VERDICT WATCH Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #16 *Arrest*

[katydid23]

We don’t know yet legally if she was careless or careful in the kitchen, and we are awaiting the verdict.

No matter if it was accidental or not, she was CARELESS to the extreme, imo.

She even admits that herself. She picked wild mushrooms, near an Oak tree, and she said she saw it was near an Oak tree, which is HOW ONE IDENTIFIES POTENTIAL DEATH CAPS.

So she was extremely careless when foraging, then she NEVER checked out those wild mushrooms to identify if they were safe.

She never taste tested them, even though she testified that she did that to check for safety.

She simply put the dried Death Caps in Tupperware in her pantry, and could have used them when cooking for her children at any time.

How can anyone say she was 'careful' in her kitchen?

 

[Yh5r]

BreakingNews said:
Why would it be dangerous for her own children if she is found not guilty?

Well she clearly was extremely careless in her kitchen! Who's to say she wouldn't poison her children?

The "careless" comment was my own observation based on another user questioning why it would be dangerous for her own children IF she’s found not guilty.

What I meant is that even if she’s legally found not guilty, it would still suggest an extremely high level of carelessness in her cooking that would pose a clear danger to her children eating food prepared by her IMO

 

[Porky1]

She admits she poisoned her guests so how exactly was that careful?

Even if you believe she is innocent it’s still sheer incompetence and 3 people are dead because she played Miss Congeniality.

I’d rather wait for the jury to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to lock EP away for 20+ years. Proving a deliberate vs an accidental act is harder than it looks and I personally don’t think the prosecution's case was as strong as expected, there were holes imho.

[mod snip personalizing]

In Australia, she is still innocent until proven guilty.

 

[ellyvantelli]

We don’t know yet legally if she was careless or careful in the kitchen, and we are awaiting the verdict.

Without wishing to put words in Ellery84’s mouth.

I think the point is that the narrative regarding her cooking is that:

If the accused is found guilty, she very carefully spent the day on Friday whilst the kids were at school, making some very dangerous BWs, and again carefully on Sat morning made her own special safe BW in the full view of the kids all the whilst being careful to make it look like she was prepping more than one.

If the accused is not guilty, then she must have been at least a little bit careless in the kitchen to have accidentally mixed misidentified DCs into an otherwise wholesome meal.
JMOO

 

[katydid23]

Careful = they were murdered
Careless = it was all an accident/tragedy

This is how I am giving meaning to those words in this context of Erin being in a kitchen, cooking.

Ok, I can see where you are going with that.


But it is still rather jarring to describe EP as 'careful' in the kitchen. lol

 

[Porky1]

Careful = they were murdered
Careless = it was all an accident/tragedy

This is how I am giving meaning to those words in this context of Erin being in a kitchen, cooking.

Thank you!

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

How on earth was she careful in the kitchen?? Three probably died after eating her lunch and a fourth person almost died.

She carefully researched, identified, picked DC mushrooms, carefully stored them, dehydrated them, powdered them, carefully added them to five out of six BW pies, carefully crafted a story to lure her guests, carefully served the poisonous meal up in a smoke and mirrors dinner plate party trick, carefully didn't kill herself, her children, any other persons around her house, or her dog. Then carefully hid her phone handsets and managed to factory reset ones that even LE had in possession. ALLEGEDLY

She's a pretty cautious and calculated person IMO.

If she's innocent then she's really reckless and careless and choatic disorganised which begs only one question - how come she never 'accidentally' poisoned anyone sooner in her home what with DC mushrooms lounging around in tupperware and on the dehydrator and being processed in her kitchen etc?

She forgot to factor in one permutation IMO - the notion that people would come to medical attention prior the DC evidence passing out of their bodies and prior them being actually dead. A flaw in her plan, it was not air tight. She must be kicking herself.

JMO MOO

 

[Yh5r]

I’d rather wait for the jury to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to lock EP away for 20+ years. Proving a deliberate vs an accidental act is harder than it looks and I personally don’t think the prosecution's case was as strong as expected, there were holes imho.

I certainly don’t think she’s incompetent and I find your character assassination a little rude at this time.

In Australia, she is still innocent until proven guilty.

Her food preparation was very incompetent to say the least. Every child knows that mushrooms can be toxic and to just be throwing foraged mushrooms around and adding them to a meal that you serve to other people is highly incompentent.

 

[303gmf]

I’d rather wait for the jury to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to lock EP away for 20+ years. Proving a deliberate vs an accidental act is harder than it looks and I personally don’t think the prosecution's case was as strong as expected, there were holes imho.

I certainly don’t think she’s incompetent and I find your character assassination a little rude at this time.

In Australia, she is still innocent until proven guilty.

What part of her character on display throughout this long drawn out trial does NOT deserve assignation?
I can’t find any

 

[MrJ]

I do find it interesting how in light of the fact she intended for the lunch to be a 'special meal', how seemingly sloppily the mushrooms used in the meal were prepared. A single Tupperware container; really?! Especially for foraged mushrooms and mixing those in with store-bought ones. Innocent or guilty, the way she stored the important ingredients was pretty appalling IMO

 

[katydid23]

I’d rather wait for the jury to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to lock EP away for 20+ years. Proving a deliberate vs an accidental act is harder than it looks and I personally don’t think the prosecution's case was as strong as expected, there were holes imho.

There might have been a few small holes. But there was also a lot of incriminating evidence that connected the dots, imo.

I certainly don’t think she’s incompetent and I find your character assassination a little rude at this time.

Incompetent=Not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.

I think she was an incompetent lunch hostess. Because of an extreme lack of skills necessary to choose her cooking ingredients, she killed three of her lunch guests.

In Australia, she is still innocent until proven guilty.

Once an entire case is put into evidence and revealed to the public, people will begin to deliberate just as the jury is also deliberating.

The jury is sequestered and not able to read our discussions here. We are looking at the evidence, the expert and witness testimony, and we are very close to being able to make our own decisions concerning guilt or innocence with the information we have seen.

 

[Karin1974]

How do you accidentally poison them?

There's no Asian store selling those mushrooms otherwise; there would be reported hospital admissions and deaths, so it has to be foraged.

She has looked up deathcap mushrooms before going to the places she hadn't been and had no reason to go to.

And she had to have made a separate mix of mushroom paste for her roll, if you whisk them in a food processor, you are all getting the same amount of poison.,

Yet she was in the hospital, not sick at all, and discharged herself that day.

While her relatives lay dying


But why would you then scrape off the mushrooms from the Beef Wellington for your children?


*** The jury heard Patterson had previously dehydrated mushrooms for her daughter and put them in muffins without telling her.

Patterson claimed she did this because her daughter said that she didn't like mushrooms.

Patterson wanted to prove her daughter liked mushrooms because she enjoyed the muffins which contained dried mushrooms over the muffins that didn't.

Patterson also secretly put dehydrated mushrooms into her children's chocolate brownies.

IMO - All this does is confirm how deceitful she is, over & over & over again. MOO

 

[MrJ]

*** The jury heard Patterson had previously dehydrated mushrooms for her daughter and put them in muffins without telling her.

Patterson claimed she did this because her daughter said that she didn't like mushrooms.

Patterson wanted to prove her daughter liked mushrooms because she enjoyed the muffins which contained dried mushrooms over the muffins that didn't.

Patterson also secretly put dehydrated mushrooms into her children's chocolate brownies.

THIS right here is why the whole 'tragic accident' thing isn't believable to me. Whether she's guilty or not, a jury will have to decide, but the fact she did this prior to this tells me she knew how to powder mushrooms! IMO

 

[Porky1]

There might have been a few small holes. But there was also a lot of incriminating evidence that connected the dots, imo.


Incompetent=Not having or showing the necessary skills to do something successfully.

I think she was an incompetent lunch hostess. Because of an extreme lack of skills necessary to choose her cooking ingredients, she killed three of her lunch guests.

Once an entire case is put into evidence and revealed to the public, people will begin to deliberate just as the jury is also deliberating.

The jury is sequestered and not able to read our discussions here. We are looking at the evidence, the expert and witness testimony, and we are very close to being able to make our own decisions concerning guilt or innocence with the information we have seen.

I agree with you in context.

I don’t see her as incompetent though. In my training, in regards to skill assessment, you were either competent or not competent (yet).

What if it really was a terrible tragedy? We weren’t there in court. So much is missed without observing cues.

Iam on the fence and I am surprised by this after following this case for 23 months. It was either calculated or an innocent mistake and some pretty poor/deplorable mistakes made in panic afterwards.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Well that is why we are waiting on a verdict, isn’t it? If it was all a careless mistake, she’s innocent of murder - right?

But let’s say she planned and executed every step from the planning to the execution of the meal in the way she intended to do so, using Death Caps as somewhat of a poison, then she is a murderer.

Are you catching my drift at all here?

If she’s innocent, she’s careless in the kitchen and imo probably shouldn’t be allowed to prepare meals for her children, moving forward, in case they get accidentally killed by her cooking also.

If she’s guilty she won’t be preparing meals for anyone because she will be in jail for a long time and I highly doubt they’ll put her on kitchen duty at the women’s prison, ever. IMO

IMO

*Three people died

 

[Salah11]

I’d rather wait for the jury to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to lock EP away for 20+ years. Proving a deliberate vs an accidental act is harder than it looks and I personally don’t think the prosecution's case was as strong as expected, there were holes imho.

I certainly don’t think she’s incompetent and I find your character assassination a little rude at this time.

In Australia, she is still innocent until proven guilty.

It’s not character assassination as she has admitted she poisoned them. 3 people are dead because she was completely incompetent and took stupid risks. So she can argue it was an accident all day long, but she is still responsible for their deaths.

A accident doesn’t bring them back and doesn’t take away her responsibility for that deadly lunch.

Moo

 

[Lisa4]

THIS right here is why the whole 'tragic accident' thing isn't believable to me. Whether she's guilty or not, a jury will have to decide, but the fact she did this prior to this tells me she knew how to powder mushrooms! IMO

Yes, agree, and combine that with the consideration that she had deadly powdered mushrooms in her pantry for weeks on end and DIDN'T use them in more brownies for the kids.

 

[Detechtive]

Yes, agree, and combine that with the consideration that she had deadly powdered mushrooms in her pantry for weeks on end and DIDN'T use them in more brownies for the kids.

She sent the first image of Death Caps to her friends circle on May 4, 2023.
The (second) lunch she had was on July 29, 2023.

Months.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

She sent the first image of Death Caps to her friends circle on May 4, 2023.
The (second) lunch she had was on July 29, 2023.

Months.

What did she say about them?

 

[MrJ]

And one other point. Let's play it out. You accidentally cause the poisoning of four people, supposedly ones you love. You might be embarrassed, devastated, all of those things. Why hide it, even if you were embarrassed? Wouldn't you want medical care ASAP for your loved ones? EP's actions after the meal just simply do not make sense. The 'panic' defence is a bit incongruous.