VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[loreet]

Any news on if the jury is still deliberating for the day? Or if they have gone to their hotel?

Is there a website or link that has this information? I am up late in the US hoping for a verdict tonight but it is closing in on 5:00 PM in Morwell.

 

[MrJ]

Any news on if the jury is still deliberating for the day? Or if they have gone to their hotel?

Is there a website or link that has this information? I am up late in the US hoping for a verdict tonight but it is closing in on 5:00 PM in Morwell.

They finished at 4:15. So you (and we) won't know until tomorrow, or Friday

 

[drsleuth]

Any news on if the jury is still deliberating for the day? Or if they have gone to their hotel?

Is there a website or link that has this information? I am up late in the US hoping for a verdict tonight but it is closing in on 5:00 PM in Morwell.

They would be done for the day I think

Usually end @ 4:15pm

Back tomorrow morning @ 10:30am

 

[loreet]

They would be done for the day I think

Usually end @ 4:15pm

Back tomorrow morning @ 10:30am

Thank you! This helps me plan my verdict watch! Off to sleep then. This board is amazing. You are all so amazing. Wise and thoughtful and insightful and caring.

 

[Tortoise]

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[sapphire blue]

Are you forgetting that this woman is 50 years old? She isn't a hormonal teen.

50 doesn’t necessarily mean emotionally mature, particularly when dealing with an ex and his family. She may also have been menopausal (she’s around that age) which means hormones can be all over the place.

 

[Lisa4]

The jury has not been able to reach a verdict on day three of deliberations

All sounds rather dramatic! But in reality how much time would they have really had so far for actual hard-core deliberations? After going through whatever they have to do in reviewing everything then there's settling in time after each break etc... Before finally getting down to business.

Anyone able to comment on this?

 

[arrogantcat]

Privacy screening appears at Erin Leongatha's home

After several hours of deliberations, the jurors were brought back into the courtroom.

Justice Beale wished them a “pleasant break” tonight at the hotel where they will be sequestered, under the watchful eye of jury keepers.

“The jury keepers have an important job to perform and they’ll be making sure that no one interferes with you,” he said.

He instructed them not to second-guess any of their instructions.
“(It would be an) awful shame if you didn’t oversee one of their instructions and, as a result, we had a mistrial,” he added.

“Some of the instructions may seem over the top … but please just bear with it.”
The jurors will be bussed back to court tomorrow to continue their deliberations.

Meanwhile, black plastic tarps have been wrapped around the front of the accused’s Leongatha home in the event she is found not guilty and wishes to return to her property.


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I wonder if this is also just anticipating the open season on reporting that will happen in the event of a verdict either way, as press restrictions lift.

Ghoulish photos through windows of where the victims lost their life, of private family possessions, etc, stuff that wouldn’t be allowed sub judice. It’s still the children’s old home, and even convicted offenders have some right to privacy, and we all know the press will be battling it out to get the most clicks and headlines for this story whatever the verdict.

Has the house been kept locked down as a crime scene, or have the family been able to access possessions there already?

IIRC press were kept to the gate but I’m sure with a telephoto lens they could capture a lot.

 

[Yh5r]

All sounds rather dramatic! But in reality how much time would they have really had so far for actual hard-core deliberations? After going through whatever they have to do in reviewing everything then there's settling in time after each break etc... Before finally getting down to business.

Anyone able to comment on this?

The court days were long and tiring with a lot of information provided. They might have taken their own notes and exchanged some ideas. I have no doubt that they are now doing this as a group again and to a greater extent. As I've said before, they would make sure justice is carried out correctly and that means reviewing the evidence presented during the lengthy trial in great detail. I know that's what I and most people in this situation would do, being responsible citizens.

 

[Bats]

All sounds rather dramatic! But in reality how much time would they have really had so far for actual hard-core deliberations? After going through whatever they have to do in reviewing everything then there's settling in time after each break etc... Before finally getting down to business.

Anyone able to comment on this?

Well, if I were to guess, there's differing opinions. If they were unanimous from the start of deliberating I'd be 99% confident there'd be a verdict by now.

They've all sat and watched the witnesses, closing arguments and judge's charge together so they'll be seeing who has which boxes ticked and who hasn't. There's probably a miriad of ways to start the deliberation process however at the end of the day they'll get to a point that many jurys would get to... how to resolve their differences.

MOO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It seems it's not such a slam dunk quick guilty verdict.
Who would have thought it.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

It seems it's not such a slam dunk quick guilty verdict.
Who would have thought it.

I don't think any of us thought it would be a quick verdict. I certainly didn't.

 

[Marg944]

Morwell became a world stage for Erin Patterson's mushroom trial​

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Talk of the town​

“The cafe next door to the deli has a sandwich board stuck to the wall with a chalked sign announcing the lunch special for the day: mushroom soup.”

When the world is watching one town and its courtroom, what happens?

Morwell has played host to Erin Patterson's murder trial for the past nine weeks. Here's what it's been like in the regional Victorian town.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Tortoise]

The only contribution I can make is that for me, it was a lot harder in real life than it is to decide on a forum discussing a case without that responsibility for someone else's fate. I was on the jury in a six-week murder trial and even though I was sure one of the two accused was guilty I still went home at the end of the second day of deliberations, when we had reached agreement on it, and stayed awake most of the night with the weight of the responsibility, before we rang the jury bell the next day. Taking away someone's freedom and years with family is not an enjoyable or easy task and it takes an emotional toll even though emotions don't come into the decision making process.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Interested authors will already have their books ready to hit the market, just waiting for the final touches once the verdict is in.

Then a race to see which book gets there first.

 

[BreakingNews]

I think you might be mixing up Sydney (capital of NSW and 10 hours drive from Morwell) and Melbourne (capital of VIC and 2 hours drive from Morwell). I should think the hotels in Morwell are pretty booked out but there are plenty of surrounding towns - Traralgon, Moe, Churchill, Warragul, Sale, Leongatha, etc. that would have accommodation much closer than Melbourne.

And they will have security. The media know very well that they can't film, nor approach the jury.

 

[BreakingNews]

If she gets off, it may be very dangerous for them to be alone in her company.

Why would it be dangerous for her own children if she is found not guilty?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Why would it be dangerous for her own children if she is found not guilty?

You should know that not guilty doesn't necessarily mean she didn't intentionally do it.

 

[AMJR]

The only contribution I can make is that for me, it was a lot harder in real life than it is to decide on a forum discussing a case without that responsibility for someone else's fate. I was on the jury in a six-week murder trial and even though I was sure one of the two accused was guilty I still went home at the end of the second day of deliberations, when we had reached agreement on it, and stayed awake most of the night with the weight of the responsibility, before we rang the jury bell the next day. Taking away someone's freedom and years with family is not an enjoyable or easy task and it takes an emotional toll even though emotions don't come into the decision making process.

Yes having served on a jury I agree it’s a meticulous process once you’re deliberating despite what your thoughts may have been during the trial.

I’m struck by similarities between this case and the Ben Field murder & attempted murder case in the uk. In that case much of the evidence was also circumstantial and it took the jury 19 days to reach their verdicts!

 

[BreakingNews]

All sounds rather dramatic! But in reality how much time would they have really had so far for actual hard-core deliberations? After going through whatever they have to do in reviewing everything then there's settling in time after each break etc... Before finally getting down to business.

Anyone able to comment on this?

I too thought that media comment was OTT. Look how long the Judge directed them! They probably are just making their way to point 3 by now. They would be going over everything, then going back to check something. Looking back over their 86 page report. Then they'd have such long nights with no tv, no phones, no outside contact. Hope they have a deck if cards. Gosh, I really feel for them. The judge let us have one drink from the mini bar at nights with the awful KFC they gave us to eat!!