Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

Essentially yes. My theory is that she was putting in the DC to poison them and expecting mixed results. Some would get very sick, maybe even die and her 'gastro' would not be nearly as suspicious because maybe others would only get ill. This would be a situation she could then exploit for her own gain. Not only does she have cancer, but she is running around after all of these people.

One of the prosecution's arguments that really doesn't make sense is that she thought the cancer lie would never get out because they'd be dead. There was plenty of time for them to tell other people, especially Simon. It's not unlikely that they might have called him to tell him the news straight away.

As for the 10-30% thing, this is by far the most common number given. A quick chatgpt search summarises it like this:

The fatality rate for death cap mushrooms (Amanita phalloides) is estimated to be around 10% to 30% in untreated cases. However, with prompt and aggressive medical treatment, the fatality rate drops significantly to around 10% or lower.

In my theory, the powdering has vastly increased the dose to where it has happened more quickly and more deadly. This now makes her gastro look extremely unusual, and it also led to the identification of the DC which vastly scuppered her plans.

Do you really think that Erin thought she could cause the murder of 4/5 people and not think about the consequences? She's had months to prepare for the meal but she didn't think of the afterwards?

If convicted, she wouldn't be the first murderer so focused on the crime, that they don't plan the aftermath well.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

In regards to the question of whether Erin was an experienced forager, I'd ask you all what you think Simon may have ingested on the 3 occasions where he got very ill, between 2021 and 2022? The occasions police allege were attempts on his life, where he had a mystery gut illness. I'd suggest that maybe they were mushroom incidents too, just of a different kind.

Google has this to say:

"In Gippsland, the yellow-staining mushroom (Agaricus xanthodermus) is the most common cause of mushroom poisoning that results in sickness but not death. It can cause gastrointestinal issues like stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. This mushroom is often mistaken for edible mushrooms like cultivated mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) or field mushrooms (Agaricus campestris). "

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If these were the culprits, then perhaps she hadn't actually planned to kill him, just keep him sick and reliant on her? Financially, emotionally, physically? Or maybe she gave him minute amounts of death caps and he was one of the lucky ones that pulled through? Whether that was the intent or whether she failed at her mission, who knows? MOO

The following Wikipedia page says:
"Although it appears that some people can eat this mushroom without ill effects, it contains toxins which can cause serious gastrointestinal upset. It is indigestible and gives rise to symptoms of sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps."

Agaricus xanthodermus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[LinasK]

In regards to the question of whether Erin was an experienced forager, I'd ask you all what you think Simon may have ingested on the 3 occasions where he got very ill, between 2021 and 2022? The occasions police allege were attempts on his life, where he had a mystery gut illness. I'd suggest that maybe they were mushroom incidents too, just of a different kind.

Google has this to say:

"In Gippsland, the yellow-staining mushroom (Agaricus xanthodermus) is the most common cause of mushroom poisoning that results in sickness but not death. It can cause gastrointestinal issues like stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. This mushroom is often mistaken for edible mushrooms like cultivated mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) or field mushrooms (Agaricus campestris). "

Google Search

The following Wikipedia page says:
"Although it appears that some people can eat this mushroom without ill effects, it contains toxins which can cause serious gastrointestinal upset. It is indigestible and gives rise to symptoms of sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps."

Agaricus xanthodermus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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It wouldn't surprise me. I myself also like the taste of non-toxic mushrooms, but she is obsessed with them!

 

[dothetime]

I have ALWAYS wanted to do jury duty. When I got called up it was within 6 months of moving interstate. As I was no longer in the state, I had to decline. Never been called up again in the 12 years since!

Same here, only ever called up two times in the early weeks after giving birth to my second son who was very unwell for some months, so had to decline!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

If convicted, she wouldn't be the first murderer so focused on the crime, that they don't plan the aftermath well.

The prisons are full of killers who didn't put enough thought into covering their tracks, or the aftermath...

 

[HoneyBunOne]

4m ago05.31 BST


Erin Patterson didn’t think anyone had consumed death cap mushrooms when she left hospital

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers is questioning Patterson about her time at Leongatha hospital on 31 July 2023 - two days after the fateful beef wellington lunch.


Rogers says Patterson left Leongatha hospital because she knew she had not consumed death cap mushrooms.

“I didn’t think any of us had,” Patterson says.

Can someone please clarify this statement? Had the topic of death cap mushrooms been discussed with Erin and any member of staff at the hospital at the time she elected to leave? I'm assuming a medical professional had brought it to her attention that death cap poisoning may be responsible for the illness' the 4 were experiencing? If so, she knew she had eaten the same meal as the others, but just based on her digging in her heels and thinking the mushrooms were ok, she left? How does an innocent person do that, especially knowing they foraged the mushrooms and may have accidently picked death caps? I think I'd almost be the opposite, if there was any chance of having ingested toxins I'd take myself to hospital and ask to be tested, along with my kids who'd eaten leftovers-that-may-actually-have-been-from-the-lunch-maybe-not-maybe-from-the-freezer-who-knows?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

In regards to the question of whether Erin was an experienced forager, I'd ask you all what you think Simon may have ingested on the 3 occasions where he got very ill, between 2021 and 2022? The occasions police allege were attempts on his life, where he had a mystery gut illness. I'd suggest that maybe they were mushroom incidents too, just of a different kind.

Google has this to say:

"In Gippsland, the yellow-staining mushroom (Agaricus xanthodermus) is the most common cause of mushroom poisoning that results in sickness but not death. It can cause gastrointestinal issues like stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. This mushroom is often mistaken for edible mushrooms like cultivated mushrooms (Agaricus bisporus) or field mushrooms (Agaricus campestris). "

Google Search

The following Wikipedia page says:
"Although it appears that some people can eat this mushroom without ill effects, it contains toxins which can cause serious gastrointestinal upset. It is indigestible and gives rise to symptoms of sweating, flushing, and severe stomach cramps."

Agaricus xanthodermus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Now that species could actually be mistaken for an edible mushroom, as it's pink underneath.

Whatever was used (allegedly) previously on Simon, a progression occurred later on...

 

[Detechtive]

Can someone please clarify this statement? Had the topic of death cap mushrooms been discussed with Erin and any member of staff at the hospital at the time she elected to leave? I'm assuming a medical professional had brought it to her attention that death cap poisoning may be responsible for the illness' the 4 were experiencing? If so, she knew she had eaten the same meal as the others, but just based on her digging in her heels and thinking the mushrooms were ok, she left? How does an innocent person do that, especially knowing they foraged the mushrooms and may have accidently picked death caps? I think I'd almost be the opposite, if there was any chance of having ingested toxins I'd take myself to hospital and ask to be tested, along with my kids who'd eaten leftovers-that-may-actually-have-been-from-the-lunch-maybe-not-maybe-from-the-freezer-who-knows?

I believe she was told they were suspecting Death Cap poisoning but even if nobody did say that, you would be able to deduce that they suspected the mushrooms were the cause by their questions around them, IMO

 

[Detechtive]

It wouldn't surprise me. I myself also like the taste of non-toxic mushrooms, but she is obsessed with them!

I think she’s obsessed with natures poisons, not mushrooms.

She allegedly tried to poison Simon previously with night shades.

 

[Detechtive]

Erin is not a foodie. She’s the type to make her kids chicken nuggets and chips for dinner, and coco pops for breakfast.

Foraging for and eating exotic mushrooms for their flavours isn’t something I can imagine Erin doing. IMO

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I believe she was told they were suspecting Death Cap poisoning but even if nobody did say that, you would be able to deduce that they suspected the mushrooms were the cause by their questions around them, IMO

And regardless of whether there were mushrooms in the meal or not, all 4 of her guests were very ill in hospital not long after the only time they all shared a meal together, at her home. That should be enough for an innocent person to want to stay and be checked out, along with their kids who ingested virtually all the same foods too.
Make it make sense Erin.
MOO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I think she’s obsessed with natures poisons, not mushrooms.

She allegedly tried to poison Simon previously with night shades.

"Simon thought his earlier illness had stemmed from eating nightshade plants — an herb family which includes tomatoes, eggplants, potatoes and peppers, the source reportedly said. Unripened nightshade plants contain poisonous alkaloids which can be fatal."

Man whose parents were killed after lunch with his ex ‘suspects’ she had tried to poison him

Simon Patterson had previously suffered a mystery gut illness last spring after eating food his ex-wife served, and was in an induced coma for 16 days, a report said.

nypost.com

I wonder what made Simon think that he'd been poisoned by deadly nightshade plants?

 

[Detechtive]

"Simon thought his earlier illness had stemmed from eating nightshade plants — an herb family which includes tomatoes, eggplants, potatoes and peppers, the source reportedly said. Unripened nightshade plants contain poisonous alkaloids which can be fatal."

Man whose parents were killed after lunch with his ex ‘suspects’ she had tried to poison him

Simon Patterson had previously suffered a mystery gut illness last spring after eating food his ex-wife served, and was in an induced coma for 16 days, a report said.

nypost.com

I wonder what made Simon think that he'd been poisoned by deadly nightshade plants?

More like Belladonna, IMO

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I think she’s obsessed with natures poisons, not mushrooms.

She allegedly tried to poison Simon previously with night shades.

Can you elaborate on the nightshades being the source of Simon's ills? I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts here. Thanks.

 

[Corina]

"Simon thought his earlier illness had stemmed from eating nightshade plants — an herb family which includes tomatoes, eggplants, potatoes and peppers, the source reportedly said. Unripened nightshade plants contain poisonous alkaloids which can be fatal."

Man whose parents were killed after lunch with his ex ‘suspects’ she had tried to poison him

Simon Patterson had previously suffered a mystery gut illness last spring after eating food his ex-wife served, and was in an induced coma for 16 days, a report said.

nypost.com

I wonder what made Simon think that he'd been poisoned by deadly nightshade plants?

There are other plants in the Solanaceae family...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

More like Belladonna, IMO

It's actually the same plant, referred to by 2 different names.

I know that I've seen these growing somewhere in the past.

MELBOURNE WEEDS 3 - BLACK NIGHTSHADE

European black nightshade ( Solanum nigrum ) or locally just 'black nightshade', duscle, garden nightshade, garden huckleberry, hound's ber...

melbournedaily.blogspot.com

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Can you elaborate on the nightshades being the source of Simon's ills? I haven't been able to keep up with all the posts here. Thanks.

Never mind, I see Jess D posted above.

 

[Detechtive]

On 3 occasions when the family went camping, Simon got very unwell from the food Erin made.
IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

It's actually the same plant, referred to by 2 different names.

I know that I've seen these growing somewhere in the past.

MELBOURNE WEEDS 3 - BLACK NIGHTSHADE

European black nightshade ( Solanum nigrum ) or locally just 'black nightshade', duscle, garden nightshade, garden huckleberry, hound's ber...

melbournedaily.blogspot.com

"Deadly nightshade, also known as belladonna, is a highly poisonous plant that is found in various parts of the world, including Australia. While it's not native to Australia, it has naturalized in many areas, and it's important to be aware of its presence, especially in locations like Leongatha. All parts of the plant are toxic, but the berries, which are often attractive to children, pose the greatest risk."

 

[Detechtive]

"Deadly nightshade, also known as belladonna, is a highly poisonous plant that is found in various parts of the world, including Australia. While it's not native to Australia, it has naturalized in many areas, and it's important to be aware of its presence, especially in locations like Leongatha. All parts of the plant are toxic, but the berries, which are often attractive to children, pose the greatest risk."

Yes it also causes paralysis of the gut, collapse, and bowel perforation which is what Simon was hospitalised for in ICU. iMO