VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Cedars]

there are many of these teeny statements that beale makes - where just one word or the order of the words - makes it seem like its a definite or like its an actual fact or like it is an order from him - the person of authority. i could go through them one by one but frankly, i dont have the energy. It is just depressing..the whole dang thing

I disagree strongly.

Beale is taking each area of disputed evidence and comparing the essence of prosecution evidence, vs the essence of the defence rebuttal.

"He says the defence argued that the individual portions were all cooked on one baking tray and that the only way to control who was served the poisonous meal was to mark the pastry itself.".

Notice: He says the defence said...

The judge is not saying the defense is true or correct, he is just summarizing what they said. The jury must decide for themselves whether they accept the prosecution evidence, or not.

Especially the point about being cooked on one tray - the jury knows that's just what they say. The defense offered no proof.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Please let there be justice for Gail and Don Patterson, and for Heather Wilkinson who all cruelly died in August 2023, as a result of eating Death Cap mushrooms, prepared and served to them by Erin Patterson.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The jury have now been sent out to deliberate what has been a marathon of a trial.

We don't know how long deliberations will take but our blog coverage on Erin Patterson's triple murder trial will continue when the jury reach its verdict.

Jury begins deliberations in Erin Patterson triple-murder trial — as it happened

The jury in Erin Patterson's triple murder trial has begun its deliberations. Follow proceedings as they happened.

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[Scooby-Doo]

Erin Patterson trial: Jurors sent out to deliberate verdict in mushroom murder case​

Two jurors in the triple-murder trial of Erin Patterson have been balloted off as the remaining jurors are sent out to deliberate.

Jurors in the triple-murder trial of Erin Patterson have been sent out to begin their deliberations on a verdict.
The direction, from Justice Christopher Beale, occurred at 1.02pm on Monday just minutes after two jurors were balloted off.

The 14-member panel returned to court following a short break to say their goodbyes to the fellow jurors they’d come to know over the past 10 weeks.

“A very warm thank you to those two people balloted off,” Justice Christopher Beale said ahead of the ballot.

“I don’t know if you’ll feel relieved or frustrated, but rest assured you’ve made a very important contribution to the administration of justice.”

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https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/erin-patterson-trial-jurors-expected-to-be-sent-out-to-deliberate-verdict-in-mushroom-murder-case/news-story/aa7f3775881a7693be4ac3fe2d728caa

 

[Deleted member 363451]

"Ms Patterson told the court she had developed an interest in wild mushrooms in early 2020 when she and her children would go for walks at the Korumburra Botanic Gardens and surrounding areas during lockdown.

"The first time I noticed them I remember because the dog was eating some and I picked all the mushrooms that I could see because I wanted to try to figure out what they were to see if that might be a problem for him," she said.

The 50-year-old said she eventually became confident in her ability to identify different species of wild mushrooms.

"It was a process over several months in the lead-up to it, but when I got to a point where I was confident about what I thought they were … I cut a bit off one of the mushrooms, fried it up with some butter, ate it, and then saw what happened," she said."

Erin Patterson tells jury she accepts death cap mushrooms were in meal

Erin Patterson tells her triple-murder trial she first began foraging wild mushrooms during Victoria's COVID lockdowns, years before hosting her in-laws for a fatal meal.

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[Deleted member 363451]

"Ms Patterson told the court she had developed an interest in wild mushrooms in early 2020 when she and her children would go for walks at the Korumburra Botanic Gardens and surrounding areas during lockdown.

"The first time I noticed them I remember because the dog was eating some and I picked all the mushrooms that I could see because I wanted to try to figure out what they were to see if that might be a problem for him," she said.

The 50-year-old said she eventually became confident in her ability to identify different species of wild mushrooms.

"It was a process over several months in the lead-up to it, but when I got to a point where I was confident about what I thought they were … I cut a bit off one of the mushrooms, fried it up with some butter, ate it, and then saw what happened," she said."

Erin Patterson tells jury she accepts death cap mushrooms were in meal

Erin Patterson tells her triple-murder trial she first began foraging wild mushrooms during Victoria's COVID lockdowns, years before hosting her in-laws for a fatal meal.

www.abc.net.au

Erin contradicts herself, as she said that she was confident in her ability to identify different species of wild mushrooms and yet she'd have us believe that she didn't recognise Death Caps. Keeping in mind this is after she did an internet search of them and visited the iNaturalist website which showed the photos and locations of them.

She also picked all of the mushrooms on her Leongatha property, as she was frightened the dog might eat something poisonous, yet she supposedly picked Death Caps without checking what they were and served them up to her lunch guests...

Yes and the earth is flat.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Several posts have been removed. Sub judice is still in effect here folks !!

 

[jesse]

So the only evidence of beef Wellington’s being cooked on same tray is from Erin herself? There is no evidence of that. And even if they had been presented that way the toxin itself was enclosed by pastry.
I wonder if Erin could have heated hers separately, ie not been on tray but elsewhere and the one on the tray been Simons portion, serving here to her own plate with the gravy unbeknown to other lunch guests after she had served the others?

And how do we know it WASN'T marked in some way??

 

[LinasK]

Erin contradicts herself, as she said that she was confident in her ability to identify different species of wild mushrooms and yet she'd have us believe that she didn't recognise Death Caps. Keeping in mind this is after she did an internet search of them and visited the iNaturalist website which showed the photos and locations of them.

She also picked all of the mushrooms on her Leongatha property, as she was frightened the dog might eat something poisonous, yet she supposedly picked Death Caps without checking what they were and served them up to her lunch guests...

Yes and the earth is flat.

And supposedly also had books on mushrooms we heard somewhere...

 

[Detechtive]

Now that the jury is deliberating I can reveal that I was a prosecution witness, but was excused due to medical reasons.

I wasn’t a very important witness but some of the things I know about Erin from behind the scenes wouldn’t have been flattering.

I await the verdict with bated breath. May justice be served.

 

[hellsbells7]

It would be very interesting to know what the positioning of the plates was...

Yes, I've thought about this too... when I plate up dinner for my husband and kids, I put theirs out first and then I'm usually finishing putting food on my own plate while they start to take theirs to the table.... was it ever started that all the plates were on the tray?

 

[Marg944]

The title for this thread has just changed……to VERDICT WATCH. Hopefully the title will not be that for too long!! We are all glued to the news to hear a result!

 

[Detechtive]

The title for this thread has just changed……to VERDICT WATCH. We are all glued to the news to hear a result!


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I’m so anxious I can’t focus

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I don’t think she was a mushroom forager, only a death cap forager, imo.

Simon would have known if she had have been and he told the woman from Monash Hospital that he had no knowledge of Erin foraging mushrooms.

 

[Procrastinator]

Yes, I've thought about this too... when I plate up dinner for my husband and kids, I put theirs out first and then I'm usually finishing putting food on my own plate while they start to take theirs to the table.... was it ever started that all the plates were on the tray?

Maybe the tray is what the BWs were cooked on? The plated BW meals were placed on the kitchen bench? It would have to be a big tray for five plates imo.

 

[Jake18]

I’m so anxious I can’t focus

It won’t be today

 

[Deleted member 363451]

It won’t be today

No, I agree. Maybe tomorrow or Wednesday.

 

[hellsbells7]

Maybe the tray is what the BWs were cooked on? The plated BW meals were placed on the kitchen bench? It would have to be a big tray for five plates imo.

Ah yes, that's where I'm getting the 'tray'' from... still, I wouldn't think 6 individual steaks would fit on the one tray.... I'm thinking 4 to 5 would go on one tray and the final one on another. Just MOO though

 

[Detechtive]

Ah yes, that's where I'm getting the 'tray'' from... still, I wouldn't think 6 individual steaks would fit on the one tray.... I'm thinking 4 to 5 would go on one tray and the final one on another. Just MOO though

She has a wide double oven.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

It would have a been a "lovely mushroom gravy".

Why do you think she only had rubbish packet gravy for such a well-prepared meal?

The story afterwards would have been, "they all had the mushroom gravy, but I had the packet stuff as there wasn't quite enough".

I think something like this too, 100%

With her saying she didn't have the particular food item. They all had fruit salad but I didn't.

One of two things. She never imagined or planned for that SP would quickly get everyone to hospital and also suspect her for poisoning and tell relevant authorities -or- perhaps she thought the decline of everyone's health would be slower over time.