Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

19 minutes ago

Three calls made when Erin was left alone by police​

Dr Rogers then asks Erin further questions about Phone B, which she handed to police on August 5.
The jury previously heard a SIM card ending in 835 was in Phone B.
Erin told the jury last week she not only wanted to switch from Phone A to Phone B because of the issues with the screen, but she also wanted to change her phone number after Simon accused her of poisoning his parents.
She says the SIM card ending in 783 was her “usual” phone number, until she set up Phone B with the SIM card ending in 835.
But Dr Rogers puts to Erin that she only made three calls on Phone B after August 2, which were all made when she was given privacy to call a lawyer.
Dr Rogers accuses Erin of handing Phone B to police because she knew there was no data on the device.
“I did it because they asked for my phone and I gave it to them,” she replies.

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Wonder who she called?!

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/erin-patterson-trial-live-accused-back-on-the-stand-to-face-fifth-day-of-crossexamination/live-coverage/d1ce3d55d3ef30510fa9ce629604eec9#/entry/32180934

Also makes no sense to change phone numbers from Simon if he'll need to either pick up the kids from school once she's detained in the hospital or by police.

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
1m ago

Erin becomes emotional as defence continues questioning​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Throughout several days of cross-examination, Ms Patterson's voice has remained level as she has given evidence.

A notable exception was when she recalled the kindness she had been shown from Heather Wilkinson over the years and how that had inspired her to invite her to the beef Wellington lunch.

Now, as she's asked about the need for her to pack her daughter's bag for a ballet rehearsal on the Monday after the lunch, Ms Patterson's voice cracks.

The prosecution has asserted this was never in fact required, but Ms Patterson reaffirms under re-examination that it was.

 

[LinasK]

Key Event
Just now

Questions turn to the sixth beef Wellington​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Mr Mandy then asks Ms Patterson about the sixth beef Wellington, which the prosecution has alleged was prepared by Ms Patterson in the hope that Simon would attend the lunch and she could poison him as well.

Ms Patterson tells the court there was a simpler reason for preparing the six Wellingtons, which was the number of individual eye fillets she had.

That makes no sense either- if you're making a 6th individual BW in case Simon shows up- why toss it out when it's expensive, when you are saving the other leftover portions- unless it's because you know it's poisoned and want to keep that from police/kids.

 

[Brooklyn127]

Has it ever been stated that manslaughter would be allowed as a lesser charge? I have seen it speculated upon here, but not sure there's been a definitive answer.
If so, at what point in the trial would that be offered to the jury? By the judge, I would presume?
The alternative, of guilty or not guilty (of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder), is very absolute (i.e., yes or no, imprisoned or free), and would possibly leave criminal negligence fall through the cracks.

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
1m ago

We turn to a trip to Tyabb following the lunch before defence's evidence ends​

By Joseph Dunstan​

Her voice also becomes choked as she is asked why she was so insistent about taking her son to his flying lesson in Tyabb the day after the lunch.

"He was really passionate about it, and he's had a lot of cancelled lessons and I just didn't want to disappoint him," a teary Ms Patterson tells the jury.

Shortly afterwards, Mr Mandy announces he's wrapped up his questioning.

 

[MsMarple]

Key Event
1m ago

Ms Patterson has finished in the witness box​

By Joseph Dunstan​

With Erin Patterson's time in the witness box over, Justice Christopher Beale announces to the jury that this is the end of the evidence in this trial.

They're instructed to head home for the day so legal discussions can take place.

 

[mamamama9873]

Key Event
1m ago

Ms Patterson has finished in the witness box​

By Joseph Dunstan​

With Erin Patterson's time in the witness box over, Justice Christopher Beale announces to the jury that this is the end of the evidence in this trial.

They're instructed to head home for the day so legal discussions can take place.

Wow, so no more defense witnesses.
Guessing that jury deliberations won’t take too long after what’s been presented IMO

 

[katydid23]

Erin Patterson’s lawyer turns to her earlier evidence about weight-loss surgery

Barrister Colin Mandy SC says Erin Patterson told the jury that she was planning to have a pre-surgery appointment for a gastric bypass procedure on 13 September 2023 at Enrich clinic in Melbourne.

The court heard Patterson cancelled the appointment on 11 September 2023.

Rogers read a statement from the clinic yesterday that said the clinic has never offered gastric bypass surgery. Patterson agreed with this.

Earlier during cross-examination, Patterson said she was “puzzled” when told the clinic did not offer gastric bypass. She said she was also looking into liposuction.

Mandy shows Patterson medical records from the evidence brief in the case.

Erin Patterson says she cancelled Melbourne clinic appointment regarding treatment for weight loss

The records show that Erin Patterson contacted the Enrich clinic twice in early 2023.

Mandy asks what she knew when she contacted the clinic then.

“I was under the understanding they offered treatments concerning weight loss and I believed that to be .... gastric bypass and liposuction,” Patterson says.

Asked what she meant by a pre-surgery appointment, Patterson said the 13 September 2023 appointment was meant to be her first face-to-face consultation so staff could understand her “needs.”

Patterson agrees she cancelled the appointment. The jury is shown a text message from the clinic on 11 September 2023 to confirm the appointment.

Patterson says she thinks she rung the clinic to cancel.

Colin Mandy SC then shows the jury a screenshot from the Enrich clinic website.

It says the “Dr Rich will not be offering liposuction as a treatment option” from July 2024.

Patterson says in July 2023 she understood the clinic offered liposuction and other weight loss procedures.

Mandy asks why she cancelled the appointment.

“It was a difficult time, yeah, it was a very difficult time,” Patterson says.

Patterson agrees she was mistaken the clinic offered gastric bypass surgery.

Erin Patterson’s barrister says Melbourne clinic did offer liposuction surgery at one stage​

 

[MsMarple]

now22.53 EDT

The evidence concludes in the triple murder trial of Erin Patterson​

Justice Christopher Beale turns to the jury:

“Ladies and gentleman, that’s the conclusion of the evidence in this case,” he says.

He says the parties will commence legal discussions in the absence of the jury that “could take a while.”

“You can go home now,” he tells the jury.

The court adjourns.

 

[MrJ]

I was busy and missed most of it. Damn

 

[katydid23]

Erin Patterson’s lawyer turns to her earlier evidence about weight-loss surgery

Barrister Colin Mandy SC says Erin Patterson told the jury that she was planning to have a pre-surgery appointment for a gastric bypass procedure on 13 September 2023 at Enrich clinic in Melbourne.

The court heard Patterson cancelled the appointment on 11 September 2023.

Rogers read a statement from the clinic yesterday that said the clinic has never offered gastric bypass surgery. Patterson agreed with this.

Earlier during cross-examination, Patterson said she was “puzzled” when told the clinic did not offer gastric bypass. She said she was also looking into liposuction.

Mandy shows Patterson medical records from the evidence brief in the case.

Erin Patterson says she cancelled Melbourne clinic appointment regarding treatment for weight loss

The records show that Erin Patterson contacted the Enrich clinic twice in early 2023.

Mandy asks what she knew when she contacted the clinic then.

“I was under the understanding they offered treatments concerning weight loss and I believed that to be .... gastric bypass and liposuction,” Patterson says.

Asked what she meant by a pre-surgery appointment, Patterson said the 13 September 2023 appointment was meant to be her first face-to-face consultation so staff could understand her “needs.”

Patterson agrees she cancelled the appointment. The jury is shown a text message from the clinic on 11 September 2023 to confirm the appointment.

Patterson says she thinks she rung the clinic to cancel.

Colin Mandy SC then shows the jury a screenshot from the Enrich clinic website.

It says the “Dr Rich will not be offering liposuction as a treatment option” from July 2024.

Patterson says in July 2023 she understood the clinic offered liposuction and other weight loss procedures.

Mandy asks why she cancelled the appointment.

“It was a difficult time, yeah, it was a very difficult time,” Patterson says.

Patterson agrees she was mistaken the clinic offered gastric bypass surgery.

Erin Patterson’s barrister says Melbourne clinic did offer liposuction surgery at one stage​

None of this changes the fact that she lied about 'having bariatric surgery scheduled for September'----she had never even been there before.

So just because at one time they offered liposuction, that means little to nothing.

She was telling a huge lie to her in-laws and to Simon about her phoney cancer treatments, and then lied more in order to get some compassion and understanding, by claiming she had a bariatric surgery scheduled.

And when that was debunked she quickly changed her story again and claimed she meant liposuction.

And then we found out they don't do that in that clinic so she was lying about thAt too.

So just because they did do lipo's at one time it doesn't mean she was being truthful.

It was all still a big ugly lie by her to gain attention and sympathy and hide her true self.

 

[LinasK]

None of this changes the fact that she lied about 'having bariatric surgery scheduled for September'----she had never even been there before.

So just because at one time they offered liposuction, that means little to nothing.

She was telling a huge lie to her in-laws and to Simon about her phoney cancer treatments, and then lied more in order to get some compassion and understanding, by claiming she had a bariatric surgery scheduled.

And when that was debunked she quickly changed her story again and claimed she meant liposuction.

And then we found out they don't do that in that clinic so she was lying about thAt too.

So just because they did do lipo's at one time it doesn't mean she was being truthful.

It was all still a big ugly lie by her to gain attention and sympathy and hide her true self.

Yup! And even I as a layperson understand that gastric bypass surgery is nothing like liposuction. Completely different procedures. The only thing in common is weight-loss.

 

[katydid23]

Erin Patterson’s barrister turns to the beef wellingtons served at fateful lunch

Barrister Colin Mandy SC asks Patterson about cooking six individual beef wellingtons for her guests.

Crown prosecutor Nanette Rogers SC previously suggested that Patterson prepared an extra poisoned beef wellington in case her estranged husband, Simon, attended the lunch.

Patterson rejected this.

Pattersons says she had five twin packs of beef eye fillets and put two in the freezer.

She says she decided to use the six fillets and use each one for a beef wellington as she had the ingredients.

 

[LinasK]

You can't even have liposuction if you are obese. It's too dangerous. I think you have to be within 10kgs of your goal weight, if i'm not mistaken. IMO

You aren't. I looked into a consult for a procedure that freezes off excess fat. They told me that I didn't qualify.

 

[L_B]

Sooooooooooooo she admits there was EXTRA STEAKS.

 

[LinasK]

You aren't. I looked into a consult for a procedure that freezes off excess fat. They told me that I didn't qualify.

This is what I'm talking about and it's not as severe as liposuction:
Cryolipolysis, also known as fat freezing, is a non-invasive procedure that targets specific areas of fat through controlled cooling. This process induces apoptosis (cell death) in fat cells, which are then naturally eliminated by the body. The procedure is often used for stubborn fat in areas like the under chin, upper arms, thighs, abdomen, and flanks.



Here's a more detailed look at the process:

1. Targeted Cooling: A specialized device is used to apply controlled cooling to the targeted fat cells.
   

• Fat Cell Death: The cold temperature causes the fat cells to freeze and die.
  
  
• Natural Elimination: The body naturally processes and eliminates the dead fat cells over time.
  
  
• Results: The body's natural elimination of dead fat cells leads to a reduction in the size of the treated area.
  

Key features of Cryolipolysis:

• Non-invasive: No surgery or anesthesia is required.
  

• Targeted: Specifically designed to address localized fat deposits.
  
  
• Permanent: Once fat cells are eliminated, they do not regenerate.
  
  
• Safe: It is considered a low-risk procedure with minimal side effects.
  
  
• Multiple areas can be treated: A single session can treat multiple areas of the body.
  

What to expect during the procedure:

• Consultation: A consultation with a qualified provider is essential to determine if cryolipolysis is right for you and to plan the treatment area.
  

• Application: A device with cooling plates is applied to the targeted area.
  
  
• Cooling: The device applies controlled cooling, which can cause some numbness or discomfort.
  
  
• Massage: After the treatment, the area is massaged to help improve results.
  
  
• Results: Results are visible within weeks, with the most noticeable changes seen in a few months.
  

Important Considerations:

• Not a substitute for liposuction: It's not designed to remove large amounts of fat or provide the same level of sculpting as liposuction.
  

• Multiple treatments may be needed: To achieve the desired results, multiple treatments may be necessary.
  
  
• Potential side effects: While generally safe, potential side effects can include temporary redness, swelling, bruising, or numbness.
  
  
• Individual results vary: The amount of fat reduction can vary from person to person.
  
  
• Not suitable for everyone: It's important to have realistic expectations and understand if cryolipolysis is the right treatment for your needs.
  

 

[L_B]

None of this changes the fact that she lied about 'having bariatric surgery scheduled for September'----she had never even been there before.

So just because at one time they offered liposuction, that means little to nothing.

She was telling a huge lie to her in-laws and to Simon about her phoney cancer treatments, and then lied more in order to get some compassion and understanding, by claiming she had a bariatric surgery scheduled.

And when that was debunked she quickly changed her story again and claimed she meant liposuction.

And then we found out they don't do that in that clinic so she was lying about thAt too.

So just because they did do lipo's at one time it doesn't mean she was being truthful.

It was all still a big ugly lie by her to gain attention and sympathy and hide her true self.

I personally believe that they did offer it at the time of her appointment, but the whole story around cancer/bypasses/lipo is a whole bunch of BS.

 

[LinasK]

And there'd be no need for extensive childcare, which she manufactured as her explanation for why she lied about the cancer diagnosis.

It was Elbovarian/gastric bypass/Liposuction don'tcha know?

 

[katydid23]

I believe that they did offer it at the time of her appointment, but the whole story around cancer/bypasses/lipo is a whole bunch of BS.

Right, but she said she had an appointment for bariatric surgery all set up.

In reality, she never did anything but call and ask for a visit---but then called and cancelled. So all the BS about needing childcare while she received treatments for ovarian cancer still stand.

 

[lazymaiden07]

None of this changes the fact that she lied about 'having bariatric surgery scheduled for September'----she had never even been there before.

So just because at one time they offered liposuction, that means little to nothing.

She was telling a huge lie to her in-laws and to Simon about her phoney cancer treatments, and then lied more in order to get some compassion and understanding, by claiming she had a bariatric surgery scheduled.

And when that was debunked she quickly changed her story again and claimed she meant liposuction.

And then we found out they don't do that in that clinic so she was lying about thAt too.

So just because they did do lipo's at one time it doesn't mean she was being truthful.

It was all still a big ugly lie by her to gain attention and sympathy and hide her true self.

Exactlyyyyyy....the defence going through this again just emphasised her deception, if anything. She just admitted she had an appointment to determine what she might need, almost sounds like a very preliminary discussion.....nothing even close to a fully-fledged surgery or liposuction.