Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[srper2]

It appears to me that Erin had used death caps to poison before (at the least, Simon) and the cause of the illnesses/deaths had never been found. She must have been shocked when she learned that medical authorities had (finally, and far too late) diagnosed death cap poisoning, before the timeline for the poison no longer showing in blood tests had passed. The whole cancer lie was interesting, was there any medical confirmation that both her parents really did die of cancer? Everyone she lied to was intended to be dead.

 

[Walk A Mile]

It appears to me that Erin had used death caps to poison before (at the least, Simon) and the cause of the illnesses/deaths had never been found.

It is interesting that there's no indication that she owned a dehydrator before.

Does death cap season coincide with SP's previous illness?

 

[dothetime]

It appears to me that Erin had used death caps to poison before (at the least, Simon) and the cause of the illnesses/deaths had never been found. She must have been shocked when she learned that medical authorities had (finally, and far too late) diagnosed death cap poisoning, before the timeline for the poison no longer showing in blood tests had passed. The whole cancer lie was interesting, was there any medical confirmation that both her parents really did die of cancer? Everyone she lied to was intended to be dead.

I haven't seen anything about how EPs grandmother died ~ she inherited from her, too.

 

[JBowie]

Catching up, thank you to all posters!

If the prosecution completes their closing early tomorrow, the jury might start deliberating on Wednesday, is that correct? If so, we might have a decision before the weekend?

Not sure how long the defence plans to drag this on (they may play an equal time game), but the judge has signaled that his instructions will take some time, so maybe the jury will retire on Friday. In which case -- unless they reach a quick unanimous verdict -- they would spend the weekend sequestered.

 

[dothetime]

Regarding EP’s note taking. Does this normally happen?
Perhaps she is fearing a guilty verdict and is note taking in readiness for a possible appeal?
Wonder what the jury thinks of this?

I think it's her last attempt to still feel she is in control . . .

 

[Klclevi]

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Thankyou JBowie

Ok... so you are a seemedly good living person, member of the church and associated community but you can lie on the stand through your teeth to protect yourself?
Any decent and normal person would not be able to do that.
Even at best she would know she is not getting off scott free. I do not know how murder and manslaughter cross boundaries but surely she knows at least it has to be that? ( can they even do that at this point) . At the same time how is it different to Greg Lynn case I guess.

 

[Ellery84]

I think she tried to poison SP in the past
I think she would have done so if he had attended
i think she invited the other guests to coerce him to attend
I think when he refused to attend, she poisoned the others to punish him as they were his closest and most supportive family and he loved and respected them
I think if she were to be acquitted, I would be very concerned about her having access to their children, the most obvious way she has left of hurting SP is to hurt the kids
moo

I think you might be spot-on, Tilly. And for these very reasons: The prosecution can not fail. IMO.
They would have thrown everything they had at this case, including their best Human Resources available.

Let’s suppose for a moment Erin is guilty of murder: We can’t just have someone in Victoria out there killing innocent people.

The management of the accused in terms of safety to the children, the other relatives, members of the public is paramount. I remember Ian had CCTV installed at his house upon discharge. He’s at risk, and he has been I think, ever since the lunch.

We can’t have a poisoner in our community. Our lives, including the way we are socially constructed to dine with others, is at risk.

It must be a very nervous time for the family of the accused and for the Patterson’s. My heart goes out to them.

 

[Kemug]

It really doesn't get better than that.
Bless her heart.

What heart?

 

[Mirabel091]

RSBM
It doesn't really matter what colour the plates were, the point is that Erin's was different from the rest.

This is one of the things where there "could be" an innocent explanation in other circumstances. If I only have four good plates, but need to serve five meals, then I would give the four best plates to my guests. But in this case, it does stand out because we also know the "odd" plate was the only one that wasn't poisoned.

I am surprised that a supposed true crime fan couldn't find a single more plausible tale to tie up such loose ends but am persuaded by the argument that she didn't expect the DCs to be identified so quickly, or at all.

 

[Monstradamus]

And she cooked the meal Saturday morning...

She replied to him, I believe, leaving it open ended. Trying very hard to talk him into it. But he wasn't having any of it.

 

[Ellery84]

I think it's her last attempt to still feel she is in control . . .

She’s getting ready for her appeal. If she loses I think she’ll liquidate all assets and pour her fortune into legal assistance, instead of, say, funding university for the children.

Thats my prediction. à la Chris Dawson (although he ran out of dough and had to run his appeals on the public purse…)

My opinion only.

 

[Monstradamus]

The judge needs to give the jury instructions and that will take a while as well. So conservative estimate would be deliberations start maybe on the weekend and we get a verdict next week? Edited to add I'm actually not sure about the timeline, it all depends on how long it takes for prosecution, defence and judge instructions all up.

I think the Prosecution will finish tomorrow, the Defence will have Wednesday and Thursday. Justice Beale will give them all a long weekend again, and give his Instructions on Monday.
MOO

 

[Kemug]

The prosecutor said that when they looked at all the evidence combined, the jury could find Patterson was not suffering from a severe illness.

RSBM
In fact, she seems very healthy, especially for someone who has apparently paid very little attention to diet and exercise.

 

[Kemug]

When I was following a case nearer Melbourne, I mentioned my interest in Websleuths about that case to a detective, during an unrelated home invasion. He stated, we often check there!!!

I believe you may be referring to the CC/RH case. I think I heard that too. Plus there was a very interesting poster, who kept putting forward a pretty unbelievable theory. And had a suitable name.

 

[Scuffy35]

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These disturbing images haven't been brought up in the trial, and certainly should be investigated, not good for the kids, and in light of this case


With one chilling note reading: "You don't [have] long to live".

The former home of the woman who prepared the lunch in a suspected fatal mushroom poisoning that killed three people featured a creepy “death wall” with disturbing children’s drawings of tombstones and an ominous warning that “you don’t [have] long to live”.

A photo obtained exclusively by news.com.au from inside the Korumburra home previously owned by Erin Patterson shows a large section of one wall covered in red, blue and black graffiti.

“You don’t long to live 1 hour exactly,” one section reads.

“You're dead from my sword,” another says.

Underneath two stick figures of a male and female are the words “I am dead” and “no I am really dead”, above what appear to be three tombstones.

One of the tombstones appears to say “grandma R.I.P.” while the third reads “ME R.I.P.”

Next to the light switch is written “The Moulettt Man The Moulett Man”. Other random scrawls on the bizarre mural include “eternety”, “oh oh yeah” and “get ready”.

“We started calling it the death wall,” said the tradie who took the photo.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/death-wall-inside-mushroom-chefs-house/news-story/a879b2505a32b22dc16214201659dab4

I heard quite some time ago that someone had worked out it contained mostly references to "Lord of the Rings".

 

[Kemug]

Rogers says Patterson was “vague” on when she vomited and what she threw up.

RSBM
I would think that if she had just eaten 2/3 of an orange cake, it might have looked somewhat orange. But no, she didn't remember, or didn't look at it. Whatever.

 

[Lisa4]

And, "up the wahs" meaning?

Up the Wahs! Fill the chilly bin bro!

 

[Kemug]

I was thinking, the other day, that for all the good they have done in this world their horrific, painful deaths and near-death were extremely unjust.

And they were probably the only family anywhere who would have continued to keep being kind and good to their abominable daughter in law. Why couldn't she appreciate it? Or even just ignore them? But no, she had to kill them MOO

 

[Kemug]

Devastating!

Well no, the deaths of these 3 lovely people is what's devastating.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She replied to him, I believe, leaving it open ended. Trying very hard to talk him into it. But he wasn't having any of it.

Thank you.