Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019 #2

[Ann764]

No there is more to it but I don’t think it was some big gloriously made up plan I think he came in to contact with some shady characters . I don’t think he was looking for part or drugs just his hostel. They took him on a wild goose chase . And accidentally or not something happened at CC . As rocket333 stated it’s so bizzar that guys belongings are all as he left them. That’s unthinkable. I think those boys and he need a big shake up .

Oh you’re giving up and you the one who’s on the secent with me that camp bomb was stellar .

 

[SouthAussie]

Someone asked me about my thoughts on this case today, and what I think at the moment is ...

Theo left Cheeky Monkeys with the intention of walking the beach back to the hostel, perhaps to avoid the main street hype and trouble.
Theo encountered trouble at the park.
Theo tried to get away from the trouble by running through the bush.
Theo hid out and also walked for a while to avoid the trouble.
Theo then ran into a second lot of trouble, either from the initial trouble makers or another trouble maker.

That is a very broad description - and it won't describe things to everyone's satisfaction - but it seems the most likely scenario to me.

From there I don't know if Theo fell to his death trying to evade the trouble, or if something more nefarious happened to him.

 

[Ann764]

You’ll have to go back to about 49 for my final thoughts today

 

[Ann764]

Someone asked me about my thoughts on this case today, and what I think at the moment is ...

Theo left Cheeky Monkeys with the intention of walking the beach back to the hostel, perhaps to avoid the main street hype and trouble.
Theo encountered trouble at the park.
Theo tried to get away from the trouble by running through the bush.
Theo hid out and also walked for a while to avoid the trouble.
Theo then ran into a second lot of trouble, either from the initial trouble makers or another trouble maker.

That is a very broad description - and it won't describe things to everyone's satisfaction - but it seems the most likely scenario to me.

From there I don't know if Theo fell to his death trying to evade the trouble, or if something more nefarious happened to him.

48 sorry

 

[Ann764]

Yeah it’d be another cold case without the community and volunteers. To be fair, the police operate from a point of crime, and there’s been nothing to even hint at criminal activity occurring so far. Seems they are interpreting his disappearance as an accidental drowning and are awaiting the outcome of the coronial inquest or report. As much as we may object, if they’ve got no leads or reasons to pursue anything, what are they supposed to do if the higher ranks direct to pull up stumps?

I agree I feel like that a bit too. As there are so many more angles but it’s shelved. And Byron its schoolies now like they can’t catch their breathe.

 

[mussopossum]

Yeah it’d be another cold case without the community and volunteers. To be fair, the police operate from a point of crime, and there’s been nothing to even hint at criminal activity occurring so far. Seems they are interpreting his disappearance as an accidental drowning and are awaiting the outcome of the coronial inquest or report. As much as we may object, if they’ve got no leads or reasons to pursue anything, what are they supposed to do if the higher ranks direct to pull up stumps?

I think at this stage the only people who can confirm what the police have done / are doing are the police.

I have to agree Rocket, if the community and volunteers were not still active in this search we would be left to assume that Theo is just another number and a missing person with no answers.

Just like another case on the thread "William Tyrrell" much information was withheld over the years from MSM and the general public but police were still following up and working on the case in the background.

We are only left to assume that police are not doing anything I guess, we rely on MSM and inquests to deliver us answers or the family speaking out and providing updates.

I do have to comment on this though.
The number of hours every single day, each and every day that the majority of the volunteers are still putting in to help Theos family is commendable.

It makes me proud to be an Aussie.

 

[SouthAussie]

And as to why Theo had a couple of nonchalant messages with o/s people that night ... I can understand that, even if he felt somewhat troubled at the time.

I know that when I was travelling o/s when younger, I ran into a couple of spots of scary stuff. I didn't tell anyone at home. I got out of it all okay, and there was no point in worrying them.

 

[Rocket333]

I have to say that Theo's disappearance was referred very (relatively) quickly for a coronial inquest. Definitely an indication and presumption of death.

As we know, the good thing about an inquest is that the Coroner can compel people to speak.
It is also means a complete police brief will be prepared, and every detail will be put into that. Then a Coroner's Report will be produced, and much more will come to light about the investigation. That may answer (eventually) some of the many questions that people have.

It has been referred incredibly fast. William Tyrell’s took around 5 years, and Daniel Morcombe’s about 15 years. Why would Theo’s be happening so soon? The police must dread these reports, and you can imagine that this one won’t be entirely favourable towards their efforts. I still can’t quite let WU off the hook for the delay in acting. Yeah it’s a busy backpackers, but still.

 

[Ann764]

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And as to why Theo had a couple of nonchalant messages with o/s people ... I can understand that, even if he felt somewhat troubled at the time.

I know that when I was travelling o/s when younger, I ran into a couple of spots of scary stuff. I didn't tell anyone at home. I got out of it all okay, and there was no point in worrying them.

don’t know I reckon the other shared a pie which they stash up in that vine area hence 5 min looking around for it. Then while they wound up again he got on his phone. Asked if they would take him back hostel started heading straight up strap hill behind he didn’t totally trust them went to check phone . The grabbed it . Scuffle he falls to death

 

[Ann764]

It has been referred incredibly fast. William Tyrell’s took around 5 years, and Daniel Morcombe’s about 15 years. Why would Theo’s be happening so soon? The police must dread these reports, and you can imagine that this one won’t be entirely favourable towards their efforts. I still can’t quite let WU off the hook for the delay in acting. Yeah it’s a busy backpackers, but still.

Yeah it’s not right . I’ve felt uneasy about the whole thing. To be honest it’s just been a really weird case.

 

[Ann764]

It has been referred incredibly fast. William Tyrell’s took around 5 years, and Daniel Morcombe’s about 15 years. Why would Theo’s be happening so soon? The police must dread these reports, and you can imagine that this one won’t be entirely favourable towards their efforts. I still can’t quite let WU off the hook for the delay in acting. Yeah it’s a busy backpackers, but still.

The case was shelved so quick it was like the put all these resources in to it the shut it down . Perhaps property prices pressure. Tourism who knows. Bull

 

[Rocket333]

Missing Theo referred to Coroner

“The coroner’s court website says the police officer in charge of a missing person investigation “must report the matter to the Coroner once they are satisfied that no further inquiries can be made as to whether a missing person is alive or deceased”.

“This should occur as soon as the investigator is of the belief that the missing person is now deceased,” the website says. “It presents us with the opportunity for much-needed expertise, insight and a fresh perspective and we sincerely welcome the participation of the Coroner.“

NoCookies | The Australian

 

[Ann764]

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don’t know I reckon the other shared a pie which they stash up in that vine area hence 5 min looking around for it. Then while they wound up again he got on his phone. Asked if they would take him back hostel started heading straight up strap hill behind he didn’t totally trust them went to check phone . The grabbed it . Scuffle he falls to death

But there is something about that campsite at the front that doesn’t sit right . That’s really a key I think

 

[SouthAussie]

It has been referred incredibly fast. William Tyrell’s took around 5 years, and Daniel Morcombe’s about 15 years. Why would Theo’s be happening so soon? The police must dread these reports, and you can imagine that this one won’t be entirely favourable towards their efforts. I still can’t quite let WU off the hook for the delay in acting. Yeah it’s a busy backpackers, but still.

Theo had incredibly bad luck that night, that's for sure. In the same way that William Tyrrell had incredibly bad luck on the morning that he was abducted.

With Theo, first getting booted from Cheeky Monkeys.
Then running into whatever trouble he ran into.
Then his demise.
Then his buddy not noticing he was missing (although backpackers come and go, so I can understand that).
Then Wake Up not checking his room when he was meant to have been checked out already.

 

[Ann764]

“The coroner’s court website says the police officer in charge of a missing person investigation “must report the matter to the Coroner once they are satisfied that no further inquiries can be made as to whether a missing person is alive or deceased”.

“This should occur as soon as the investigator is of the belief that the missing person is now deceased,” the website says.”

NoCookies | The Australian

Property prices are the highest in Australia in Byron bay . Lot of pressure. That’s probably your answer. Shut it down . Keep the economy and tourism booming

 

[Ann764]

Following Byron Bay, in terms of Australia's most expensive cities, are Sydney and Kiama at number two and three respectively. Kiama has an outright home ownership rate of an incredibly high 46 per cent and its population growth of last year saw 68 per cent come from Australians relocating from a different city.May 23, 2019

 

[SouthAussie]

Missing Theo referred to Coroner

“The coroner’s court website says the police officer in charge of a missing person investigation “must report the matter to the Coroner once they are satisfied that no further inquiries can be made as to whether a missing person is alive or deceased”.

“This should occur as soon as the investigator is of the belief that the missing person is now deceased,” the website says. “It presents us with the opportunity for much-needed expertise, insight and a fresh perspective and we sincerely welcome the participation of the Coroner.“

NoCookies | The Australian

Yes, the case was referred to the Coroner accurately and timely ... my opinion after following quite a lot of cases that have had Coronial Inquests.

When there is nothing more they can investigate, and when the person is considered deceased, it must be referred to the Coroner.
It must be referred within one year of a person going missing anyway - if the person is considered deceased - even if the case is actively ongoing.

 

[Ann764]

Sad world!!!

 

[Rocket333]

But there is something about that campsite at the front that doesn’t sit right . That’s really a key I think

Totally agree. The location on the beach submerged in a ditch and at the end of that private bush track, the newness of the ropes (indicating purchased recently and not scavaged), the disappearance of the occupant and the untouched campsite. Big red flag weird.

 

[Ann764]

Yes, the case was referred to the Coroner accurately and timely ... my opinion after following quite a lot of cases that have had Coronial Inquests.

When there is nothing more they can investigate, and when the person is considered deceased, it must be referred to the Coroner.
It must be referred within one year of a person going missing anyway, even if the case is actively ongoing.

Thad not completely correct that Kirra case after 4 years just got sent to the coroner