VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Cliff Hardy]

The issue is a lot of evidence comes only from EP. So the jury will have to consider that when they weigh things up.

...and in considering 'evidence' that is solely reliant on Erin's account, factor in that she has demonstrated herself to be a compulsive liar. Her own defence and the judge have even come to that conclusion.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

From my American perspective, 365 pages of jury instructions is ridiculous. That's the size of a hefty novel.

So much for letting the evidence speak for itself.

 

[Yh5r]

Any guesses how long deliberations will take? I'm suspecting that they will press the buzzer before the weekend.

 

[MrJ]

2m ago
Reserve jurors to be balloted off
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By Mikaela Ortolan

Justice Beale explains that two members of the jury panel will be balloted off so that the total number of jurors deciding the verdict will be 12.

He thanks panel members for their time during this lengthy trial.

"I don't know whether you'll feel relieved or frustrated, but be assured you have made an important contribution to the administration of justice by your presence on this jury," the judg says.

"I think the community would be very grateful too."

The judge reminds the panel that the members balloted off should not discuss any of the trial or anything that happened in the jury room during the trial with anyone, even though they are no longer part of the decision.

He says all jurors involved will be given a dispensation for the next 15 years, which means they won't be called for jury duty during that period.

The jurors return to the jury room for a brief moment while Justice Beale has one final discussion with the prosecution and defence.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

www.abc.net.au

 

[LinasK]

...and in considering 'evidence' that is solely reliant on Erin's account, factor in that she has demonstrated herself to be a compulsive liar. Her own defence and the judge have even come to that conclusion.

Agreed. Taking the statements of a known liar as "evidence" is rubbish in my account. I still believe Ian's account that Erin did the plating and refused help from Gail and Heather.

 

[MrJ]

2m ago
Two people balloted off
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By Mikaela Ortolan

The jury panel members have returned and the ballot has begun.

Juror number 105 is called out first and officially balloted off.

The second number to be called out is juror number 106.

The numbers were picked out of a box at random before the two reserve jurors were walked out of the courtroom.

2m ago
Jurors asked to take an oath or affirmation
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By Mikaela Ortolan

Justice Beale then gets the remaining jurors to take a separation oath or affirmation.

He says in the unlikely event the jurors are separated, this means they agree to not discuss with any person other than a member of the jury any matter relating to the trial or deliberations.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

www.abc.net.au

 

[LinasK]

2m ago
Reserve jurors to be balloted off
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By Mikaela Ortolan

Justice Beale explains that two members of the jury panel will be balloted off so that the total number of jurors deciding the verdict will be 12.

He thanks panel members for their time during this lengthy trial.

"I don't know whether you'll feel relieved or frustrated, but be assured you have made an important contribution to the administration of justice by your presence on this jury," the judg says.

"I think the community would be very grateful too."

The judge reminds the panel that the members balloted off should not discuss any of the trial or anything that happened in the jury room during the trial with anyone, even though they are no longer part of the decision.

He says all jurors involved will be given a dispensation for the next 15 years, which means they won't be called for jury duty during that period.

The jurors return to the jury room for a brief moment while Justice Beale has one final discussion with the prosecution and defence.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

www.abc.net.au

Well, I guess that's one advantage of having to go through this trial as a juror- they won't be called again for 15 years.

 

[MrJ]

Key Event
1m ago
Jury deliberations begin
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By Mikaela Ortolan

Justice Beale gives some final directions to the jury.

"We'll bring you back into court if you haven't reached a verdict close to 4:15pm and you'll complete your work for the day," he says.

They've also been provided an index of Justice Beale's directions.

"A reminder that whatever verdict you reach in relation to any of these offences, it must be a unanimous verdict," Justice Beale says.

After nine weeks of hearings, he then sends the jury out to begin its deliberations.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

www.abc.net.au

VERDICT WATCH!!!!!

 

[MrJ]

So it looks like there's no mention of manslaughter unless I've missed something. Just guilty or not guilty of 3 counts of murder and 1 count of attempted murder

 

[Scooby-Doo]

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[TootsieFootsie]

Her guests selected their own plates from the tray while she was making gravy and then she took the plate that was left.

 

[LinasK]

Her guests selected their own plates from the tray while she was making gravy and then she took the plate that was left.

Which is why I think she had placed the orange plate on the bottom. Ian testified that she did the plating of the food, and refused offers of help from Gail and Heather.

 

[potr]

she could know which was the non poisoned pastie (i am calling it that because she did not make bw) by many other means than just marking the pastry - which beale asserted was the ONLY way!!!! (see its lil ole statements - single words like that that make my blood boil)
• she could place that pastry in a certain position and remember it
• she could have placed the non poisonous pastie in a different orientation to the others on the baking tray
• she could have marked the actual baking tray
• she could have used a separate baking tray
• she could have marked the pastry - but in such a way that it was not obvious - due to the "handmade nature of the pasties
i am sure there are many others.

there are many of these teeny statements that beale makes - where just one word or the order of the words - makes it seem like its a definite or like its an actual fact or like it is an order from him - the person of authority. i could go through them one by one but frankly, i dont have the energy. It is just depressing..the whole dang thing

 

[LinasK]

she could know which was the non poisoned pastie (i am calling it that because she did not make bw) by many other means than just marking the pastry - which beale asserted was the ONLY way!!!! (see its lil ole statements - single words like that that make my blood boil)
• she could place that pastry in a certain position and remember it
• she could have placed the non poisonous pastie in a different orientation to the others on the baking tray
• she could have marked the actual baking tray
• she could have used a separate baking tray
• she could have marked the pastry - but in such a way that it was not obvious - due to the "handmade nature of the pasties
i am sure there are many others.

there are many of these teeny statements that beale makes - where just one word or the order of the words - makes it seem like its a definite or like its an actual fact or like it is an order from him - the person of authority. i could go through them one by one but frankly, i dont have the energy. It is just depressing..the whole dang thing

I agree. I see bias where there shouldn't be.

 

[MrJ]

1m ago
How long will deliberation take?
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By Mikaela Ortolan

The jury will deliberate every Monday to Saturday from 10:30am until 4:15pm until a verdict is reached.

They can return to the courtroom with any questions they may have during that process.

No-one knows how long it will take any jury to reach a verdict.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Scuffy35]

Her guests selected their own plates from the tray while she was making gravy and then she took the plate that was left.

Could you point to any testimony that stated her plate was also on the tray and at the same time as the others please?

 

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Key Event
2m ago
Did Erin Patterson allocate her own plate?
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By Melissa Brown

Justice Beale says it was Ian Wilkinson's evidence that Heather Wilkinson and Gail Patterson each took two plates to the table and that Erin took her own.

Mr Wilkinson agreed there was no direction on who should take which plate, and that Erin finished the gravy while the others took their plates, the judge says.

He says Erin agreed with that evidence.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

www.abc.net.au

It would be very interesting to know what the positioning of the plates was...

 

[MrJ]

let's just say I wouldn't want to be one of those jurors, on such a high profile case as this one too. no matter how one feels about the accused, I think that it'd be quite a bit of stress on having someone's future being decided by you and eleven other peers

 

[Scooby-Doo]

How long will deliberation take?​

The jury will deliberate every Monday to Saturday from 10:30am until 4:15pm until a verdict is reached.

They can return to the courtroom with any questions they may have during that process.

No-one knows how long it will take any jury to reach a verdict.

What happens next?​

The jury has been sent out to decide whether Erin Patterson is guilty or not guilty of the murders of Don and Gail Patterson and Heather Wilkinson, and the attempted murder of Heather's husband Ian.

Here's everything you need to know about what happens next, and what the jury needs to consider when deciding its verdict.

Twelve Victorians will decide Erin Patterson's fate. Here's what we know

After more than two months of witness testimony, evidence and arguments, 12 people will decide the fate of accused murderer Erin Patterson.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I wonder how Poor Mr Wilkinson and Simon are feeling after all this time?

The nerves would be setting in