GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #17

[drsleuth]

I read that Dr Rogers wasn't there for the verdict, too. But that her team was.

imo

I hope she is OK, odd she wasn't there if she wasn't.

 

[Kemug]

that we know of
who knows what she attempted to do to his parents over the years ...

And her own. And her sister.

 

[wallyworld]

Erin likes to get her revenge physically apparently,
I was going to say, but then I thought of the stalking and harrassing, so I dont know if that's quite so.

Thank you

I do feel sorry for her friends on one hand, because they were groomed by a psychopath, IMO. However, I also don't because they acted as her flying monkeys to harass people and I have no tolerance for that type of bullying.

I honestly think some of them can't face she is guilty because it would mean having to face their own narcissism thinking they were fooled, which would mean narcissistic collapse. Either way, I don't really care, and wish them all karma for what they have inflicted on other people.

God, I read about this today. Was that to do with a podcast about Kelly Lane? Apparently Erin helped finance it and it was a massive flop.

 

[LadyL]

She was planning on killing 5 at that lunch ..!

I'm sure her main regret, aside from getting caught, is that her main target, her estranged husband Simon, never showed up for his poisoned Wellington.

And was confident she would get away with it

She has traits of being a sociopath/psychopath

Both lack empathy and concern for others

But psychopaths are more likely to engage in violence without thought about its consequences or the harm it brings to others

Psychopaths often engage in criminal, cruel, or socially irresponsible behavior, including lying, stealing, or being violent or abusive toward others.

Because psychopaths have no empathy for a person’s needs or rights, they also feel no remorse, even when their actions harm others.

These combined traits and deficits mean that psychopaths are likely to engage in crime, violence, abusive behavior, and additional forms of cruel or dangerous behavior



My feeling is that she would have continued with the poisoning if she had been let off

Whether in drinks or food, to anyone who crossed her, including Simon.

it's hard to decide which type she might be

Sociopath vs. Psychopath: Similarties and Differences

Both psychopaths and sociopaths exploit others for personal gain, but psychopaths lack a conscience while sociopaths may try to justify their actions.

www.verywellhealth.com

 

[Kemug]

I don’t mean to be insensitive here. But I really cringe at her as a prisoner having ‘mental health concerns’ when she’s caused grief for generations of people and an entire town. I honestly think it’s a joke

All the more reason to keep her locked up, IMO.

 

[wallyworld]

I wonder why they can't have socks with grips.

they probably need to 'get a grip on life' first.

 

[MrJ]

If you’re living in Australia there’ll be a Channel 9 documentary on the case at 7:30 AEST about 19 minutes from now

 

[Tortoise]

Knowing what we know now (via the Daily Mail link), Judge Beale was very aware of what he was dealing with in terms of Erin's likely guilt (not how the jury would find, but in his own mind given the pre-trial stuff that was excluded).

You'd reckon he felt the juror had to go, to prevent the defence having it up their sleeve to use as grounds for an appeal down the track.

Beale knew he had to dot every i, and he certainly did that.

What irks me is that her barrister was permitted to argue that there was no motive. I really believe that part of not admitting the other evidence should have included an order that motive not be an issue raised by either party.

It happened in the Letby case too. The defence raised argument to the jury that this was a nurse that had a clean past and would not have rocked up to work one day and just decided to start killing babies. As a result of the police investigation into that one year covered by the indictment when doctors had started noticing unexpected deaths the police opened an investigation into her entire career and nurse training and whilst a file has now been passed to the crown prosecution services for a charging decision, so there are no additional charges as of this date, we do know that there are many many more earlier suspicious harm events that have come to light.

These issues about an alleged clean past and no motive when motive is indicated from past events charged but denied into evidence by the court, put to the jury by highly-skilled defence barristers, had the potential to insert invalid doubts in juror's minds, and cause a miscarriage of justice for the victims, and the potential acquittal of highly dangerous individuals back into society.

IMO

 

[katydid23]

Those texts from Gail and Don are so sad. They only wanted to do right by Simon and the kids and seem like lovely and genuine people.

Yes. They were actively trying to be '"peacemakers" and look where it got them.

Erin's bald faced lies about her having cancer were met with compassion by the peacemakers.

Their first instinct was to pray for her, and ask for God's help for her recovery and for help for the children to be able to deal with that difficult situation.

All the while, Erin accepted their love and attention, soaking it up, knowing they had eaten her deadly meal and they were not long for this world. She was probably gloating and proud of herself. Like she had WON.

 

[Monstradamus]

Yes. They were actively trying to be '"peacemakers" and look where it got them.

Erin's bald faced lies about her having cancer were met with compassion by the peacemakers.

Their first instinct was to pray for her, and ask for God's help for her recovery and for help for the children to be able to deal with that difficult situation.

All the while, Erin accepted their love and attention, soaking it up, knowing they had eaten her deadly meal and they were not long for this world. She was probably gloating and proud of herself. Like she had WON.

What a disgusting piece of work she is.

 

[Monstradamus]

Ch 9 Murder Down Under just starting now AEST

 

[katydid23]

Known as a quilt in the US and Canada.

Oh My Lord, she wants her barrister to inform the court that his client is demanding that she is allowed to have her quilt and fave pillow in her jail cell?

 

[Ellery84]

A photographer made a bizarre contraption to catch Erin Patterson. The gamble paid off — The Age



trial

A photographer made a bizarre contraption to catch Erin Patterson. The gamble paid off

Erin Patterson believed the confines of her prison van would shield her from the media’s relentless gaze – but she was wrong. This is the story behind the visceral photographs that exposed her anguish, a testament to the dedication of the photographer and journalist who managed to capture the defining images of a high-profile trial.

In news photography, getting “the shot” is part planning, part luck.

On Monday, May 12 – two weeks into Erin Patterson’s trial in the usually quiet Victorian country town of Morwell – most of the photographers and journalists covering the case were taking the opportunity of a jury-free day to get some well-earned rest.

Martin Keep, though, ventured out into the bitter cold, a custom rig held high above his head with studio flashes twisted around his camera. It was something that photographer Keep, his colleagues, and The Age photographer Jason South had never seen before – a bizarre creation, born out of a chance find at former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn’s trial almost a year before.

Pure genius imo

 

[katydid23]

"doona" is commonly known as a duvet or quilt
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THIS^^^^ is what she is demanding for her jail cell? LOL. I wonder how she is going to like her new digs after sentencing?

 

[Ellery84]

I hope she is OK, odd she wasn't there if she wasn't.

She may work primarily in Melbourne, and couldn’t get back to Morwell (which takes about 1 hr 40 - 2 hour’s drive from Melbourne) within like the 30 minutes notice that was given for a 2:15pm verdict?

Not sure. IMO

 

[MrJ]

chilling. profiler on murder down under said that with death caps 6-8 hours pass with no symptoms. no body disposal required when the victims all go to their own homes.

 

[iamshadow21]

chilling. profiler on murder down under said that with death caps 6-8 hours pass with no symptoms. no body disposal required when the victims all go to their own homes.

It's like a time delay on a bomb. Bombers and poisoners have a lot in common, IMO.

 

[JBowie]

These issues about an alleged clean past and no motive when motive is indicated from past events charged but denied into evidence by the court, put to the jury by highly-skilled defence barristers, had the potential to insert invalid doubts in juror's minds, and cause a miscarriage of justice for the victims, and the potential acquittal of highly dangerous individuals back into society.

I appreciate the point you are making but I agree with the principle of previous records being withheld until the sentencing stage (if proven guilty).

For fairness, each case must be tried on its merits based on the evidence.

Without that rule, anyone could be fitted-up for a crime (as police have been known to do) and all the prosecution would have to do is continually refer to past convictions to persuade the jury that the current charges are just another round of criminality from this person. Meanwhile, the real perpetrator gets away with the crime.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

If you’re living in Australia there’ll be a Channel 9 documentary on the case at 7:30 AEST about 19 minutes from now

The female FBI profiler on this show is so good.

 

[katydid23]

RSBM

A third former colleague said during her time at Air Services, Erin would call into the air traffic control centre pretending to be another worker and say they were sick.

They thought it was part of a plan Erin had to pick up lucrative shifts covering the sick leave of others.

Another remembers Erin giggling in a corner of the room when a confused air traffic controller was being quizzed by her bosses, who asked: "Why are you here? Didn't you call in sick?"

They suspect Erin was behind a phone call to the bosses earlier that day, as a prank.



Am I the only one who is beginning to wonder if possibly Juror No 84 was set up? Perhaps by one of her flying monkeys?JMOO

"Am I the only one who is beginning to wonder if possibly Juror No 84 was set up? Perhaps by one of her flying monkeys?JMOO"

Oh wow, that does make sense.

Maybe #84 looked or reacted in some way that made EP and her friends concerned that he would not believe her? So one of them called in an anonymous incident report that he had talked to the about the trial?