000, I didn't even start selling on ebay till 2003. Even if the clothes were there then, why would they pick up a badly soiled suitcase then keep it all this time, bearing in mind Angel wouldn't have even been born yet?

What sounds more plausible is what if Melissa Brown wasn't murdered, but kept by someone, and had a little girl. Hence no record of the birth anywhere. What if Angel was the little girl? Though I am sure the police would be able to check the DNA, as they would have it on file.

As for the dump itself, you aren't allowed to pick through it when dumping stuff. The last time I was there, which was back in the 90's with my dad, you simply drove up, went to where the staff directed you, and tipped your stuff off the trailer. They would watch, as they would sell anything they found there at a fenced off area to the side on the way in, and didn't want their profits taken away.

Are you sure that the items you recognised and mentioned before, you disposed of years before 2007-2008?

 

[JaneSA]

A suitcase stolen from a shed would fit with the way it was found....

Ok - new theory

Bones had been recovered from grave and stored in case by, for arguments sake, the terrified and totally dominated wife. Husband doesn't know she did that.

Suitcase was randomly stolen during shed break-in (remember, it's been a persistent problem in the area) and dumped by thieves when found to contain only revolting old clothes.

Owner of shed has reported theft to police because some valuable items were stolen, but only later, when wife checks, does he know the suitcase is gone.
Wife tells him what she has hidden in it.

So the whole point of suitcase-man's very public and obvious appearances is to attempt to make police think the case was dumped on a date unrelated to the date of the reported shed robbery in the hope they won't think to investigate him.