Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #15 *Arrest*

[lazymaiden07]

We return to Erin Patterson's bowel movements

What a literal s*** show this is

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
'Contradictory argument' in prosecution's case, defence says

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy challenges the argument by the prosecution that Erin Patterson avoided medical treatment as she knew she was not ill.

In the trial, we heard that Erin did not want to be cannulated to be given fluids while in hospital.

The barrister calls this a "contradictory argument" that runs counter to what someone faking illness would do in that situation.

Mr Mandy theatrically raises his voice as he suggests the words of someone who was fabricating their illness.

"If you're pretending to be sick, you're going to be saying to the medical staff: 'hook me up, pump me full of drugs! I am very, very sick, please'," Mr Mandy shouts to the jury.

 

[LinasK]

Key Event
1m ago
Erin's reluctance to stay in hospital addressed by defence

By Judd Boaz

Erin Patterson's strong desire to leave hospital is addressed by Mr Mandy.

The defence submits to the jury that the only reasonable explanation is that Erin felt overwhelmed by the situation, believing she was only making a brief stop at hospital.

"An extremely intense five minute interaction where she was told that she would be admitted and transferred to another hospital in Melbourne," Ms Patterson.

"She was not refusing treatment, she was saying she had things to do.

"She was plainly struggling to process what she was being told."

Mr Mandy tells the jury that her desire to get her affairs at home in order and prepare her daughter for ballet was entirely reasonable.

Things to do meaning dumping the dehydrator, resetting phones, getting rid of evidence in general.

 

[MrJ]

3m ago
We take a break

By Judd Boaz

Justice Beale asks if that's an appropriate time for a break, and Mr Mandy says it is.

We'll return with more after the break.

 

[LinasK]

seriously?

Key Event
Just now
Mobile phone data evidence challenged by defence

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy draws the jury to mobile phone network data which showed that Erin Patterson's phone pinged briefly to the Outtrim base station during her time away from the hospital.

The prosecution argued in its closing that this was consistent with Erin travelling south-west of Leongatha.

The defence challenges this, saying the prosecution ignored alternative explanations by telecommunications expert Matthew Sorell.

Mr Mandy reads out a transcript from Dr Sorell who explained that a mobile phone appearing to ping on another base station could possibly be explained by someone moving from the front of a house to the back of a house.

"These records are consistent with her never leaving the house," Mr Mandy says.

"This is another example of the prosecution giving you a selective impression of the evidence."

Only if your house is 10 miles long...

 

[lazymaiden07]

Key Event
1m ago
'Contradictory argument' in prosecution's case, defence says

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy challenges the argument by the prosecution that Erin Patterson avoided medical treatment as she knew she was not ill.

In the trial, we heard that Erin did not want to be cannulated to be given fluids while in hospital.

The barrister calls this a "contradictory argument" that runs counter to what someone faking illness would do in that situation.

Mr Mandy theatrically raises his voice as he suggests the words of someone who was fabricating their illness.

"If you're pretending to be sick, you're going to be saying to the medical staff: 'hook me up, pump me full of drugs! I am very, very sick, please'," Mr Mandy shouts to the jury.

What?! Now we are deliberating on how a person 'faking' it might behave? After he told us earlier we cannot assume how a person would act in this situation?
This has to be the most absurd thing he has said so far, and that's saying something.

 

[LinasK]

Oh Mr Mandy On the journey, she stopped at a BP service station in Caldermeade, where Ms Patterson purchased sour confectionery, a ham, cheese and tomato sandwich and a sweet chilli chicken wrap after stepping into the bathroom for nine seconds..!!

Erin was more interested in feeding her gut and did a DELIBERATE stop to the toilet for 9 seconds, not enough time to pull her white pants down..!

Tomatoes and chili are as incompatible with diarhhea and vomiting as coffee is.

 

[MrJ]

Maybe he's playing 4D chess with his arguments, who knows, but I have seriously no idea where he's going with these. Just flinging whatever and hoping it sticks with at least one juror I guess

 

[Yh5r]

15:20

Surviving guest wrong about plates, jury hears​

Mr Mandy continued to address the jury about Patterson's plates, reminding them of evidence given throughout the trial including his client's son's friend who described white plates in the sink.
'Search warrant video showed two black plates, two white plates and some colourful plates,' Mr Mandy said.
Mr Mandy said there was no 'orangey-tan' plate as described by Mr Wilkinson.
Mr Mandy said Patterson's son's evidence the plates were white should be believed.

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How much more does Ian have to be put through, why discredit him once again. He was on his death bed and went through a lot of trauma losing his wife and relatives, how is he going to remember the exact colour of the plate (not many people would). What is critical is that 2 people said Erin's plate was a different colour (the exact colour is not that importangt IMO).

 

[Megnut]

Key Event
1m ago
'Contradictory argument' in prosecution's case, defence says

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy challenges the argument by the prosecution that Erin Patterson avoided medical treatment as she knew she was not ill.

In the trial, we heard that Erin did not want to be cannulated to be given fluids while in hospital.

The barrister calls this a "contradictory argument" that runs counter to what someone faking illness would do in that situation.

Mr Mandy theatrically raises his voice as he suggests the words of someone who was fabricating their illness.

"If you're pretending to be sick, you're going to be saying to the medical staff: 'hook me up, pump me full of drugs! I am very, very sick, please'," Mr Mandy shouts to the jury.

bbm

You mean like FENTANYL?

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The police should have had her under surveillance from the beginning. This, for some strange reason, did not happen.

They relied on CCTV

They knew she was a compulsive liar

The police have made some blunders in this case, including leaving her alone with her phone in a room.

The police should never have left her alone

Even for their safety. Sadly, this is not driven enough in police training, and why we have sadly police being ambushed and killed while attending properties, even for welfare checks

The records indicated the phone was in regular use up until sometime between 12:01pm and 1:45pm, when the SIM card in Phone A lost connection with the network.

At that time, police were conducting a search of Ms Patterson's Leongatha home.

Dr Rogers put to Ms Patterson that she removed the SIM card from Phone A when she was "afforded privacy to speak with a lawyer while police were at your home".

And with police leaving her phone B ( that police had taken ) still connected to the internet

Phone A is still missing

 

[Walk A Mile]

I’ve been thinking about the Pistorius trial - which is how I came to this site in the first place - and how Pistorius worked so hard to try to show remorse.

Erin, in contrast, during her testimony wasn’t, was she? Oppositional answers, pedantic word games, huffing and puffing while being cross-examined.

I’m perplexed by this. Nobody likes a smart-alec. I’m wary of saying that defendants need to be likeable, and appreciate how demeaning that may come across, especially for women. But - I wonder why she isn’t trying to present herself to the jury as warmer and more caring?

I agree. IMO she's not portraying a woman crushed by the knowledge that her innocent mistake cost the lives of three people she loved dearly. She has prioritized self-preservation above all else. No remorse.

 

[Woolly]

This just seems like bad faith

1m ago
Drive to Tyabb on Sunday addressed

By Judd Boaz

The defence questions the prosecution's arguments around Erin Patterson driving to a flying lesson in Tyabb on the Sunday after the lunch.

Mr Mandy argues that someone pretending to be ill would not have gone through the ordeal a long journey.

"Why would she go on this journey to Tyabb?" Mr Mandy says.

Are all of his arguments going to be that she can’t be guilty because a truly guilty person would have faked it so much better?

Instead of asking why someone who is faking illness would take this trip, the jury should ask themselves why someone who is truly as ill as Erin claimed to be would take the trip…

In his police interview, Erin's son told investigators he had no recollection of his mother stopping to go to the toilet in the bushes.

Mr Mandy counters that her son also did not mention a documented stop at the Caldermeade BP.

"He didn't recall either of them," Mr Mandy says.

Let’s see, one is a routine servo stop. Totally forgettable and understandable that the son didn’t recall it.

The other is your mum stopping to have explosive diarrhea on the side of the road and then carrying poo tissues in a bag in the car.

Does he really think these two are equivalent?

 

[LinasK]

Things to do meaning dumping the dehydrator, resetting phones, getting rid of evidence in general.

Also, I've had a daughter in ballet class. I guarantee you that it doesn't take 11/2 hours to put or make sure that the ballet slippers, tights, and any other changes of clothes are in the dance bag.

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
Closing address yet to resume

By Melissa Brown

The jury is yet to be brought back in.

Stick with us and we'll bring you more when Mr Mandy resumes his summary.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Are all of his arguments going to be that she can’t be guilty because a truly guilty person would have faked it so much better?

Instead of asking why someone who is faking illness would take this trip, the jury should ask themselves why someone who is truly as ill as Erin claimed to be would take the trip…



Let’s see, one is a routine servo stop. Totally forgettable and understandable that the son didn’t recall it.

The other is your mum stopping to have explosive diarrhea on the side of the road and then carrying poo tissues in a bag in the car.

Does he really think these two are equivalent?

And kids would always remember a parent rushing to the bushes for explosive turds !!!

 

[Megnut]

Are all of his arguments going to be that she can’t be guilty because a truly guilty person would have faked it so much better?

Instead of asking why someone who is faking illness would take this trip, the jury should ask themselves why someone who is truly as ill as Erin claimed to be would take the trip…



Let’s see, one is a routine servo stop. Totally forgettable and understandable that the son didn’t recall it.

The other is your mum stopping to have explosive diarrhea on the side of the road and then carrying poo tissues in a bag in the car.

Does he really think these two are equivalent?

If he doesn't know the difference, I'm not shaking his hand.

JMO

 

[MrJ]

ffs

Key Event
Just now
Defence addresses children's lack of illness
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By Judd Boaz

The defence moves to the topic of Erin's children allegedly eating the leftovers from the lunch, but not falling ill.

Mr Mandy posits a question to the jury.

"Would the children have become ill from eating the meat with the mushrooms scraped off?" he asks.

Mr Mandy says that question can only be answered by expert evidence, which was not provided.

He says the jury thus cannot rule out other possibilities, such as the amatoxins not being absorbed by the meat.

The barrister concedes that some samples of the meat did turn up positive for the presence of amatoxins, but tells the jury that some samples of the meat also came back negative, implying an uneven distribution of the toxin.

Mr Mandy claims the prosecution's argument is "speculation" and not based on the evidence.

 

[Gavel Rash]

Me thinks Mandy is merely the mouthpiece puppet of his charge. Making the story up to suit.

 

[MrJ]

I find this maddening in comparison to her lunch guests...

Key Event
1m ago
Defence says Erin Patterson was truly sick

By Judd Boaz

Mr Mandy reiterates that his client was in fact sick after the lunch, and attended hospital as her symptoms had not subsided.

"She was not as sick as the other lunch guests, nor did she represent that she was," he says.

He challenges the prosecution's argument that Ms Patterson's elevated vital signs were due to stress.

Mr Mandy says expert evidence told the court that diarrhoea is also a form of physical stress, with the evidence supporting Ms Patterson's claims of illness