GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[nhmemorymaker]

A simple question like "did the lady have a beard?" might be enough to clear up the matter ... for the police.

exactly. With the way he looked in the picture going off to jail.... i see no way he could have looked to be a female.
Why aren't we focusing in on that relative in the car? For starters, anyway.

 

[peanutJelly]

This was by all accounts a close knit insular community, not inclined to engage with authorities. Could someone have found out, looked after her and cleaned her up while trying to convince TK to give her up without giving himself up? Or was planning a way to get her out away from him? Hard for them to come forward now, especially if averse to authorities anyway (maybe with children of her own they don’t want to lose)

 

[Andreee]

exactly. With the way he looked in the picture going off to jail.... i see no way he could have looked to be a female.
Why aren't we focusing in on that relative in the car? For starters, anyway.

Agreed, I think it is nonsensical to think CS could be fooled by the perp in disguise.

 

[Ytho]

Is it possible police knew this in the early days that he was there bringing pot and rid him off as ok he was there harmless pot deal let's move on, as his phone pinged and he wasn't an interest until the 18th day when they pounced on him

Yes true, good point, though I was of the understanding his phone ping was discovered closer to the day of finding her and the main reason they did. If they’d known about his presence there earlier in the investigation why the sudden interest in his phone pinging at a later discovery.
Again, IMO just speculating. IF he was delivering drugs that night, would that lean towards a more opportunistic motivation VS stalking.

 

[Angeline]

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I wonder (JMO) then if this could have anything to do with the 6am post. Comes home from the blowholes with a girl, calls a relative / friend “I need your help with something, come over” (or relative / friend was living with TK at the time), he was then concerned the ‘woman’ might dob him in. He became paranoid and as part of the paranoia posted at 6am - I remember there being a line about ‘even if you are friends with my family, doesn’t mean we can be friends…’

JMO

Makes me think of this odd comment:

But he said his cousin greeted him at the shops and told him they "have to stick together now", which he thought was strange.

Alleged kidnapper had fake family on social media

 

[Marg944]

Tribal punishment, customary law & payback

Aboriginal tribal law is often seen as harsh and brutal, but it ensured order and discipline. Payback is the most known form of customary law. Payback is still practiced, conflicting with white law.
Payback is a formal and organised way of punishment and usually happens in a controlled way where onlookers restrain the participants from being overly zealous when penalties are determined. [2]
Before invasion payback addressed crimes such as stealing (items or women), dating someone from the wrong tribe, crossing cultural boundaries without asking for permission or perceived sorcery. [3][1] After invasion payback was given to settlers who had abducted and assaulted Aboriginal women and was often deadly. [4]
We tend to assume that tribal law and payback are things of the past but they are far from that.

Phill Moncrieff, an Aboriginal musician, explains that "payback can be done anytime 24/7. It has no respect or alliance with the white man's law," [5] a fact that is hardly recognised. "Payback culture will always be unhindered by the white man's laws in some areas of Australia," he says.

"Quite often we have seen the white man's laws become useless and inadequate in handing out exact justice. So Ancient Law takes over. It is still alive in our country and we still manage it the way we have done for 40,000 years."

'Singing' a person
Being 'sung', sometimes also referred to as 'pointing the bone', is an Aboriginal custom where a powerful elder is believed to have the power to call on spirits to do ill to another Aboriginal person alleged to have committed a crime or otherwise abused their culture.

Singing a person might still be practices today. Paul Clune recounts an incident in Perth: [9]

"In March this year [2016] I sat and intermittently spoke for two hours beside a tribal man at Royal Perth Hospital who'd flown to Perth from Broome that morning. He was there because his 40-year-old large, long, tribal initiation chest scars had inexplicably and suddenly erupted into festering pus wounds.

"He and I gently acknowledged that he had more than likely been sung by a Featherfoot."

A 'featherfoot' (or kurdaitcha man in Arrernte) denotes a sorcerer in Aboriginal spirituality.


Source: Tribal punishment, customary law & payback - Creative Spirits, retrieved from Tribal punishment, customary law & payback

 

[Angeline]

My 2 cents - I don't believe the woman was TK. My first thought was that CS would have clicked that it was him.

TK could have brought her in late at night when the neighbours weren't looking.

It's possible police know who it was, and need people to speak up so that they have more evidence for their case.

 

[Deleted member 296843]

I haven't posted the link about the school friend saying no unusual behaviour at school as of the victoms name in the link


The thing I find most fascinating is a school class mate he was described as normal, he seemed to hav a great upbringing the way the grandma who took him in talked about him gift from God beautifully cury black hair boy she is saying this towards the end of her life so it sounds as if she absolutely loved him, he has been given a goverment housing obviously has a centerlink income, he has been given everything in life, not every child who is adopted turns out to steel other peoples children, he is even dealing pot for extra cash, has a new car, isn't bothering to hav the expense or bother of a licens or rego, everyone seems to like him apart from the person who done the course who said he is a odd ball, he is know to ask for a smoke, the online world started long before grandma's passing, he isn't that ashamed of his dolls happy to show painter and pass it off as his daughters room he could of easily said its for his 6yr old neice to play with when he looks after her, he has every doll that he wanted Bratz didn't come out until he was 16 so it wasn't as if he was a little boy and missed out on the experience of playing with bratz dolls as he was a boy, when Bratz came out he was 16 old enough to legally live on his own, from the way he types his social media its been mentioned that he has great grammar its obvious he had an education sounding like he had studied beyond year 10 by the way his grammar is, he is obviously close to the 6yr old neice and the aunty or who ever the woman he was driving at that time of night, i think he has people in his life, all the people in the shops know who he is, the neighbour says he is a good neighbour and chases off anyone who would try brake in while he is working, from the outside looking in i can't see anything popping out to give this guy an excuse for why he would take someone's child he seems to hav had it better than alot of others hav it

 

[Estelle]

IMO My take on all this is:

• Some of you make me wonder if you think that TK became the wolf in the Little Red Riding Hood tale
• Could TK have fitted into his Granny's clothes as he was described as a "big fat guy"
• CS is too smart to think he was a woman
• I doubt that masks were being worn in Carnarvon
• I think that TK made an impulsive move to abduct CS and when he got home, wondered what he had done so he rang one of his aunties to come over to help him. I predict this person brought a 6 year old over to play with CS too. (Were they the two females in the car when TK was arrested? Was TK driving them home then?)

 

[bearbear]

could tk have multiple personality disorder, played out with all his fb profiles?
and female tk mothered and cared for cs?

sorry bgirl88 i posted this before reading throught the thread, youve already said this

 

[bearbear]

I wouldn’t look into how he got the money for a new car too much. I have been lead to believe that the government will heavily subsidise such purchases. I used to see indigenous folk in similar communities driving around in $50k - $100k vehicles which made my head spin a bit. When I asked the locals about it I was told that they only have to make the first few repayments and the government will cover the rest of it. Just word of mouth but it’s the only reasonable explanation.

i think he bought the car after his grandmother died, she may have left a bit of money to him?

 

[styzrz]

i think he bought the car after his grandmother died, she may have left a bit of money to him?

Possibly, but I’d say he would have used that for those first few repayments if anything.
He’d be mad to drop the whole amount on it when such subsidies are available.

 

[Estelle]

Possibly, but I’d say he would have used that for those first few repayments if anything.
He’d be mad to drop the whole amount on it when such subsidies are available.

...and bought more dolls with the rest of the money????

 

[Deleted member 296843]

Possibly, but I’d say he would have used that for those first few repayments if anything.
He’d be mad to drop the whole amount on it when such subsidies are available.

Strange that he got any subsidies without a licence, you would think you atleast need a learners permit, it appears he was well looked after and well educated but didn't car about things like a licence

I think it's possible that this 'woman' who brushed her hair (based on the info being factual), could have been the tip off. Maybe she coordinated with police to get him out of the house, then the Police pulled the car over, arrested him and then they went and got <modnsip>.

Just a theory...

Thats exactly what I thought but I still wonder why risk a chase with others in the car, why not catch him on the road before he picks up aunty or after he drops off aunty, I know its more a risk of a major chase while alone but still a risk of aunty and possibly a 6yr old as its not confined but two females are confirmed what a risk to their lifes, I think its possible that they may hav walked to his house and asked for a lift as instructed by police, if that was the case why not do a road bock on the street, maby to dangerous for the near by houses, but having them walk to the house alone what a risk of the woman letting him know hey cops are onto you maby the woman were implicated and this was their get out of jail free card so the police trust they will do as instructed

 

[smucklecrumble]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10174387/-Bombshell-missing-Australian-girl-claims-woman-looked-WA.html

link snipped to remove victims name. Not sure if this article was posted

 

[Deleted member 296843]

What a danger to catch him on the road when they could of been hiding in the backyard and front yard and pounced on him as soon as he stepped away from the front door

 

[bearbear]

theres a photo of tk unshaven, in a daily mail article, where he could pass as a woman, not sure i can link it though without my post being deleted?
he was hairy and bearded when caught though

 

[bearbear]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10174387/-Bombshell-missing-Australian-girl-claims-woman-looked-WA.html

link snipped to remove victims name. Not sure if this article was posted[/QUOTE

this is the link with the photo at the bottom of the page photo of tk unshaven

 

[Ozgal]

IMO My take on all this is:

• Some of you make me wonder if you think that TK became the wolf in the Little Red Riding Hood tale
• Could TK have fitted into his Granny's clothes as he was described as a "big fat guy"
• CS is too smart to think he was a woman
• I doubt that masks were being worn in Carnarvon
• I think that TK made an impulsive move to abduct CS and when he got home, wondered what he had done so he rang one of his aunties to come over to help him. I predict this person brought a 6 year old over to play with CS too. (Were they the two females in the car when TK was arrested? Was TK driving them home then?)

IMO it isn't hard to go buy female clothes that fitted TK. People dress up in drag day in day out, they look realistic. TK followed a person on SM that did just this, is a male and dresses up in female costumes.

CS is only 4yrs old, yes she appears smart, but a child of that age could be led to believe that it was a female, but in fact was a male. Especially given if that child has never seen drag in their life IMO

 

[Reneemaree88]

The Bratz DeLuca profile also liked dozens of different pages about dolls, mermaids, Disney princesses and cosplay.

The daily mail did report he was into cosplay.

I’m wondering about either a pedo ring or the neighbour in the other duplex.