Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #3

[bearbear]

the dc mushrooms could have been dried and powdered ages ago, stored in the cupboard,
they are apparantly tasteless powdered so could be sprinkled into anything,
also i read that although dcs grow in autumn they can grow at other times after a lot of rain

 

[JLZ]

the dc mushrooms could have been dried and powdered ages ago, stored in the cupboard,
they are apparantly tasteless powdered so could be sprinkled into anything,
also i read that although dcs grow in autumn they can grow at other times after a lot of rain

BBM Yes, well, if that's the case the best you could say was that she had had a diffuse murderous intention for a long time and only recently selected her victims.

 

[JLZ]

the dc mushrooms could have been dried and powdered ages ago, stored in the cupboard,
they are apparantly tasteless powdered so could be sprinkled into anything,
also i read that although dcs grow in autumn they can grow at other times after a lot of rain

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This seems to be the nearest weather station. Rainfall was about average in July, somewhat wetter than usual May and June.

 

[jjleroche]

Her fondness for Gail is in this article which was published around 4pm today.

Mushroom cook's ex-husband jokes about why he's still alive

The estranged husband of the woman accused of cooking a fatal lunch of beef Wellington with death cup mushrooms has made a joking comment about his wife and the reason he is still alive.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Source Credit: C Sutton
T. D. M.

Thank you Ellery84!

 

[jjleroche]

This is new:
Mr Patterson and Ms Patterson own separate residences in the Gippsland region
Meaning he owns it as a result of a property settlement, although it was previously Erin's, or is this another house he acquired independently?

I recall reading at one stage that SP was residing in one of EP's properties. From your post, sounds as though he's purchased his own place.
I haven't read anything at all about a recent property settlement.

 

[jjleroche]

If she had a stash of dried and powdered poisonous mushrooms, that would be a very long term plan.

I had an idea. What if she made five separate individual beef wellingtons (or any type of food with poison in) and only one had poison in it - the one for her husband - but because the guests loved the food so much and SP never turned up, they ate his portion between them?

Oh dear!

 

[jepop]

I recall reading at one stage that SP was residing in one of EP's properties. From your post, sounds as though he's purchased his own place.
I haven't read anything at all about a recent property settlement.

Another contradiction in reports, Imo. Can't be bothered doing a temporal analysis of Daily Mail reporting on this case. Early reports - yes SP resided in property owned by EP - reported by Daily M and others. Daily M now reporting he owns his own property in the same town. Sounds to me like it's the same property he's living in as he was two weeks ago but the info has changed! Moo

I'm sticking to the ABC which hasn't reported much since EP's statement. At least I can be sure that their sources are good (Moo). Probably one of the reasons as to why they haven't reported on any of the extraneous info - also -stricter journalistic ethics and standards Imoo.

 

[silvercrown]

Her fondness for Gail is in this article which was published around 4pm today.

Mushroom cook's ex-husband jokes about why he's still alive

The estranged husband of the woman accused of cooking a fatal lunch of beef Wellington with death cup mushrooms has made a joking comment about his wife and the reason he is still alive.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Source Credit: C Sutton
T. D. M.

EP’s comments about being fond of Gail in the article aren’t enough concrete evidence for me that they had a problem-free, respectful relationship.
Otoh of course it’s possible that they did. I’d just take anything EP said with a grain of salt at this stage.

Moo

Edit: the DM reporting in the linked article that EP and SP were still ‘happily married’ in 2018. I’m not saying they weren't, but it’s also not necessarily the case that they were.

 

[Charlot123]

If she had a stash of dried and powdered poisonous mushrooms, that would be a very long term plan.

I had an idea. What if she made five separate individual beef wellingtons (or any type of food with poison in) and only one had poison in it - the one for her husband - but because the guests loved the food so much and SP never turned up, they ate his portion between them?

Makes little sense. If one person who already suspects her is poisoned, there are four witnesses left. Two of them, women who often are more observant about food.

We know very little about E and S. Really, nothing.

My questions would be:

- who left whom? (One newspaper said, S., E. says, she left him).

- is any of them in a relationship? (E.P. says that she is now ashamed to invite her friends to the house. Neighbors described her as a loner. Is the friend a male?)

- who is SP's friend who is the source of all gossipy information to the newspapers?

- E. is 48 indicating they didn't start childbearing until later in life. We know nothing about their lives prior to the marriage. I also wonder about E's education - high school or more?

- could the Ps and the Ws be invited to discuss something very different- the divorce and the kids? They are/were religious. About EP, we don't know. Could that be the source of the conflict?

 

[silvercrown]

If she had a stash of dried and powdered poisonous mushrooms, that would be a very long term plan.

I had an idea. What if she made five separate individual beef wellingtons (or any type of food with poison in) and only one had poison in it - the one for her husband - but because the guests loved the food so much and SP never turned up, they ate his portion between them?

I’d hope that if she planned to off the ex with a poisoned BW, she’d at least throw it away once she knew he wasn’t coming. Wanting to avoid any chance of unintended victims eating it.
Moo

I wonder when the last time SP saw his parents and aunt (and uncle) prior to their passing?

 

[silvercrown]

dbm

 

[Ellery84]

At least I can be sure that their sources are good (Moo). Probably one of the reasons as to why they haven't reported on any of the extraneous info - also -stricter journalistic ethics and standards Imoo.

How can you be so sure the ABC’s sources are “good”… and that they have stricter “journalistic ethics and standards” that The Daily Mail?
How do you know T. D. M. don’t triple-check every source, tip and assertion?

Do you have any idea of the size or resources within T. D. M. or the ABC’s legal department?

If you take the time to read through the credentials of the reporters at The Daily, to see where they studied journalism, their previous high-profile roles, often as correspondents in dangerous and high-risk places, and with a range of reputable organisations under their respective belts, you might start to get an understanding that their stories are timely, accurate and often very wry and on-point.

I personally love the ABC, AAP, DM and a lot of overseas publications also… you can have your preferences but you don’t need to unfairly disparage any particular masthead or group of journalists to make your point.

 

[bearbear]

BBM Yes, well, if that's the case the best you could say was that she had had a diffuse murderous intention for a long time and only recently selected her victims.

or she might have never intended to use it, just enjoyed knowing she had it there?

 

[Ellery84]

Oh dear!

look, I also have a sneaking suspicion that SP may have been the intended target…

“Attached to an article about US photographer Kavin Bader's project of posting an image of his girlfriend Maggie every single week for a year, Mr Patterson wrote 'My wife hates having her picture taken'.

Simon says:
'The fact I am alive to write this comment is testament to the fact I haven't attempted what the guy in this article did!'”
Mushroom cook's ex-husband jokes about why he's still alive

Maybe there wasn’t mushroom in their marriage for mistakes of this nature?! Moo.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

EP’s comments about being fond of Gail in the article aren’t enough concrete evidence for me that they had a problem-free, respectful relationship.
Otoh of course it’s possible that they did. I’d just take anything EP said with a grain of salt at this stage.

Moo

Edit: the DM reporting in the linked article that EP and SP were still ‘happily married’ in 2018. I’m not saying they weren't, but it’s also not necessarily the case that they were.

Also, one could very truthfully say 'I loved those people dearly, they were like family to me and I trusted them with my life' and miss out the end bit 'until the day I realised they'd all betrayed me'...

At that point one could do a very convincing performance of being distraught that your loved ones are passed away with the actual distress tears being the horror and trauma of betrayal and tears of self pity.

 

[Salah11]

Also it’s a bit Rich to blame the media for friends not being able to pop by when she is a person of interest in 3 deaths and 1 other person critically ill in Hosptial.


Maybe none of her so called friends want to pop by for a cup of tea and poison on the side.

Moo

 

[jjleroche]

Makes little sense. If one person who already suspects her is poisoned, there are four witnesses left. Two of them, women who often are more observant about food.

We know very little about E and S. Really, nothing.

My questions would be:

- who left whom? (One newspaper said, S., E. says, she left him).

- is any of them in a relationship? (E.P. says that she is now ashamed to invite her friends to the house. Neighbors described her as a loner. Is the friend a male?)

- who is SP's friend who is the source of all gossipy information to the newspapers?

- E. is 48 indicating they didn't start childbearing until later in life. We know nothing about their lives prior to the marriage. I also wonder about E's education - high school or more?

- could the Ps and the Ws be invited to discuss something very different- the divorce and the kids? They are/were religious. About EP, we don't know. Could that be the source of the conflict?

Yes, SP's friend, the source of all gossipy information to the newspapers. Hmmm. I have wondered who this friend could be.
It certainly seems to me that this friend could be attempting to control the narrative, perhaps on behalf of SP. (MOO) - which may or may not be doing him any favours.
The problem is that some (maybe all) of what has come from this source doesn't seem to be supported when other information has come to light IMO.

I have wondered whether there actually was any conflict (between EP and her in-laws). Maybe there wasn't. Maybe the lunch was simply a chatty get-together, with no mysterious reasons like "intervention" behind it. (That was information from SP's friend also.)

I had read early on that EP had wanted to reconcile with SP, but "a friend of Simon's" allegedly stated to MSM that SP didn't want to reconcile.

I took that at face value, but also saw reports that EP had left SP. I'm more inclined to believe the latter, mainly based on EP's successful move to an independent life, and making sound financial decisions for her future independently. MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Also it’s a bit Rich to blame the media for friends not being able to pop by when she is a person of interest in 3 deaths and 1 other person critically ill in Hosptial.


Maybe none of her so called friends want to pop by for a cup of tea and poison on the side.

Moo

Hmm I'm pretty sure there's several reasons why nobody's popping round right now EP!

 

[silvercrown]

Circumstantial evidence can be an extremely strong form of evidence and murderers have definitely been convicted based solely on it.

Maybe she’s confided to a friend how much she hates her in laws and was going to kill them?
There may be google searches on where to forage for DC mushrooms?
There may be google searches of how to best hide them in food or drink? And how long until they take effect?

This isn’t physical evidence but it would be pretty convincing for me if I was a juror.

Who knows?

Moo imo if EP guilty, of course.

I can’t edit, but just wanted to clarify these are hypothetical examples of what could be circumstantial evidence. I’m not saying I think they’re necessarily true for EP

 

[jepop]

How can you be so sure the ABC’s sources are “good”… and that they have stricter “journalistic ethics and standards” that The Daily Mail?
How do you know T. D. M. don’t triple-check every source, tip and assertion?

Do you have any idea of the size or resources within T. D. M. or the ABC’s legal department?

If you take the time to read through the credentials of the reporters at The Daily, to see where they studied journalism, their previous high-profile roles, often as correspondents in dangerous and high-risk places, and with a range of reputable organisations under their respective belts, you might start to get an understanding that their stories are timely, accurate and often very wry and on-point.

I personally love the ABC, AAP, DM and a lot of overseas publications also… you can have your preferences but you don’t need to unfairly disparage any particular masthead or group of journalists to make your point.

Sorry I wasn't clearer. My post was my opinion only (Moo). Just my personal opinion based on my own experience. Moo I prefer the ABC and in my opinion only (Imoo) they have high journalistic standards as Australia's public broadcaster. Moo