GUILTY Australia - Terence Darrell Kelly, charged w/ abduction of 4 y.o., WA, 16 Oct 2021 #2

[Marg944]

Found interesting Western Australian Prisoner Handbook, which is a Guide to Prisoners rights, provided by Legal Aid, Western Australia. Is rather lengthy reading, but does give an insight into Western Australian Prison rules.

Basics 1. Minimum entitlements Your minimum entitlements in prison include the following: ʭ to be provided with food of nutritional value at the usual hours that is adequate for your health and well being ʭ to have time out of cell hours and access to recreation facilities and leisure programs ʭ to receive visitors ʭ to access a telephone ʭ to send and receive mail ʭ to have access to the materials necessary to keep regularly informed of news and current affairs ʭ to keep property in your cell ʭ to have access to a library and writing material ʭ to practice religion or spiritual beliefs, and ʭ to a certain standard of personal hygiene.
2. Food You are to be provided with nutritionally balanced and varied meals that meet your individual dietary needs. You must be provided with adequately nutritious and healthy food, and fresh drinking water to maintain health and wellbeing. You should receive special food if you require it for medical reasons, or to meet established cultural or religious needs. 3. Religion When you get to prison you are given a chance to state your religion or denomination and have it noted. Subject to security, good order and management of the prison, you may: ʭ practise religious rites ʭ go to services in prison, and ʭ receive religious guidance and visits from a member of your religious denomination. 4. Health You are to be provided with access to appropriate health services and programs. You are entitled to access health programs appropriate to your age, gender and culture. The Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of the Department of Justice, Corrective Services (DJCS) must make sure that you get medical care and treatment. For more information see under the heading Health and medical treatment – assessment on page 35. 5. Health education Education and health awareness programs are available to you, including drug and alcohol programs. See under the heading Substance abuse or dependency on page 40.

https://www.legalaid.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/Prisoner_Handbook.pdf

 

[Estelle]

Daily Telegraph 9th November, 2021

Detective who saved CS returns to the house where he found the four-year-old girl as forensic attention turns to a car

A Mazda SUV was examined on Tuesday as police continue to gather evidence from the Carnarvon house, in Western Australia’s north, almost one week since the four-year-old girl was rescued.

After almost half an hour inside the house, he left the property but told the waiting media that he could not comment.He previously revealed police were looking into whether the accused man TDK had an accomplice.

Meanwhile, CS was seen at the local police station with her mother ES and stepfather JG on Tuesday. Photographs show CS flashing a big smile as she arrived back at Carnarvon Police Station at about 11am local time. Carried in her mother’s arms, the four-year-old was greeted by a detective who escorted the family inside. They stayed for a short time before leaving with what looked to be wrapped presents.

His house remains under police guard while forensic officers continue to work, and it is expected they will stay there for another week. On Monday, a white mobile phone was among the items seized. It follows the collection of a Bratz doll on Sunday and the examination of a bed frame on Saturday. Numerous other items have also been collected over several days.

Detective Blaine returned to Carnarvon from Perth on Monday and said investigators were looking at whether TK had an accomplice. “Our focus this week is for us to ascertain whether there was anyone else involved — that’s why we are still here,” he told reporters. “We just ask that if there was anyone that had any contact with TK — whether you saw him, whether you met him, or you spoke to him on the phone during the relevant period — to please make yourself known to police.”

Police have dismissed reports from other media outlets that a woman may have been involved in the abduction, saying investigations were still ongoing.

CS forensic police examine car | Daily Telegraph

 

[bearbear]

so just to be clear, if i just post an unopened link of a news story, do the victims and accused names still have to be deleted from the actual news story once its opened?
ive had a lot of posts deleted where i havent used any names, just links to msm?
and centred do you have the name of the publishing where they mention the occupants of tks car and the neighbour who saw a child in tks house please, ive been searching everywhere for it as also heard and saw it awhile ago, thanks

 

[sleepinoz]

Just a suggestion if you don't know how to hyperlink, just copy and paste the article's headline and remove any names not allowed. Also let everyone know which MSM it is from and the date of publication so others can find the article. That way the names don't show on WS but they will still be in the article when read.

Just a suggestion.

 

[peanutJelly]

And interesting , that she was 'given' TK... I am not sure what that means, whether , for example, a church gave him to her, a govt. org. gave him to her, his family did, .....

It was TKs mother I think who gave him to her, it was on the audio posted up thread

 

[HilaryHormone]

Surely WAPOL had some form of high powered tech (heat, movement and sound) that they could deploy near enough the property, to determine or listen out for whether a suspect/POI house, like the accused's, had someone small and alive inside.

You would think so, but that’s pretty sophisticated equipment for a small town police force. By all accounts, the detectives were shocked to find said child once they had forced entry.

 

[HilaryHormone]

re: a neighbour claimed to have seen a little girl when he went to ‘drop something off’ at TK’s house

One of the guys on the street said it to a reporter in a video interview. It was pretty much right after TK was arrested. I remember it, too.

Thank you, I was stumped as to why I couldn’t find reference to it.

 

[HilaryHormone]

On Monday, a white mobile phone was among the items seized. It follows the collection of a Bratz doll on Sunday and the examination of a bed frame on Saturday. Numerous other items have also been collected over several days.

Detective Blaine returned to Carnarvon from Perth on Monday and said investigators were looking at whether TK had an accomplice. “Our focus this week is for us to ascertain whether there was anyone else involved — that’s why we are still here,” he told reporters. “We just ask that if there was anyone that had any contact with TK — whether you saw him, whether you met him, or you spoke to him on the phone during the relevant period — to please make yourself known to police.”

Police have dismissed reports from other media outlets that a woman may have been involved in the abduction, saying investigations were still ongoing.

CS forensic police examine car | Daily Telegraph

Interesting, the claims RE a woman brushing C’s hair were allegedly made by someone ‘close to the investigation’. LE surely wouldn’t have released that info incase a potential suspect then fled, so I wonder if it was family/friends who tipped the media?

Assuming TK had his mobile on him at the time of arrest and that’s how LE tracked him, the seized phone (which I recall reading was ‘hidden’ in the house) IMO may have been used to maintain the intricate internet fantasy.

There is much speculation online around the doll room photos being ‘staged’ but I remember it being pointed out on previous threads that the bed frame in some photos is remarkably similar to one in the garden.

 

[peanutJelly]

A doll was seized from the home.

Pencils and crayons were also taken away.

Investigators last week revealed mobile phone data was used to help them crack the case and locate CS.

“So we put the phone data over number-plate recognition data, CCTV, witness accounts, forensics … and when you layer them on top of each other you solve crimes and - that is exactly what we have done here,” Deputy Commissioner Col Blanch told Sunrise.


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Have to say that stationary box looks quite well organised. Those plastic box organisers are to me a very ‘mum’ way of organising their children’s stuff

 

[Estelle]

Twist in CS case as alleged abductor's CAR becomes focus of the investigation – with police sifting through his phone data to look for a mystery woman after brave four-year-old made bombshell claim

• Forensic officers have combed the car of CS's alleged abductor for clues
• Two mobiles owned by man accused of her kidnapping have also been analysed
• Phone data to reveal who the alleged abductor has been in communication with
• Comes as CS told detectives a mystery woman was also present in the house
• Police are now scrambling to track down the unknown woman who 'dressed her'
• Local man TDK, 36, has been charged with kidnapping

Car of CS's alleged abductor becomes focus of investigation as officers scour phone records | Daily Mail Online

 

[Estelle]

Twist in CS case as alleged abductor's CAR becomes focus of the investigation – with police sifting through his phone data to look for a mystery woman after brave four-year-old made bombshell claim

• Forensic officers have combed the car of CS's alleged abductor for clues
• Two mobiles owned by man accused of her kidnapping have also been analysed
• Phone data to reveal who the alleged abductor has been in communication with
• Comes as CS told detectives a mystery woman was also present in the house
• Police are now scrambling to track down the unknown woman who 'dressed her'
• Local man TDK, 36, has been charged with kidnapping

Car of CS's alleged abductor becomes focus of investigation as officers scour phone records | Daily Mail Online

From above link:

Police paid particular attention to a silver Mazda SUV parked in the driveway of the rented duplex following suspicions a woman could be involved in CS's alleged abduction. Officers have combed through data from a mobile phone seized from TK with the records to reveal exactly who he contacted and when in the lead-up to CS's alleged kidnapping on October 16 and the days following. Police consider the mobile a vital piece of evidence in the ongoing investigation, with a second phone seized at TK's duplex also of interest to cops. Police have not yet established if TK acted alone in CS's alleged abduction, making the data from phones owned by the local man extremely important. The focus on TK's car and mobile phone records comes after CS told investigators a female would come to her accused kidnapper's house to 'look after her'

 

[Estelle]

What is difference between abduction and kidnapping?

Abduction is taking away of a child or person by deception or force from their home and family.

Kidnapping is defined by law as taking someone unwillingly and keeping them illegally imprisoned without their valid consent. Kidnapping is done with motive such as ransom or financial gain.

 

[Okapi]

It’s interesting that CS was wide awake in the wee small hours when she was rescued, suggesting that she may have been adjusted onto ‘TK time’ in those 18 days. Also remembering how she fell asleep during her parental reunion. It would certainly be easier to conceal a child if she was sleeping when most of the neighbourhood was active. Just my own notions.

 

[Estelle]

From above link:

Police paid particular attention to a silver Mazda SUV parked in the driveway of the rented duplex following suspicions a woman could be involved in CS's alleged abduction. Officers have combed through data from a mobile phone seized from TK with the records to reveal exactly who he contacted and when in the lead-up to CS's alleged kidnapping on October 16 and the days following. Police consider the mobile a vital piece of evidence in the ongoing investigation, with a second phone seized at TK's duplex also of interest to cops. Police have not yet established if TK acted alone in CS's alleged abduction, making the data from phones owned by the local man extremely important. The focus on TK's car and mobile phone records comes after CS told investigators a female would come to her accused kidnapper's house to 'look after her'

BBM ".......suspicions a woman could be involved in CS's alleged abduction".

Could this mean that this suspicious woman may have also been with TK at the campground, used her car or was sitting in the car, for example, when he abducted CS?

Abduction is taking away of a child or person by deception or force from their home and family.

 

[JosieJo]

I'd imagine the police are fairly certain who this woman is if it's true ..I'd imagine if there is such a person it would be someone with a very troubled lifestyle maybe someone with severe mental health problems or someone he has "something on" maybe drugs related

 

[Officer Dibble]

With what is slowly being revealed about TK’s upbringing I still stand by my original thoughts that he developed an attachment disorder from a young age. Drug addicted parent, removed from mothers care at a young age, and it has been reported that TK had few friends and islolated himself after the death of his grandmother, this ties into my own opinion that he may have developed an avoidant personality disorder, social anxiety also shown by his outburst in the courtroom.

Anxiety manifests as rage when someone is in a situation they cannot control, it initiates a ‘fight or flight’ response. With TK in custody he cannot escape the situation or ‘flight’ so his automatic response is to ‘fight’, to shout and disobey orders. The head banging incident(s) also reflect this, when one is in a situation where they cannot project their rage onto another person, where their shouting and raging isn’t being given attention, they sometimes inflict the anger upon themselves.

If you’ve ever experienced the fight or flight response in an extremely stressful situation you will know that you feel out of control, out of body almost, you cannot cope with not having control over the situation, when someone also has OCD tendencies (keeping dolls in order, groomed, sticking to a daily routine that cannot change) being taken into custody will also set off anxiety about their home, who’s going through their belongings? Who’s taking care of the dolls? Who is messing up his collections?.. without learned techniques to calm oneself and control the emotion, a person can become volatile and unruly.

When you live an isolated life, your home, possessions and your daily routine become the most important things. Your home becomes your safe ‘bubble’ that is yours, it is the one thing you can control when everything in life seems to be falling apart, you have your rituals. TK had his dolls that he could organise and interact with in his own way. That became part of him as our possessions often do, they are part of his identity. And now he is suddenly without his dolls, and his home. He may be feeling vulnerable, angry, desperate and also embarrassed that this side of his identity is being exposed to the world. He has lost his routine and is forced to follow a new structure to his day that is nothing like he knew before.

When you add all of these together you end up with a very volatile and dangerous person, who without psychological help will struggle to adjust to this change in his surroundings.

I must add that as I was writing this I was thinking of how desperate and frightened CS must have been, she too was ripped from her safe surroundings and forced to comply with a new structure to her life for those 18 days and as a child she would have been terrified even if there were toys for her to play with, she would have wanted her mum. My observations above in no way should be seen as minimising what CS suffered through. I’m just trying to understand more about TK as new information about him is released, trying to work him out and understand the possible triggers for his behaviour.

This is all MOO, I am not a professional.

Great post!

 

[Angeline]

I'm assuming TK had a mobile phone on him when he was arrested and the police have found a second phone in his house. It's either a spare phone (I keep an old phone as back up) or a "trap phone" - something that drug dealers supposedly use.

 

[Estelle]

I am very confused about these cars so please enlighten me. I am not into cars (or dolls for that matter)

Is the car TK was arrested in the Silver Mazda 5? Do Mazda 5's only come in an SUV? This is the one in TK's driveway now which police are examining.

Was the one he was arrested in a sedan? Is it a different shape to the SUV?

Which car did TK use at the campsite?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cs...ment-police-catch-alleged-kidnapper-c-4437645

 

[Officer Dibble]

Well then....CS: Bombshell as missing Australian girl claims a woman looked after her in WA | Daily Mail Online

Was it the Perp dressed as a woman? Edited to add MOO JMO

 

[Officer Dibble]

Surely IF anyone else was involved they should be able to be tracked down fairly easily, it's not like TDK had a heap of friends, and an even shorter list he actually let inside. Unless he's done a Norman Bates and dressed up in his Aunty's old clothes?

Yep this was my thought about doing a Norman Bates too. JMO MOO.