Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #14 *Arrest*

[MrJ]

Mr Mandy tells the jury the prosecution has been "cherry picking" evidence that bolstered their case, while "discarding inconvenient truths" that challenged it.

Not at all unlike his client

 

[Megnut]

I thought 'up the wazoo' meant something different again.

Just depends where you keep your wazoo.

 

[LinasK]

Just occurred to me I don't know anyone who owns a dehydrator. Does anyone here own one?

My former FIL did. He used to dehydrate tomatoes and jerky and fruit.

 

[Megnut]

The 5th Deception

Brilliant closing argument. Brilliant closing to the closing argument.

 

[LinasK]

I’m just catching up, but the prosecution is knocking it out of the park. Love how she explained the phone situation.

For me, Erin's phone pinging where Death Caps grow seals the deal for me.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

'No reasonable alternative explanation' for tragic deaths​

Nearing the end of her closing address, Dr Rogers declared that there was “no reasonable alternative explanation” for what happened other than the accused deliberately sourcing death caps and deliberately including them in the meal “with an intention to kill”.
“Erin told so many lies that it’s hard to keep track of them,” she said.
“Lies upon lies … because she knew the truth would implicate her.”
At the start of her address, Dr Rogers told the jury the prosecution alleges the accused made “four calculated deceptions” before and after committing murder.
But she said there was one more, a fifth deception.
“The deception she has tried to play on you, the jury,” she declared.
Dr Rogers said when Erin realised her lies were unravelling, she manufactured a “carefully constructed narrative”.
“Almost,” she added.
“There are some inconsistencies that she just cannot account for.”
She said, when it came to the inconsistencies, Erin simply ignores them, says she cannot remember them or says people are wrong, including her own children.
Dr Rogers said the evidence shows:

She prepared and allocated the meal;
She was the only person who consumed the meal, but did not fall seriously ill;
She was familiar with the iNaturalist website;
Her phone was in the very two locations in Gippsland where death caps had been sighted and recorded in April and May 2023;
She was dehydrating mushrooms consistent with death caps and remnants of death caps were found in her dehydrator;
She concealed her actions, including by dumping her dehydrator and concealing her real phone; and
She told “many, many lies” about the true source of the mushrooms.
“When you consider all of the evidence, we suggest you will be satisfied … she deliberately sourced death caps, deliberately served death caps to Don, Gail, Ian and Heather … and did so intending to kill them,” she said.
Dr Rogers told the jurors the conclusion they should reach is that the accused is guilty of each of the four charges.
She thanked them, before taking her seat.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/the-mushroom-cook/erin-patterson-trial-live-closing-addresses-continue-in-mushroom-cook-case/live-coverage/2d6e483591ad308c611f94b4f9620a47#/entry/32263448

Nearing the end of her closing address, Dr Rogers declared that there was “no reasonable alternative explanation” for what happened other than the accused deliberately sourcing death caps and deliberately including them in the meal “with an intention to kill”.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

2m ago11.47 AEST
Rogers says what Patterson “outwardly” portrayed did not always align with her “true feelings”.

She says Simon gave evidence that when he told her his parents were in hospital the day after the lunch Patterson never asked about them.

If Patterson loved her in-laws she would have immediately asked about their welfare, Rogers says.

Erin Patterson mushroom trial day 33 – as it happened

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Patterson knew more about the welfare of Simon's parents than anyone at that stage because she was the only one who knew what they had been administered.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

You and my friend are the type of people I imagine its normal to have one. Erin is so far from that kind of person. She doesn't garden, she hardly goes outside, she plays lego, spends all of her day on the internet and facebook, she is "nerdy", not an outdoorsy type, she isn't a good cook, she doesn't forage or preserve foods, etc. It just doesn't make any sense, tbh!

I can see why people would use one if they had a farm, or grew fruit and vegetables. Erin didn't.

 

[Megnut]

So the Defense is running with fuzzy remembering. If people answer differently, it's because the question was different.

Oh, like how she denied having a dehydrator when asked about one, but said she threw one away because she panicked, thinking she might be blamed. Different answers because different questions? Not hardly. Different answers because... she's making them up as she goes.

JMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Mr Mandy tells the jury the prosecution has been "cherry picking" evidence that bolstered their case, while "discarding inconvenient truths" that challenged it.

Not at all unlike his client

And her defence...

 

[Megnut]

And her defence...

I see what you did there.

You drew a circle.

 

[Lisa4]

You and my friend are the type of people I imagine its normal to have one. Erin is so far from that kind of person. She doesn't garden, she hardly goes outside, she plays lego, spends all of her day on the internet and facebook, she is "nerdy", not an outdoorsy type, she isn't a good cook, she doesn't forage or preserve foods, etc. It just doesn't make any sense, tbh!

That's what i was thinking too. People who grow foods, have fruit trees etc, or do it for health reasons, those reasons make logical sense.

 

[ch_13]

You and my friend are the type of people I imagine its normal to have one. Erin is so far from that kind of person. She doesn't garden, she hardly goes outside, she plays lego, spends all of her day on the internet and facebook, she is "nerdy", not an outdoorsy type, she isn't a good cook, she doesn't forage or preserve foods, etc. It just doesn't make any sense, tbh!

Years and years ago, my friend got one. He made fruit leather, granola, beef jerky, etc.

It was a new toy, so he was trying out every recipe in the manual. He'd use it to help prepare dinner. Or he'd give gifts of dried fruit. Very much in contrast to Erin, who only used it for mushrooms and whose family members never knew she owned one.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Her defence should be quick. What have they got?

 

[iridized]

I can see why people would use one if they had a farm, or grew fruit and vegetables. Erin didn't.

One of my friends doesn't garden but uses it to make kale chips and zucchini chips as they are so expensive otherwise. She borrowed mine so often off and on for a year or so that she finally decided to purchase her own.

 

[kazbar]

1m ago
Dumping of dehydrator constitutes incriminating conduct, prosecutor says

By Joseph Dunstan

Dr Rogers tells the jury that if it were not for careful police scrutiny of Ms Patterson's bank records, it may never have been known the dehydrator existed.

"Erin Patterson certainly wasn't telling anyone about it," Dr Rogers says, recounting to the jury that the accused told police she did not own a dehydrator a week after the lunch.

She tells the jury it was incriminating conduct for Ms Patterson to "race out to the tip and dump [the dehydrator in a bid to] try to make it disappear".

Erin was technically correct to say a week after the lunch that she did not own a dehydrator as by that time she had disposed of it

 

[dothetime]

Mr Mandy said Patterson's daughter claimed she went to the toilet 'at least 10 times'.
'That’s not a vague recollection,' Mr Mandy said

What young girl would be hanging about counting her mother's toilet visits? My immediate instinct about this (back when it first came out in the hearing) was EP may have SAID to her daughter, 'oh dear, i've been to the toilet at least ten times this morning!'

 

[LinasK]

You can't have explosive diarrhea and still wear white pants

Or drink coffee...

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Her defence should be quick. What have they got?

Only time, and I suspect they will take up as much time as they can to enable the impact of Rogers' closing to start wearing off on the jury.

Too little too late I suspect. Can already hear the fat lady singing.

 

[Walk A Mile]

Honest mistakes occur in evidence, defence tells jury

Who among us hasn't mistakenly taken evidence to the tip, and mistakenly repeatedly factory reset a phone, and mistakenly repeatedly lied about having cancer, and mistakenly picked, dehydrated, powderised and cooked toxic mushrooms. Why, this could have happened to any of us. But for the grace etc etc.