Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[MsMarple]

Key Event
2m ago

Erin again denies drinking coffee the morning after deadly lunch​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Dr Rogers then asks Ms Patterson about the morning after the lunch, when her son told police he had seen her drinking a coffee from a mug.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court that was wrong and her son was mistaken, and that she was drinking something like a ginger and lemon tea instead.

"I believe he's made an assumption, because on 99 per cent of the days of his life he's probably got up and seen me drinking a coffee," Ms Patterson says now when asked about it.

Dr Rogers suggests she wouldn't be drinking coffee if she was unwell with diarrhoea.

"I would agree with that," Ms Patterson says.

The prosecutor suggests that her assertion she was drinking herbal tea is a lie. Ms Patterson disagrees.

 

[MsMarple]

Wow, according to Erin her children were wrong on just about everything.

 

[mamamama9873]

The jury has entered the court room.

Erin Patterson, dressed in a dark-coloured shirt with white polka dots, is seated in the witness box.


[wow, EP is getting a lot of use out of that shirt? Or maybe she has a couple white polka dot shirts?]

How much access would a defendant have to a wardrobe, I am unsure.
But anyhow, it is totally irrelevant to the case and I’m surprised these details are even being reported on (would they do the same reporting for a male defendant?).

 

[LinasK]

Key Event
2m ago

Erin again denies drinking coffee the morning after deadly lunch​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Dr Rogers then asks Ms Patterson about the morning after the lunch, when her son told police he had seen her drinking a coffee from a mug.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court that was wrong and her son was mistaken, and that she was drinking something like a ginger and lemon tea instead.

"I believe he's made an assumption, because on 99 per cent of the days of his life he's probably got up and seen me drinking a coffee," Ms Patterson says now when asked about it.

Dr Rogers suggests she wouldn't be drinking coffee if she was unwell with diarrhoea.

"I would agree with that," Ms Patterson says.

The prosecutor suggests that her assertion she was drinking herbal tea is a lie. Ms Patterson disagrees.

BBM. Bingo! This is what I've been saying all along. So then Why did Erin testify that she DID drink some coffee on the drive to/from the flying lessons? I think it was from the gas station.

 

[LinasK]

How much access would a defendant have to a wardrobe, I am unsure.
But anyhow, it is totally irrelevant to the case and I’m surprised these details are even being reported on (would they do the same for men?).

It's mildly interesting, since I'm only getting descriptions here in the US.

 

[Shortfusepsb]

How much access would a defendant have to a wardrobe, I am unsure.
But anyhow, it is totally irrelevant to the case and I’m surprised these details are even being reported on (would they do the same for men?).

Yes, it’s actually part of standard court reporting etiquette. Because cameras are not permitted inside Australian courtrooms, describing what the accused is wearing helps paint a visual reference for readers. It adds a human detail to the reporting and complements the courtroom sketches, offering a fuller picture of the proceedings for those following the case.

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
3m ago

Prosecutor alleges two more lies were made to cover her tracks​

By Joseph Dunstan​

The prosecutor then turns to evidence Ms Patterson has given about taking imodium to treat diarrhoea in the 48 hours after the lunch and suggests this was "another lie", noting she did not tell health staff at Leongatha Hospital about it.

Ms Patterson disagrees.

Dr Rogers moves on to Ms Patterson's account of the car trip made to Tyabb the day after the lunch for her son's flying lesson, which was ultimately cancelled.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court that on the journey, her diarrhoea symptoms forced her to stop on the highway and go to the side of the road to relieve herself.

Dr Rogers puts to Ms Patterson that her son did not recall her stopping for this emergency toilet trip when he spoke to police because it never happened and was "another lie". Ms Patterson disagrees.

 

[mamamama9873]

Yes, it’s actually part of standard court reporting etiquette. Because cameras are not permitted inside Australian courtrooms, describing what the accused is wearing helps paint a visual reference for readers. It adds a human detail to the reporting and complements the courtroom sketches, offering a fuller picture of the proceedings for those following the case.

Fair enough, I wasn’t aware

 

[MsMarple]

Of course they are…

Key Event
1m ago

Erin says children's account of dinner is incorrect​

By Joseph Dunstan and Mikaela Ortolan​

She then moves to the dinner that night, when Ms Patterson has told the court she fed her children leftover meat from a beef Wellington prepared for the lunch.

Dr Rogers then goes to the evidence from the children, who both told police that their mother prepared a meal for herself but ate little or none of it.

In that police interview, Ms Patterson's daughter had told police her mother ate the same meal as her and her brother.

Ms Patterson says they're both mistaken.

 

[L_B]

BBM. Bingo! This is what I've been saying all along. So then Why did Erin testify that she DID drink some coffee on the drive to/from the flying lessons? I think it was from the gas station.

I thought it was from the donut (?) van that had the funny name/place Kee something or rather

 

[katydid23]

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC is cross-examining Erin Patterson.

Rogers shows Patterson images of mushrooms found on an SD card that police seized from her Leongatha home a week after the lunch.

Patterson put her glasses on as she looks at the screen in front of her in the stand.

Rogers says the photos were taken between 23 April 2020 and 5 May 2020.

“Did you eat any of these mushrooms or are you unable to remember?” Rogers says.

Patterson says she cannot remember.

Asked if she fed any of these mushrooms to her children, Patterson says she cannot remember.

Erin Patterson says she was drinking herbal tea, not coffee, day after lunch

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC says the department of health official SallyAnn Atkinson gave evidence about a conversation she had with Patterson’s estranged husband, Simon, on 31 July 2023 - two days after the fateful lunch.

Atkinson said she asked if Patterson could have picked the mushrooms herself, Rogers says.

Simon said it was not something he knew Patterson to do, the court hears.

Patterson says she cannot comment about what Simon knew.

Simon Patterson, Erin’s estranged husband and the son of Gail and Don Patterson – two of the guests at the beef wellington lunch. Photograph: Diego Fedele/AAP
Rogers says Patterson’s son gave evidence that on the morning after the fateful lunch he saw his mother drinking coffee at the dining room table.

Pattersons says she thinks her son made an “assumption” because she generally drinks coffee. Patterson told the jury she was drinking herbal tea that morning.

“I suggest you wouldn’t be drinking coffee if you were experiencing serious diarrhoea issues,” Rogers says.

Patterson agrees with this.

Rogers says Patterson lied about drinking herbal tea on the Sunday morning.

Patterson rejects this.

Australia mushroom trial live: Erin Patterson cross-examined about factory resets on her phone in days after fateful beef wellington lunch

Victorian woman, 50, has pleaded not guilty to three charges of murder and one of attempted murder after a fatal beef wellington lunch in Leongatha in 2023. Follow live

www.theguardian.com

 

[lazymaiden07]

I find it extraordinary that every day of court there is a description of what the defendant is wearing! How this even in any way applicable or relevant to the proceedings or the interpretation of evidence is mind boggling.

Do you think it helps paint a picture? Given there is no video footage, and the same 2-3 artist sketches are used in every media report (plus some stock photo of a beef wellington!) i kinda like that i can visualise things.

 

[katydid23]

Erin Patterson says she is not lying about claim ex-husband accused her of poisoning using dehydrator​

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC takes Erin Patterson to her evidence that while in Monash hospital in the days after the lunch Simon asked her if she had used a dehydrator to poison his parents.

Rogers suggests Simon never accused her of using the dehydrator to poison his parents.

Rogers says this is “another lie” to explain why the next day she disposed of the dehydrator at a local tip.

Patterson rejects this.

 

[MsMarple]

Of course they are…

Key Event
1m ago

Erin says children's account of dinner is incorrect​

By Joseph Dunstan and Mikaela Ortolan​

She then moves to the dinner that night, when Ms Patterson has told the court she fed her children leftover meat from a beef Wellington prepared for the lunch.

Dr Rogers then goes to the evidence from the children, who both told police that their mother prepared a meal for herself but ate little or none of it.

In that police interview, Ms Patterson's daughter had told police her mother ate the same meal as her and her brother.

Ms Patterson says they're both mistaken.

Doting mother speaks… yeah, right.

 

[Lisa4]

She then moves to the dinner that night, when Ms Patterson has told the court she fed her children leftover meat from a beef Wellington prepared for the lunch.

Come on, come on now, please get into it. That meat cannot have been safe...

 

[JBowie]

Wow, according to Erin her children were wrong on just about everything.

I'm trying to imagine their reactions to this from their mother.

 

[katydid23]

Do you think it helps paint a picture? Given there is no video footage, and the same 2-3 artist sketches are used in every media report (plus some stock photo of a beef wellington!) i kinda like that i can visualise things.

That's why I think they do it. I've seen them describe males this way as well. Just to paint a mental picture to help visualise the situation. IMO

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
4m ago

Prosecution suggests Erin lied about conversation with estranged husband​

By Joseph Dunstan​

The prosecutor then moves to an alleged conversation between Simon and Erin Patterson at hospital in the days after the lunch.

Ms Patterson has previously told the court that her estranged husband asked her if she'd used the dehydrator to poison his parents.

She has told the court that this triggered anxiety which led her to throw out the dehydrator and run a factory reset on her phone. In his evidence to the trial, Simon Patterson denied this conversation ever took place.

"I suggest that this is another lie told by you to try and explain why, just the very next day, you went out ... to dispose of the dehydrator," Dr Rogers says.

Ms Patterson disagrees.

 

[MsMarple]

I’m about to have my dinner, someone please take over for a little while:

Live: Erin Patterson's cross-examination ends with three rapid-fire questions

Erin Patterson is facing more questions from the prosecution as the Supreme Court trial continues. Follow her evidence live.

www.abc.net.au

 

[tmar]

I kept wondering why Erin’s lawyers aren’t pulling her into line after her horrible performance during the cross-examination over the last few days. I found out that, under Victorian law, her lawyer is actually NOT allowed to talk to her while she is being cross-examined/under oath. So everything we are seeing (the hostility, semantic arguments, passive-aggressiveness) - it’s all based on her own beliefs and thoughts about what she needs to do/say to get herself out of 3 murder charges. I think if anything, this just shows how skewed her perception and thinking is. IMO.

Following bolded above.
So EP may not realize she is doing badly, thinking her answers are helping her prove her innocence.
No wonder, she continues to be rude in answering many of Dr Rogers's questions.
BUT, why the many non important lies?.