Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #3

[JLZ]

Another contradiction in reports, Imo. Can't be bothered doing a temporal analysis of Daily Mail reporting on this case. Early reports - yes SP resided in property owned by EP - reported by Daily M and others. Daily M now reporting he owns his own property in the same town. Sounds to me like it's the same property he's living in as he was two weeks ago but the info has changed! Moo

I'm sticking to the ABC which hasn't reported much since EP's statement. At least I can be sure that their sources are good (Moo). Probably one of the reasons as to why they haven't reported on any of the extraneous info - also -stricter journalistic ethics and standards Imoo.

Again from Daily Mail, but a little more detail here:

Property records obtained by Daily Mail Australia reveal Simon and Erin both registered themselves as the single owners of two different houses in February 2021 - 15 months before he fell ill with a mystery stomach illness.

Lawyers acting for deadly mushroom chef forced to snail mail messages

Lawyers acting for deadly mushroom chef Erin Patterson have been forced to camp outside her home to hand deliver her legal instructions after she went missing on Thursday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[jepop]

Again from Daily Mail, but a little more detail here:

Property records obtained by Daily Mail Australia reveal Simon and Erin both registered themselves as the single owners of two different houses in February 2021 - 15 months before he fell ill with a mystery stomach illness.

Lawyers acting for deadly mushroom chef forced to snail mail messages

Lawyers acting for deadly mushroom chef Erin Patterson have been forced to camp outside her home to hand deliver her legal instructions after she went missing on Thursday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Good find. Thanks for researching that.

 

[Salah11]

Sorry I wasn't clearer. My post was my opinion only (Moo). Just my personal opinion based on my own experience. Moo I prefer the ABC and in my opinion only (Imoo) they have high journalistic standards as Australia's public broadcaster. Moo

Yes I am from the U.K. and the Daily Mail is complete trash. It has a horrible reputation and is gutter tabloid at its worse. Only The Sun would come lower down.

I mean why are they even stalking the ex husbands social media posts from years ago it’s crazy .


Imo

 

[CityKid]

LE retrieved a food dehydrator from a tip.

Erin Patterson: Cops break silence on mushroom chef leaked statement

Victoria's second highest ranking police officer has said the leaking of a statement from Erin Patterson about a mushroom meal thought to be linked to the deaths of three people is 'unhelpful'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Snipped for focus. Was there any reporting on the entire chain of LE asking EP about the dehydrator? We know she lied (from her own mouth) about when she disposed of it. Had she been asked about the dehydrator, or did someone else close to her mention that she had a dehydrator that she used for mushrooms (or another food item)?

 

[Ellery84]

Thank you Ellery84!

You’re very welcome!

 

[Ellery84]

Sorry I wasn't clearer. My post was my opinion only (Moo). Just my personal opinion based on my own experience. Moo I prefer the ABC and in my opinion only (Imoo) they have high journalistic standards as Australia's public broadcaster. Moo

No worries, Jepop.

I also think the ABC would have high standards for their reporting.

 

[sapphire blue]

I think there is a pattern which cannot be dismissed.

SP was hospitalised for ingesting something which nearly caused his death only merely a year ago.

Suspiciously he's her ex and related to these latest people who have died under similar methods.

If SP was in hospital due to a shark attack or a motorbike accident then the relevancy to these latest deaths would not have any connection.

But the fact he suffered a poisoning is what really keeps us centred on EP.

This person EP has incredible unluckiness to be related to all the people that have been ill and died and interesting her ex who was very ill.

I guess it could be coincidence?? it could be a misdirection and be SP all along setting EP up for the fall I guess.

But wouldn't it have been better for SP that EP died ??- that would have been a better financial outcome for him. MOO

I think there is a pattern which cannot be dismissed.

SP was hospitalised for ingesting something which nearly caused his death only merely a year ago.

Suspiciously he's her ex and related to these latest people who have died under similar methods.

If SP was in hospital due to a shark attack or a motorbike accident then the relevancy to these latest deaths would not have any connection.

But the fact he suffered a poisoning is what really keeps us centred on EP.

This person EP has incredible unluckiness to be related to all the people that have been ill and died and interesting her ex who was very ill.

I guess it could be coincidence?? it could be a misdirection and be SP all along setting EP up for the fall I guess.

But wouldn't it have been better for SP that EP died ??- that would have been a better financial outcome for him. MOO

Where has the information come from that SP was hospitalised for ingesting something which nearly caused his death?

If I recall he was hospitalised with a mystery illness, which does not necessarily mean ingesting something.

 

[mangoes999]

thoughts- stating the obvious but here goes. i don't believe she hasn't got a new phone.(like had an old one at home or lawyers gave her a burner phone etc - but she's obviously pissed off not talking to her lawyers now. -perhaps differing ideas on how to pursue this mad situation. And re her disappearance, she' could be staying/hiding at a friend's place in the Melbourne suburbs. (if I was the deceased's family I'd of maybe hired a private.d to put a tracker on her car)

 

[jjenny]

I should have qualified by saying deliberate poisoning. But even so, IIRC he was in hospital for about 16 days , self described on fb posts I believe as "intestinal". I think he would have described it as food poisoning if he'd been told that by the hospital and I think the hospital would have been able to identify food poisoning if that was the case. Jmo.

It doesn't sound like doctors figured out what caused his disease. I hope they saved his blood and urine sample and can test those for poisons.

 

[SMK777]

Has anyone thought E & S could be in it together? They thought E wouldn't be suspected because she had no motive, and S contrived not to be there, as alibi.

Posters have certainly thought of this, but it can’t be taken any further because Simon has not been labeled a POI/Suspect by law enforcement.

 

[jjenny]

Snipped for focus. Was there any reporting on the entire chain of LE asking EP about the dehydrator? We know she lied (from her own mouth) about when she disposed of it. Had she been asked about the dehydrator, or did someone else close to her mention that she had a dehydrator that she used for mushrooms (or another food item)?

LE isn't reporting on what they are asking her. She is the one who admits she lied about the dehydrator when LE asked her about it. She lied to LE and claimed she disposed of it a long time ago. In reality she dumped it after the special lunch.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, SP's friend, the source of all gossipy information to the newspapers. Hmmm. I have wondered who this friend could be.
It certainly seems to me that this friend could be attempting to control the narrative, perhaps on behalf of SP. (MOO) - which may or may not be doing him any favours.
The problem is that some (maybe all) of what has come from this source doesn't seem to be supported when other information has come to light IMO.

I have wondered whether there actually was any conflict (between EP and her in-laws). Maybe there wasn't. Maybe the lunch was simply a chatty get-together, with no mysterious reasons like "intervention" behind it. (That was information from SP's friend also.)

I had read early on that EP had wanted to reconcile with SP, but "a friend of Simon's" allegedly stated to MSM that SP didn't want to reconcile.

I took that at face value, but also saw reports that EP had left SP. I'm more inclined to believe the latter, mainly based on EP's successful move to an independent life, and making sound financial decisions for her future independently. MOO

Her successful move appears to be largely due to her inheritance after her mother died. It's not that hard to make solid financial decisions after inhering large sums of money (although some people obviously manage to screw that up too).

 

[jjenny]

EP’s comments about being fond of Gail in the article aren’t enough concrete evidence for me that they had a problem-free, respectful relationship.
Otoh of course it’s possible that they did. I’d just take anything EP said with a grain of salt at this stage.

Moo

Edit: the DM reporting in the linked article that EP and SP were still ‘happily married’ in 2018. I’m not saying they weren't, but it’s also not necessarily the case that they were.

And her mother died in 2019. If they were still married at the time (happily or not) he could very well be entitled to a part of that inheritance per Australian laws.

 

[Elley Mae]

wrong thread.

 

[CityKid]

LE isn't reporting on what they are asking her. She is the one who admits she lied about the dehydrator when LE asked her about it. She lied to LE and claimed she disposed of it a long time ago. In reality she dumped it after the special lunch.

I don't know how much to trust her, but she claims LE asked about the dehydrator. I wonder if that was after the supposed hospital convo with SP and the children when the dehydrator was mentioned?

 

[silvercrown]

Has it been made clear if EP was a SAHM for the entirety of her marriage?

 

[jepop]

It doesn't sound like doctors figured out what caused his disease. I hope they saved his blood and urine sample and can test those for poisons.

No idea but jmo any test results would still be in their systems.

 

[RickshawFan]

Well, not volatile enough not to skip food. Beef Wellington, probably, implies dinner. I assume that there was at least wine served with it. On the other hand, liquor might be tricky (someone could refuse), but convenient as the taste of poison might not be noticeable. This is why i am thinking, whiskey or coffee liquor. Or a cocktail as it is a mixture of god-knows-what to start with. As to the pastor, don't they use blood of Christ on Sundays? It was not a business negotiation, the group ultimately came to announce their opinion. Why am I thinking that the poison was mixed into a drink? Because people will always drink something, if not alcohol, then coffee.

I’m not sure why there would be an assumption that wine accompanied this meal, whatever the time of day. Ditto for coffee.

And we don’t know if there was “business negotiation” or if the group came to “announce their opinion” or not AFAIK. We do know there was a mediator present, which suggests a difficult topic was on the table, subject to discussion and points of view, but not the topic itself.

If it were tea time on the schedule, we might guess that tea would be on the menu, but guests might have preferred water. That’s about the only meal with a defined drink.

 

[RickshawFan]

Implies dinner? Do you mean evening meal? I've only read that it was a luncheon, so midday/early afternoon. About communion, I don't exactly remember, but I suspect it was non-alcoholic wine.

Edit, I agree that they would have been drinking some fluid or other.

Water.

 

[jjenny]

No idea but jmo any test results would still be in their systems.

One has to specifically test for poisons. It also helps if you know which poison you are specifically looking for. So their test results are not going to be sufficient if they were looking for natural causes and not poisons.