VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

Exaggerating your symptoms is not the same as lying about your symptoms.

As far as this case is concerned it has not been proved that she wasn't poisoned. There was a study included in the trial that conceded that some people can only have gastro-like symptoms in response to ingesting DC mushrooms, depending on age, weight and tolerance to the toxins.

Link please to that study??? It was never brought up by the defense.

 

[Monstradamus]

Yet how many murderers/criminals do you know who are honest? There's good reason for her to lie- to not get caught.

^^^ this!
Lying to conceal the truth. Nobody lies that much if it's accidental, surely?
MOO

 

[Scooby-Doo]

The judge in Erin Patterson's murder trial has warned jurors not to reason that she is guilty just because they think she has lied.

But if you were innocent, why would you need to lie?

In Erin Patterson's case, she has continuously lied

There's an incredibly high likelihood that plenty of evidence was wiped from her phone that was done multiple times on a phone that even includes one additional time remotely while it was in police custody, which

If I were on the jury, it would be significant enough to remove reasonable doubt.

 

[ch_13]

Exaggerating your symptoms is not the same as lying about your symptoms.

Snipped.

Whether it's a school kid trying to avoid their math test, or an adult trying to prove to a doctor that she was poisoned, an exaggeration becomes a lie when the purpose is to deceive.

 

[Lisa4]

But if you were innocent, why would you need to lie?

I am not sure but I think some believe the shame and guilt of inadvertently sickening people from your cooking would be enough reason to lie.

But that theory doesn't add up with the below does it. What would the inadvertent-tragic accident-did-it-by-mistake cook need so desperately to hide?

There's an incredibly high likelihood that plenty of evidence was wiped from her phone that was done multiple times on a phone that even includes one additional time remotely while it was in police custody,

 

[Kemug]

Good question! I know that ATC, the main priority is attention to detail. Ditto proof reading and editing. So... maybe quality control checking the stitching on mail bags sewn by prisoners. Do they still do that?

Cleaning, cooking, domestic duties, not for her!

And never was!

 

[MsMarple]

I admit my bias towards the case but I am trying to give Justice Beale the benefit of the doubt because we aren't getting the full transcript. It could well be he's not biased and in reality is just summarising all the arguments made during the trial and not favouring one particular side

edit: to be clear I don't think in reality he's biased. He's just doing what he has to do

I just hope this long, drawn out list of instructions doesn’t saturate the jurors. People can only take in so much before it starts to get muddled.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Not only is this not a strong possible motive, the prosecution haven't come close to proving it.

I would hazard a guess that if I was given the phones of 95% of the people on here I would find instances of people talking in a very negative way about people that they actually like. You certainly would on mine. I've mentioned before how my in-laws can drive me up the wall but I love the bones of them.

An extremely ordinary family dispute is not a likely motive for murder. It is a possible one in an actual psychopath, but again this has never remotely been proven with EP.

Have you ever considered that there's details to this case that we haven't been privy to and wouldn't have been in Erin's best interests to have been heard in court?

 

[Megnut]

The judge in Erin Patterson's murder trial has warned jurors not to reason that she is guilty just because they think she has lied.

But if you were innocent, why would you need to lie?

In Erin Patterson's case, she has continuously lied

There's an incredibly high likelihood that plenty of evidence was wiped from her phone that was done multiple times on a phone that even includes one additional time remotely while it was in police custody, which

If I were on the jury, it would be significant enough to remove reasonable doubt.

I think, because it skips a step.

She lied, she's guilty <---- not an acceptable discernment.

She lied, I can choose to discount her testimony. But I still have to evaluate the State's case, separate from that.

At least that's how I see the task of deliberation, based on the totality of the evidence, just not on her credibility or lack there of.

JMO

 

[Cliff Hardy]

Have you ever considered that there's details to this case that we haven't been privy to and wouldn't have been in Erin's best interests to have heard in court?

Precisely why the Defence called no character witnesses.

They weren't going to risk what the rebuttals would surely have provided.

 

[MrJ]

The judge in Erin Patterson's murder trial has warned jurors not to reason that she is guilty just because they think she has lied.

But if you were innocent, why would you need to lie?

In Erin Patterson's case, she has continuously lied

There's an incredibly high likelihood that plenty of evidence was wiped from her phone that was done multiple times on a phone that even includes one additional time remotely while it was in police custody, which

If I were on the jury, it would be significant enough to remove reasonable doubt.

In my opinion it’s not the lies themselves but what they might reveal. We all lie to protect some versions of ourselves we might not want to reveal in the moment. But there’s a difference between doing that sort of self-preservation and the sorts that EP’s done both alleged and confirmed. I think more generally and cannot say definitively in this case however that lying several times to obfuscate or obstruct an ongoing investigation or to divert suspicion often comes across as more guilty than if she had said something else.

 

[Doesitmakesense]

I think if I was a juror I would have to discount everything ep has said and only rely on what has been proven to be true

 

[Kemug]

And never was!

Plus, in her youth, her mother likely wanted her to do some household chores. Mothers do. But Erin may have flatly refused. Which would have led to discord, and resulted in Erin not learning cooking, cleaning, etc. JMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

 

[Ellery84]

Have you ever considered that there's details to this case that we haven't been privy to and wouldn't have been in Erin's best interests to have been heard in court?

Will you tell us when this case is over?

 

[Ellery84]

I feel like the jury has been provided with the tip of the iceberg only, and whatever is lurking under the surface, they’re not aware of. IMO

 

[Kemug]

Moreover, early onset of diarrhoea (within 8 hours of ingestion, that Erin claimed she had) is a very very poor prognostic indicator - and clinicians should consider early liver transplant if that occurs.

And yet, here she is.

 

[Kemug]

The summing up has taken so long. Even my interest has fizzled a bit

I wonder if he talks so much at home - or not at all.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Will you tell us when this case is over?

 

[Kemug]

^^^ this!
Lying to conceal the truth. Nobody lies that much if it's accidental, surely?
MOO

Well maybe, if they've had years and years of practice!