VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[Detechtive]

I saw a comment on another forum which seems so simple, but yet, it is quite profound in drilling down into whether this was intentional. "Why didn't she make roast chicken?".

 

[Detechtive]

New ABC series about Erin.

"Mushroom lady" Erin Patterson the focus of new ABC TV drama 'Toxic' - Mediaweek

Who will star in Toxic, the ABC drama TV show focused on the events leading to the murder trial of Erin Patterson?

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[katydid23]

Which were the lies that she may have told in her testimony could be proven to be lies though?

but isn't it also perjury to lie to homicide detectives and public health officials investigating poisonous substances and maybe even CPS ?

 

[tmar]

Here's hoping. For the families to be able to move on, whichever way it goes.

I am worried.
Thought a result within 48 hours.
If, 'not guilty, Ep's life is ruined, anyway: doubtful reputation'. YIPPEE.
If guilty, YIPPEE, for family and other victims, knowing she is locked up.
If a retrial, EP will create more lies, and create some type of questionable evidence.
So worried.
Hope EP's money has dwindled, BUT I heard this may be a 'pro bono' case.
Hope not.

BUT, we don't know, if EP is guilty or not.
MOO.

 

[Ellery84]

Just deleted as I dont know if it's sub judice to discuss the questions in detail like that?

I think it’s always a good idea to be cautious when sub judice is in place.

 

[Ellery84]

but isn't it also perjury to lie to homicide detectives and public health officials investigating poisonous substances and maybe even CPS ?

It’s certainly not a great idea. Is it.

 

[katydid23]

I saw a comment on another forum which seems so simple, but yet, it is quite profound in drilling down into whether this was intentional. "Why didn't she make roast chicken?".

Her making six individually crafted Beef Wellington's is also quite suspicious. It's much easier and more traditional to serve one large BW.

Why do the more complicated time consuming option? The obvious possible reason is that it prevents her and the kids from being accidentally poisoned.

 

[katydid23]

I am worried.
Thought a result within 48 hours.
If, 'not guilty, Ep's life is ruined, anyway: doubtful reputation'. YIPPEE.
If guilty, YIPPEE, for family and other victims, knowing she is locked up.
If a retrial, EP will create more lies, and create some type of questionable evidence.
So worried.
Hope EP's money has dwindled, BUT I heard this may be a 'pro bono' case.
Hope not.

I didn't think it was going to be done within 2 days. There are so many detailed instructions they have to work through.

But if we hear nothing this afternoon, I will begin to worry.

 

[tmar]

Regardless of the outcome of this trial, I wonder if the judge will deal with the lies as perjury? In Victoria the maximum penalty is 15 years.

What is perjury in Australia? - Lexology What is perjury in Australia?

That would be terrific.

 

[Detechtive]

Her making six individually crafted Beef Wellington's is also quite suspicious. It's much easier and more traditional to serve one large BW.

Why do the more complicated time consuming option? The obvious possible reason is that it prevents her and the kids from being accidentally poisoned.

It's the only real recipe I can think of where you can hide mushrooms with an ammonia smell. Unless it was chicken and mushroom pies, or something. IMO

 

[Two SCents]

I believe that is the very first question they have to answer before they can move on to the next:




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I don't see how they can get past 1. Yes she killed them, deliberately and intentionally.... not proven beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[katydid23]

It's the only real recipe I can think of where you can hide mushrooms with an ammonia smell. Unless it was chicken and mushroom pies, or something. IMO

I'm glad she is not as smart as she thinks she is. If she had powdered the death caps, and added them to a spicy curry dish, with no mushrooms---or a Pad Thai Peanut/ coconut dish, with no mushrooms------no one would have suspected death caps, imo.

They would have looked at the meat and the bean sprouts etc. She could have shrugged her shoulders and walked away.

 

[katydid23]

I don't see how they can get past 1. Yes she killed them, deliberately and intentionally.... not proven beyond reasonable doubt.

I guess it depends upon one's definition of 'Reasonable Doubt'. By mine, it clears the bar for Guilt.

 

[Lisa4]

I am not thinking a long delay is necessarily going to be a NG outcome. Just that they are being thorough.

At one time, I did think there was a chance of a quick verdict, but when I thought about the sheer length of time and volume of material this trial has involved, I realised that was unlikely.

This is a high publicity trial so that also could add to the level of in-depth thoroughness they wish to achieve?

Personally, I would have to be triplely certain I was 100% settled and satisfied at every point that I had no reasonable doubts left.

Are they allowed to take material to their rooms and keep working on it alone in-between times?

 

[Lisa4]

I'm glad she is not as smart as she thinks she is. If she had powdered the death caps, and added them to a spicy curry dish, with no mushrooms---or a Pad Thai Peanut/ coconut dish, with no mushrooms------no one would have suspected death caps, imo.

They would have looked at the meat and the bean sprouts etc. She could have shrugged her shoulders and walked away.

Wait for it. I've refrained from saying that out loud!

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I saw a comment on another forum which seems so simple, but yet, it is quite profound in drilling down into whether this was intentional. "Why didn't she make roast chicken?".

Especially if she was dying of cancer...

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I am not thinking a long delay is necessarily going to be a NG outcome. Just that they are being thorough.

At one time, I did think there was a chance of a quick verdict, but when I thought about the sheer length of time and volume of material this trial has involved, I realised that was unlikely.

This is a high publicity trial so that also could add to the level of in-depth thoroughness they wish to achieve?

Personally, I would have to be triplely certain I was 100% settled and satisfied at every point that I had no reasonable doubts left.

Are they allowed to take material to their rooms and keep working on it alone in-between times?

Imagine being called up for jury duty for the very first time and being landed with this case?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

There's also her tossing out the dehydrator, her lying to the medical authorities about using DC's at all and foraging. Lack of concern about the hospitalized relatives or attempting to visit them. Carrying on like a normal weekend driving son to extracurricular activities, while wearing light colored pants.... These aren't the actions of an innocent person.

Also, she lied (allegedly) about ingesting the same meal as the others, she apparently started getting sick long before the others and yet had no real symptoms and is still here to tell the story...

 

[Detechtive]

I'm glad she is not as smart as she thinks she is. If she had powdered the death caps, and added them to a spicy curry dish, with no mushrooms---or a Pad Thai Peanut/ coconut dish, with no mushrooms------no one would have suspected death caps, imo.

They would have looked at the meat and the bean sprouts etc. She could have shrugged her shoulders and walked away.

I've thought about that, but I don't think it would have been possible to hide such a concentrated mushroom taste in something that doesn't contain mushrooms. Unless it was Beef Stroganoff? But even then, it would have made the individual portions harder to control, which is why she went this way IMO.

 

[Lisa4]

I guess it depends upon one's definition of 'Reasonable Doubt'. By mine, it clears the bar for Guilt.

Beyond reasonable doubt - like waiting for your luggage at the airport carousel. It has your green and white striped tag, same scratches and dents and that annoying stuck handle. You havent opened it to check the contents but its beyond reasonable doubt that its yours.

Or a jigsaw puzzle. You know beyond reasonable doubt what it is depicting well before every last piece is in.